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Soulsad said:
I hope you don't mind my jumping off of your post Syndi.
When you mentioned the beautiful song 'CALLING ALL ANGELS', I suddenly realized what song fit my feelings for our precious 'Katiecoolady';. It's 'SHE'S AN EAGLE WHEN SHE FLIES'. Thank you
Syndi for finally helping me to snag the song from my memory.

Though you say you aren't the religious sort, please let me send you thoughts and wishes for sweet Peace.

EAGLE WHEN SHE FLIES. (Dedicated to my MOM) - YouTube

Bless Your Hearts! View attachment 34372
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:heartbeat:Thank you so much Soulsad. That was beautiful. I've never heard that before. Thanks for sharing and thanks for sending me your kind thoughts and wishes. XO
 
katiecoolady said:
I talked to Beth today on the phone as she was literally sitting on the plane waiting for take off. She was in an exit row and yes she did set down the phone so I could partake in the "exit row instructions". :floorlaugh:

Anyway, she has such an open mind. I discussed with her my talk with AZLawyer last night and guess what? She wants to talk with her. So, there's that. ;)

AZLawyer has been a dogged researcher in the DP appeals process in her career so this is really her thing. I trust her more than anybody (and everybody knows how I worship at the Church of BK) on this.
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Is it not pathetic and sad that I'm all depressed over here at the thought of never again turning on my tv and seeing Beth Karas covering a trial? :cry: She is absolutely the best! I sure hope we see her again soon.
 
beach said:
I bumped 3 threads that I found real quick until I can get home, which may be quite a bit later. :)

On the Computer Forensics thread, start at the end and work your way back. Fantastic sleuthing thread but has about 3 years worth of posts.
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:tyou:

I do remember hearing about this in the news. I had no clue that it was found by our very own AZ Lawyer! Awesome.

Hey AZ: :yourock:
 
LambChop said:
Contrary to what Jodi claims I believe the 80,000 text messages between the two tells us they WERE NOT together as much as Jodi would like us to believe. With that many messages she wanted to know where he was, who he was with and what he was doing at all times.
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...and she just HAD to be one of the first people to comment on his blog.
 
I thought it very weird that Daryl didn't testify for Jodi. Then when he was interviewed he was allowed to say whatever he wanted without Juan to question him. I thought at the time ''who is he talking to, the jury can't hear this?'' Is it just coincidence that the foreman repeated DB's assertion that JA was totally changed by TA, Mormanism, PPL & lived a blameless life before then? This is not what the jury was told, they were told about her hitting her Mum, not finishing high school, moving in with a boy at a very young age & so on.
 
My3Sons said:
Is it not pathetic and sad that I'm all depressed over here at the thought of never again turning on my tv and seeing Beth Karas covering a trial? :cry: She is absolutely the best! I sure hope we see her again soon.
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She has always been my favorite! Beth deserves her own show, love her!!!!
 
shelley921 said:
someone else posted that the judge got emotional for JODI at the end there- and that she was sympathetic to JODI. i'm not sure what I think.
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I think she was emotional for the jury. She knows what they had been through and that they were disappointed with the hung jury.
 
katiecoolady said:
I seriously seriously seriously and SERIOUSLY as in seriously doubt that.

As in H E double chopsticks no, not in a million years.

I've heard some descriptions of some of those in chambers meetings and imo, no sympathy there.
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I truly believe JSS was totally exhausted and was so disappointed that she would have to continue to absorb JA's aura for another few weeks....who wants to hear her bs again!!?? That is why JSS seemed to choke up when talking to the jurors (IMO). I just hope she makes Wilmott and Nurmi continue as JA's attorneys...we all know they don't want to have to deal with her for the next round...it will be their just reward. :scared:
 
beach said:
Fruity, Bessie forwarded me your request. I'll hook you up as soon as I finish up the family cookout and get home.
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Thank you so much, Bessie and Beach. Both of you are so helpful, it's much appreciated.
 
fruity said:
Updating with KCL's observations.

Making some changes to the list, be gentle with me. Thanks TXPro, My3Sons and Katiecoolady!!!

I've started making a juror descriptions post so that it can be copied over to the "Jurors Speak Out" thread when it is opened.

If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.

So far we have heard from Tara Kelley, Bill Zervakos, Carol Gosselink, Diane Schwartz and Daniel Gibb. I think I'm missing someone?? Meliha Omanovic said she would speak out after the trial finishes.

Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.


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Juror No. 1 - Church Lady

She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

Juror No. 2 - Trump

He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.

I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.

Juror No. 3 - Housewife

She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.

Juror No. 4 - Grandpa

He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.

I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.

Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.

Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
MY INPUT - SHE HAS VERIFIED VOTED DEATH.
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.

She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes

Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.
Mouthed 'I'm so sorry' to the Alexander family after the mistrial.

Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd

He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.

I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.

Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.

He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson

He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.

This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.

Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink

She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.

Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.

Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed

He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.

Juror No. 12 - Neil

He is a white male in his 40s.

I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".

He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.

Juror No. 13 - Wrestler

He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).

He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.

Juror No. 14 - CPA

He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror

He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?

Juror No. 16 - Maureen
MY INPUT - HAS VERIFIED VOTED DEATH
She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.

I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.

Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.

She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.

Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos

He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.

His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he has some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.
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This is for someone who asked me how I got to the conclusion with 1. Church Lady and 3. Housewife:
I got this list from Fruity last night, who made it from KCL and other inside court observers:

I'm just talking about the women in actual deliberations...there were only 4....we know 6. Diane has spoken out for Death, and 16. Maureen (don't know real name) also spoken out for Death. So that only leaves 2 women undetermined...1. Church lady, 3. Housewife.

If there were really 4 for Life...we know one of those was Jury Foreman, no. 18. Juror 6 said there was no gender trending when asked about the 4 who voted life. I dont knwo what that means, but means at least 1 had to be female. So it had to be either 1. churchlady or 3. housewife, or it could be both of those.
 
Please feel free to add any observations, links or interviews!!
A thread about the jurors will be made in a few days and I'm hoping to post this in it.

Can I please ask that someone else keeps a copy of this, so that I don't have to pester the mods if a thread is closed while I'm sleeping again? :lol:

Thank you Bessie, for sending it to me after I couldn't access it, and thank you Beach for sending it to my email. I figure if we have a few copies floating around it's for the best.


If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.


Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.


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Juror No. 1 - Church Lady

She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

Juror No. 2 - Trump

He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.

I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.

Juror No. 3 - Housewife
Was crying when mistrial was announced.

She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.

Juror No. 4 - Grandpa

He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.

I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.

Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.
Jodi Arias Trial: Juror 5 Meliha Omanovic says she was booted because of a joke - YouTube

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.

Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.
Was crying when mistrial was announced. Mouthed "I'm so sorry" to the Alexander family.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...5jodi-arias-juror-six-speaks-about-trial.html

http://www.azcentral.com/video/2411704415001

http://www.azcentral.com/video/2411843381001

She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes

Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.

Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd

He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.

I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.

Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51843800

He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson

He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.

This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.

Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/24/arias-jury-foreman/2359903/
(article has quote from Carol Gosselink, video of foreman is shown)

She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.

Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.

Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed

He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.

Juror No. 12 - Neil

He is a white male in his 40s.

I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".

He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.

Juror No. 13 - Wrestler
Identified himself as Kevin Spellman

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...an-marilou-allen-coogan-speak-out-about-trial
(video of Jurors 6, 13 and 16 speaking together)

He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).

He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.

Juror No. 14 - CPA

He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror

He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?

Juror No. 16 - Maureen
Identified herself as 52 year old Marilou Allen-Coogan
Was crying after mistrial was announced.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22428063/arias-juror-no-16-says-she-feels-relieved-satisfied

She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.

I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.

Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley
https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.

She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.

Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Jodi Arias Trial FOREMAN Interviewed on GMA after Deadlock | William Zervakos & Jodi Arias Hung Jury - YouTube

He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.

His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he has some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.
 
I haven't had a chance to catch up on anything since last night, so I've probably missed something in the past 18 hours. Have any others jurors spoken since Marilou, Kevin and Diane?
 
Closet_Sleuth said:
It was on page 95 of this thread.

http://samirsdad.tumblr.com/post/51364319325/the-executioner-with-the-public-face
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Wow thanks. I don't agree AT ALL with hate mail, etc.. But the public is free to comment and talk about what he said. I'm sorry he is getting hate mail, I really am. It's not right.

However, not everyone is sending hate mail. He seems to be saying ALL of us are bad b/c we are disagreeing with his dad. We can disagree in a peaceful way...that is our right. There is only a small small percentage of people who go so far as to send hate mail, etc.. He can't lump everyone into that category.

I have no doubt that his dad tried to do the right thing. But sometimes, no matter how much someone tries to deny their bias, it exists. He probaby wanst' even aware of it. It was back in his subconcious, and that subconcious oozes out in his comments. So the end result is that everyone is made aware of it, even though HE IS NOT AWARE OF IT. So I do feel bad for him, b/c he didn't even know his bias existed. However, just because someone is not aware of something and then others point it out, that doesn't make us bad people.
 
fruity said:
I haven't had a chance to catch up on anything since last night, so I've probably missed something in the past 18 hours. Have any others jurors spoken since Marilou, Kevin and Diane?
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I don't think so. there is a new segment with Juror 6 on azcentral, answering twitter questions.
 
Someone suggested we add their occupations, just out of interest. I can only remember 3 off the top of my head.

Juror 6, Diane Schwartz: Retired 911 operator.
Juror 13, Kevin Spellman: Banker.
Juror 16, Marilou Allen-Coogan: Nurse.
 
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