KC's Anniversary Reaction

[LeLe1953]

As a health care professional who has worked in many Florida prisons and jails, as well as Chatahootchee Forensics unit, may I just add: in Florida, there are only 2 possible defenses based on mental illness: NGRI and GBMI ( not guilty by reason of insanity and guilty but mentally ill) Both of these defenses are exceedingly difficult to obtain. Both require review of past behavior and proof of inability to cope with reality. With the overwhelming evidence of pings, texts,emails, photos, etc. in this case, this defendant could never provide that background. Any issues about post-traumatic stress syndrome or personality disorder are moot.

:clap::clap: ITA. Not to mention Cindy herself said KC never had any mental illness. It won't fly.

 

[hornswoggled]

On June 16 of this year, I think Casey will be annoyed, just as she was on June 16 last year.

 

[songline]

Chicago and Florida: two different places, dear AL.

I am confused, help me with your post please.
the case is in Florida, what about Chicago

 

[JBean]

I am confused, help me with your post please.
the case is in Florida, what about Chicago

AL practices and went to school in Chicago.

 

[Mackenzie]

I don't know if this has been posted but they said KC is reading law books in her cell. Maybe she is reading up on how to get and insanity defense? And that's why she is behaving the way she is now? "dumb like a fox"......that's what I think............:furious:

 

[concentric]

Actually she is busy reading Law books. :crazy:
I personally don't want to hear her translating the law :crazy:
Maybe she wants to see what all those big words they are throwing around in court mean.

Aww, c'mon, for the cryin' out loud. In KC world she can be an attorney--she was an event planner y'know.

 

[essies]

Well, I wonder if she will want to watch the media's coverage of Caylee's memorial at JBP that RG is planning for 6/16? I'm sure it will be quite different from the A's memorial! This one will truly be about Caylee!:blowkiss:
I'm sure CA is trying her hardest to stop it!! Probably saying it will cause them too much anguish too!!

 

[songline]

I was just wondering. If KC were to be driven mad by this type of "reliving", would she be able to be tried in court as is or would she go into a mental institution until she was determined fit to be tried?

I believe that would be a reason to trial her as insane.
But she is a lier and a spinner, and so is her family.
So who knows if it would hold any water?

 

[Verité]

I believe that would be a reason to trial her as insane.
But she is a lier and a spinner, and so is her family.
So who knows if it would hold any water?

For such a defense to go forward, it would require that KC was "insane" (didn't know right from wrong, therefore unable to recognize that a crime was a wrongful act )
at the time of the commission of the crime. So she can "act" crazy now all she wants, if indeed she is acting, but this doesn't necessarily imply a recurrence
of insanity, rather it could be only a first time decompensation into psychosis.

 

[Verité]

She's a psychopath. She deliberately murdered her baby. Victims suffer trauma- she is not a victim of anything. She had no feelings for her child, not one iota. She didn't care at all and killed her and discarded her like so much trash. IMO, she's not losing any sleep whatsoever over murdering Caylee. And if any behaviour has changed, I attribute it all to histrionics and high drama- common to the A way of life and part of a sociopath's arsenal. It's just another way to manipulate.

Having been exposed to your fine logic and critical thinking in the past, elementary, I'd appreciate it if you could help us understand why/how you see KC choosing sleep
as a time to display an anniversary-type reaction, then icily deny to others that she was having such a reaction.

If someone has taught her how to feign shrieking and wailing during sleep, who would have coached her and where? A jail visitation room is hardly the place
for these type training sessions. Surely KC isn't as brilliant or cunning as Hannibal Lecter?

I'm not closed to the idea that KC may have a diagnosis of "antisocial personality disorder," or some other disorder with "sociopathic tendencies",
but it's my belief that even sociopaths have a subconscious mind, replete with the potential for triggering various types of sleep disturbances.

By the way, the notion of "histrionics" is associated with the diagnosis of "hysterical personality disorder" or "borderline personality disorder with hysterical features."
I don't think I've ever seen recorded (which is not to say it doesn't exist) a diagnosis of sociopathy with hysterical features. The two seem mutually exclusive
(i.e. the very notion of "hysteria" implies the capacity for massive repression, or literally burying conflicts in the mind so completely that they're not amenable to recall/treatment;
APD's by contrast do not repress but act out). Although, for me, "Buffalo Bill" in Silence of the Lambs approximates a diagnosis of APD with hysterical features, he's fictional.
If you think of any real-life characters who fit both sociopathy/hysterical diagnostic criteria, let me know. Thanks.

 

[MAMABEAR]

If I member right---this info came from NG and she got it from the Enquirer---or some rag like that. I don't see any "proof" that she did indeed scream or say Caylee's name. If it comes from a doc dump or in the news and where they heard this then I will think it is true. Just because maybe an inmate would tell of this story doesn't make it so. I really doubt KC acting like this.

I think it may be coming thru the defense. I would believe that fore I would believe a wacky mag. I can see the defense paying an inmate to go to the mag. with that info. Or maybe the defense is feeding this stuff the the mag.

The guards know if it is happening. Have we heard from a guard? I haven't seen it, so if anybody has, please point me to it. Just from what I have seen---looks like it might be a rumor.

 

[chastity]

If I member right---this info came from NG and she got it from the Enquirer---or some rag like that. I don't see any "proof" that she did indeed scream or say Caylee's name. If it comes from a doc dump or in the news and where they heard this then I will think it is true. Just because maybe an inmate would tell of this story doesn't make it so. I really doubt KC acting like this.

I think it may be coming thru the defense. I would believe that fore I would believe a wacky mag. I can see the defense paying an inmate to go to the mag. with that info. Or maybe the defense is feeding this stuff the the mag.

The guards know if it is happening. Have we heard from a guard? I haven't seen it, so if anybody has, please point me to it. Just from what I have seen---looks like it might be a rumor.

Bingo!!,ITA

 

[Verité]

For those who require empirical validation of KC's likely anniversary reaction, I can't advise how to satisfy that objective. Jail medical info is privileged information.
My initial post is equivocal about whether such a reaction did/did not/will occur, and leaves it up to the poster's judgment. I merely suggested the following:

"Please share your thoughts/reactions about the likelihood that KC has been and may continue to show an "anniversary reaction."
(NG says that there are those who believe KC is now just trying to fake insanity for a NGBRoI defense).

 

[Verité]

Aww, c'mon, for the cryin' out loud. In KC world she can be an attorney--she was an event planner y'know.

I love this post, and it bears repeating. . .specially for those who rely on science and facts and evidence and such, "for cryin' out loud"!

 

[MissJames]

For those who require empirical validation of KC's likely anniversary reaction, I can't advise how to satisfy that objective. Jail medical info is privileged information.
My initial post is equivocal about whether such a reaction did/did not/will occur, and leaves it up to the poster's judgment. I merely suggested the following:

"Please share your thoughts/reactions about the likelihood that KC has been and may continue to show an "anniversary reaction."
(NG says that there are those who believe KC is now just trying to fake insanity for a NGBRoI defense).

No,I don't think KC will have any type of anniversary reaction. She's pretty good at that.If she could go out and rent a movie with BF last June 16th,this year won't cause her any concern.Well,aside from the fact that she is in jail.

 

[Verité]

If I member right---this info came from NG and she got it from the Enquirer---or some rag like that. I don't see any "proof" that she did indeed scream or say Caylee's name. If it comes from a doc dump or in the news and where they heard this then I will think it is true. Just because maybe an inmate would tell of this story doesn't make it so. I really doubt KC acting like this.

I think it may be coming thru the defense. I would believe that fore I would believe a wacky mag. I can see the defense paying an inmate to go to the mag. with that info. Or maybe the defense is feeding this stuff the the mag.

The guards know if it is happening. Have we heard from a guard? I haven't seen it, so if anybody has, please point me to it. Just from what I have seen---looks like it might be a rumor.

Bold mine

Granted, I usually prefer my latest copy of The Economist, or JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), or The Atlantic, or one of my numerous other high-brow periodicals, but when it comes to getting the "facts" on the latest in the criminal justice system, I always reach for National Enquirer. I certainly found it to be way ahead
of the mainstream media during the OJ trial-- scooped 'em every time!

 

[MAMABEAR]

For those who require empirical validation of KC's likely anniversary reaction, I can't advise how to satisfy that objective. Jail medical info is privileged information.
My initial post is equivocal about whether such a reaction did/did not/will occur, and leaves it up to the poster's judgment. I merely suggested the following:

"Please share your thoughts/reactions about the likelihood that KC has been and may continue to show an "anniversary reaction."
(NG says that there are those who believe KC is now just trying to fake insanity for a NGBRoI defense).

I was sharing my thoughts. I think it's hog wash. I think it is likely that her defense team put that rumor out there so it would pave the road for such (insanity plea". I think if it happened---she was faking it---I think the girl would not have an anniversary reaction. This is my "thoughts" and my "opinion".

I think the day she killed Caylee was the day she moved on with her life. Now that she is in jail, she has moved on with her life. She changed her Mother's clothes to party girl clothes. She was fixin to change her KC clothes to ZG 22 but a premature murder got in the way---she had to change into other clothes so she chose Princess/Queen clothes. Was nice for awhile but boring so she has changed into her lawyer clothes.

She keeps on changing clothes. She will always change clothes. I believe once she changes clothes---she burns the old clothes and will continue to do so---for the rest of her life. When she moves on she leaves all the rest behind. I don't think that part will come out thru her sub-conciseness.

 

[celticthyme]

Respectfully snipped

I think the day she killed Caylee was the day she moved on with her life. Now that she is in jail, she has moved on with her life. . . .
She keeps on changing clothes. She will always change clothes. I believe once she changes clothes---she burns the old clothes and will continue to do so---for the rest of her life.

Well said Mamabear, You're probably right. I still do hope she's being haunted by her daughter. i just can't think of anything better :woohoo:

 

[Spangle]

Yes, indeedy! And that's part of the reason that I remain jaded, though I still am naive enough to believe that AL won't provide KC any coaching on mental disorders,
either by herself, a doc, or other. Here, I am cautious enuf to say that I still retain Doubts (yeah, with a capital D) about JB and what he may or may not do
to score a victory in this case.


(Please, if it is ever learned that AL coached KC in a mental defect defense, don't anyone tell me! Sometimes ignorance is bliss, doncha know!) :crosseyed:

IT wouldn't matter if AL taught her everything about mental defect defense. Someone posted earlier about what FL courts will accept. Basically, she would have to be totally "gone" for it to work. And she has all ready shown that she wasn't. Going 'crazy' at this point, wouldn't matter to her case. I just don't see her playing that game, just to delay the case.

 

[Verité]

IT wouldn't matter if AL taught her everything about mental defect defense. Someone posted earlier about what FL courts will accept. Basically, she would have to be totally "gone" for it to work. And she has all ready shown that she wasn't. Going 'crazy' at this point, wouldn't matter to her case. I just don't see her playing that game, just to delay the case.

ITA. She doesn't need to "play the crazy game" to get a trial delay when all that's required is AL marching into court with a motion.

Also, playing crazy now doesn't help with a crime committed a year ago when, according to most observers, she was not crazy.