KC's Anniversary Reaction

[cecybeans]

I don't claim to be a prolific Freud-quoter. In fact, I have only one: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar," which I'll borrow to say, Sometimes Freud's contributions
are just what they are. Enormous. In fact, there would be no "talking" therapy were it not for Freud who "discovered" it, and we (especially women) would be
reduced to looking for a Mesmer or some other skilled hypnotist to free us of our "wandering uteruses" which were causing us all to be hysteric.
So, in a backwards sort of way, Freud did do something for women. And he was the first to do a case study of what he called an "anniversary reaction."

I don't know what Freud said about idolatry. I doubt that more than a smattering of the faithful take Freud literally today, though no one diminishes his genius.
There are numerous others who supplanted Freud and formed their own traditions to influence mental health treatment as currently practiced, which is quite
a departure from Freud's method.

It's my understanding that near the end of his life, Freud already had immigrated to London (to live with his daughter Anna in a charming house which I have visited).
By then, he and Jung were rivals and had long since stopped talking.

You are so right about the debt we owe him and others of his time in advancing our concepts of the mind. I'm glad the intellectual atmosphere in Vienna created the right circumstances for his "discovery" of useful models in working with the mind, although I have no doubt they would have taken place eventually with others in his field; he was certainly a colorful figure however. (Although I've always thought the concept of penis-envy set us back a century or two, I certainly don't blame him for that, he was certainly a product of his times as well as his own upbringing and it was the largely male-dominated field of medicine who latched on to that little gem with the fervor of a child with a new toy).

And though talk therapy briefly went out of fashion, it is certainly making a comeback with some of the newer studies in neuroplasticity.

I am hoping, as I suspect you are as well, that any verifiable exhibition of the "anniversary reaction" phenomenon by KC proves more useful to the prosecution as the trial enfolds. I am just concerned it can and will be twisted into something that proves useful to the defense.

OT - how nice that must have been to visit the house he and Anna lived in that last year before he died. I imagine it must have made so many things you had read or heard become vivid and real!

 

[SoSueMe]

What could we call that. . .an ASR? (Anticipatory Stress Reaction)

Well yes....perhaps Ms. Lyons has read KC the right act as to her chances of acquittal in her case (ala none). Maybe KC is realizing she will never get out from behind bars?

 

[concentric]

Well yes....perhaps Ms. Lyons has read KC the right act as to her chances of acquittal in her case (ala none). Maybe KC is realizing she will never get out from behind bars?

I think KC very well parallels the character Mattie Walker (played by Kathleen Turner) in the movie: Body Heat. She consciously thinks that she got away with murder and will be getting a tan and sipping cocktails on the beach. But her subconscious may know the truth; making the realization that she is more likely Ned Racine, the one who in horror realizes he is imprisoned for life.

I think that the only one she is fooling is herself.

 

[Verité]

So what are you saying (English please)? OCD is not usually triggered by time cues or anniversary reactions, but what? Did I totally miss the boat here?

TIA

Correct. OCD is not dependent on "time of the year," and is not a type of "re-experiencing," but rather a behavioral compulsion as substitute for the
expression of the dreaded thought (buried in the mind). I've thought that KC's compulsive texting and cell-phonitis were not only to disguise the need
for contact with intimates, but also to avoid thinking aloud about reality.

 

[Verité]

Well yes....perhaps Ms. Lyons has read KC the right act as to her chances of acquittal in her case (ala none). Maybe KC is realizing she will never get out from behind bars?

Excellent point! I've suspected that JB has misled KC and her parents from the get go, letting them believe that she is calling the shots and he'll settle
for nothing less than acquittal. She was into raging a bit when the DP option was reinstalled, and may now be facing her own tomb-like existence, leading
to over-identification with Caylee's plight.

A random thought just appeared about how proud I am that the prosecution team, by contrast, has appeared so professional throughout. . .especially after
the mockery KC made of the early attempt by LE to help find her child.

 

[Verité]

. . .And though talk therapy briefly went out of fashion, it is certainly making a comeback with some of the newer studies in neuroplasticity. . . .

When did "talking therapy" go out of fashion? No one bothered to tell me ! :square:

 

[shgrbkr]

I doubt if KC will exhibit any reaction at all....I imagine it will be business as usual for her. She wants to appear that she knew nothing of what happened to Caylee. A vision of her bemoaning the fake kidnapping at any time is, to me, completely disgusting.

 

[Verité]

. . .I am hoping, as I suspect you are as well, that any verifiable exhibition of the "anniversary reaction" phenomenon by KC proves more useful to the prosecution as the trial enfolds. I am just concerned it can and will be twisted into something that proves useful to the defense. . . .

Back to thread topic, if I were a prosecutor (now there's a laugh for ya'!) :deal:, I'm not sure that I'd want to delve into the anniversary-type reactions which she may/may not
be having since she'd tend to be humanized for the jury who needs to remain as dispassionate as possible. . .except when presented with

(1) KC's massive fraud with LE (that one immediately biased my attention);
(2) 31 days without notification Caylee missing;
(3) car odor & decomp evidence;
(4) ugly coping photos;
(5) KC/defense cover-ups in locating Caylee remains;
(6) autopsy findings.

Regarding 1-5, I'd not want the Jury confronted with any tinge of doubt about KC's remorse/suffering (or lack thereof).

 

[Verité]

I just had a read of that hot National Enquirer which describes KC's recent behavior of alternating periods of lethargy and inactivity with bouts of
mania, such as hyperactivity which even included a dancing frenzy to her radio playing Lady GaGa's "Poker Face." Aha! So that's how she did her last
court appearance. . .she mesmerized herself during frenetic dancing to keep that "poker face" throughout the entire Court ordeal, and it worked (except
during momentary arousal at the sound of Caylee's name).

The NE also quotes a forensic psychiatrist as saying (from afar like the rest of us, I suppose) that her behavior sounds like that of a bipolar condition.
Coincidentally, the literature on anniversary reactions describes similar instances when an anniversary reaction has been marked by cylces of
despondency and mania, confused with bipolar.

In addition to her newest patron saint, Lady GaGa, the NE says that KC's problems in reality control include her saying that she hopes her trial occurs
in Miami, coz when it's finished, she wants to go right to the beach! She insists that "J" (her name for JB) is going to get her an acquittal. (I don't know
why she doesn't call him "hota" which is the Spanish phonetic sound for the letter J, coz he does have a Spanish name and surname.)

 

[OneLostGrl]

Correct. OCD is not dependent on "time of the year," and is not a type of "re-experiencing," but rather a behavioral compulsion as substitute for the
expression of the dreaded thought (buried in the mind). I've thought that KC's compulsive texting and cell-phonitis were not only to disguise the need
for contact with intimates, but also to avoid thinking aloud about reality.

ITA! Her own form of self soothing/medicating. (though obviously not "medicating" literally)

 

[OneLostGrl]

When did "talking therapy" go out of fashion? No one bothered to tell me ! :square:

HA- me me too apparently! And to think- all of those years I spent lying to therapists... uh--eer, I mean telling 'em mis-truths!

 

[OneLostGrl]

It took them 25 years to diagnose My daughter with bipolar.
She only went to therapy to get a good mark so she lied all the time, it took a number of fiasco's for them to get it.

SO the fact that most observers did not catch that she is off the wall I KNOW THAT CINDY DID.
I know that in my heart, because I used to beg Doctors that something is off and it is not just an attitude, or other behavioural issues. I SAW IT 16 years before it was diagnosed by a number of Doctors. Finally it was diagnosed. So yes even professionals can definitely miss on a diagnosis.

But mothers know and Cindy knew, it probably was not easy for CA to control KC, or maybe she used too much negative control, and just maybe KC un-nerved CA with many issues.
But KC did go to an old friend and told her she felt crazy a year before this all happened, and then when her friend followed up, KC said she is better and dismissed it. IT is on record.
KC and the rest of the "A"s did not just wake up one day crazy....no...it has been a family pattern for so long that they all thought each other is normal. :crazy:

As I have pointed out to you in the past, many lie in therapy.

Families like this know they are not "normal". Why do you think they work so hard to keep it secret?! And everyone thought the "secret" was that Lee was Caylee's daddy.

 

[Verité]

Something eerie just occurred here in the wee hours as I was searching old threads re the discrepant 6/8 vs. 6/15/08 Caylee visit with GGP in Mt. Dora.
I came across a link for a video where CA seems, to me, to be the most credible in describing her last visit with Caylee. There's a lack of the edgy,
abrasive defensiveness we've seen over the past several months as she's literally catching her breath to hold back the grief while she sits in Caylee's
room, immaculate and orderly and decorated to the nines. As she motions to the child's bed where Caylee slept, one of the family dogs suddenly runs
in, appearing woeful and lies in the spot where, I imagine, Caylee would have slept. Because I'm certain that animals perceive in ways which we
humans don't fully comprehend, at that moment I experienced the immediacy of the animal's grief over knowing that the child was gone, forever,
even though CA continued to talk on in the present tense, as if Caylee was still out there alive, somewhere. . . .

This video must have been made sometime early in the search for the child. Yet, if it already wasn't eerie enough, I looked to find the date on the page
of the Orlando Sentinel, and did a double take. It is dated today, 6-15-09. In beginning this post, I also made a Freudian slip and wrote the date
of Caylee's last visit as 6/15/09. During an anniversary reaction, time is blurred and the boundaries between past and present somehow dissolve,
then merge. I didn't anticipate that this was going to happen to me--today--but it did.



Here's the link for the video:
www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68894&page=5 (post #123 has link for video)

 

[Forensic fan]

I have no independent authority to confirm KC's behavior as reported on NG, and even suggested on another thread that if jail personnel observe any
such conduct, they'd likely hear "cruel/unusual" accusations from JB even if they only documented such behavior in a daily log/progress notes.

Didn't NG say the report came from the Nat'l Enquirer? I wouldn't put too much faith in it and I am surprised Nancy did, I thought she was above that.

 

[Verité]

NG is above what?

 

[Verité]

Bold mine

Granted, I usually prefer my latest copy of The Economist, or JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), or The Atlantic, or one of my numerous other high-brow periodicals, but when it comes to getting the "facts" on the latest in the criminal justice system, I always reach for National Enquirer. I certainly found it to be way ahead
of the mainstream media during the OJ trial-- scooped 'em every time!

'nuff said.

 

[Verité]

On the anniversary of the date Caylee was last seen, Neil Young says it best: Keep on Rockin' in the Free World

. . .I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world. . . .

. . .Keep on rockin' in the free world. . . .


[ www.azlyrics.com ]

 

[faefrost]

Didn't NG say the report came from the Nat'l Enquirer? I wouldn't put too much faith in it and I am surprised Nancy did, I thought she was above that.

As smarmy gossipy and generally evil as the Enquirer is, for the past fewyears they have been getting a reputation for surprising and often disturbing accuracy in what they print. While what they print is dirt, they do seem to be able to get at the real story these days, and not just spin. i almost hate myself for saying this, but these days if the enquirer is printing it, no matter how salacious, chances are it happened.

 

[drip~drop]

A couple days ago, on the Random Thoughts thread, Brini identified the phenomenon which often marks the anniversary of a traumatic event, as an "anniversary reaction."
I suggested in a post on that same thread, that this is a way the unconscious mind tries to rework and reconcile the conflict through a type of "reliving" of that event
because the trauma seems to remain etched in the brain/memory, sometimes beyond conscious recall, particularly in cases of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

I suggested that KC might be expected to experience such a reaction, to include awaking with night sweats, nightmares and other signs of severe stress (as she is reported
by TL to have done a year ago). I indicated that this might occur on 6/9 or 6/10, the dates which I've suspected as the most credible for Caylee's "disappearance".

I don't in any way hint that I'm psychic, but I've witnessed a lot of these type "anniversary reactions" in other folks over the years, and have personally experienced them.

I just heard on the NG show that KC has, in the last couple days (6/9, 6/l0), shown sleep disturbance with awaking, "screaming," and other signs of severe stress,
on the very date(s) that I'd predicted in my post (Random Thoughts thread).

Please share your thoughts/reactions about the likelihood that KC has been and may continue to show an "anniversary reaction." (NG says that there are those
who believe KC is now just trying to fake insanity for a NGBRoI defense).

My dad died when I was a little girl. He held my hand as he drew his last breath. I have ptsd and always have an anniversary reaction. It's awful, but it can't be stopped.

If Casey has any soul, she will have these reactions as well. imooc!

 

[Verité]

My dad died when I was a little girl. He held my hand as he drew his last breath. I have ptsd and always have an anniversary reaction. It's awful, but it can't be stopped.

If Casey has any soul, she will have these reactions as well. imooc!

Thanks for drawing from your personal experience of being with a dying parent and your subsequent stress/grief reactions. That's exactly what this thread intended,
a "phenomenological" approach, which can be as confirmatory as an empirical study, toward the issue of delayed mourning, with extension to the situation facing KCA,
and whether or not she might be expected to experience similar symptoms now and during the days and weeks ahead.

Clearly, there has been enough consensual validation from stories on this thread shared from personal experience or literature to corroborate that
the phenomenon of anniversary reactions is real, triggered by traumatic events and/or loss, although opinions vary about whether or not KC is
likely to be experiencing a similar grief reaction at this time.

Out of respect for Caylee, I want to believe that her mother will mourn the loss of this beautiful, creative, and winsome little girl. From the video record
of Caylee's antics, empathy for her great-grandfather, and ability to attend and concentrate while "reading" aloud to herself, I feel certain that she was a
bright child who would have flourished, had she lived.

This thread has been my anniversary tribute to Caylee. Thanks to all who shared here from your personal experiences, so openly and sincerely.