Hi andalso, there really was not that much water. I am probably going to go out and measure water lever for accuracy, but I’d say guessing, around 2 inches underneath. The area of ground next to the concrete 2ft wall, I’ll call it a sluice, was much soppier as I stepped in it, my boot was 1/2 way submerged. But the actual area Lucas was found, was not high at all. A guesstimate is 2 inches- there is not enough flow in that area to create enough energy to move something heavy, if that makes sense. I am going to markup the pics later this evening when I have time. Hopefully that will clarify things for y’all. I will also try to measure water depth.Oh goodness....the photos do add a certain depth of sadness. The reality kinda hit me in the face.
I am thankful they were shared, I have been wondering and I had envisioned it all wrong, it is helpful to see the pics.
Imagine a jury seeing these, and I am guessing LE has photos of their own. It's very disturbing.
I want to say really mean things about Emily right now. I won't.........but I want to!
ETA: I didn't expect to see so much water.
I stated elsewhere that his services have been paid for. I was very mistaken. His services have not been paid for at this time.
Is that dark gap between the roadway and the water, where LH was? IS This why the water was much more shallow?? Thanks for the photos!View attachment 134926 Standing from the road at the top
He did.I’m positive the PI said the square culvert was 4’x12’.
If anyone insists on a link I’ll have to go back and really dig.
Quick question I haven't seen asked. This will be for the locals and more specifically those who were out there...the bridge/culvert where Lucas was placed - is that a standard one for the area? As mentioned it is quite small and you wouldn't know it was there unless you were looking for it or knew it was there. Are there more like it in the area that are the same or similar? I am just thinking if this is a standard type of runoff used in the rural areas, if you've seen one you've seen a dozen type things - like maybe she hadn't been to this EXACT one before, but she knows there are lots of them around? Thanks in advance for anyone who can advise
Could she have cast her shoes off somewhere to hide the evidence of her activity? Gravel clue either came from car or shoes? Which one or is it both?Maybe that's why she was doing all that laundry..OR where the bare feet come into play????
If we think about it- she had to have known about this place and it's exact location, OR, if she had help, that person might have known about it. This is why I swear, it was premeditated. Even if she was familiar with that area (how? What is her connection to it? There's no trails or park there, isn't there a wheat field around there?), how in God's name did she find it in the dark, alone? Even the PI said that he was confused, because they all looked the same (bridges).You are very observant. When you view the location from google street view (not aerial), it's definitely not a spot you'd even know about if you were out randomly driving around. She had to have known about this particular culvert's features prior to bringing Lucas out there. From the road (according to google street view), it doesn't look like anything.
Quick question I haven't seen asked. This will be for the locals and more specifically those who were out there...the bridge/culvert where Lucas was placed - is that a standard one for the area? As mentioned it is quite small and you wouldn't know it was there unless you were looking for it or knew it was there. Are there more like it in the area that are the same or similar? I am just thinking if this is a standard type of runoff used in the rural areas, if you've seen one you've seen a dozen type things - like maybe she hadn't been to this EXACT one before, but she knows there are lots of them around? Thanks in advance for anyone who can advise
I can't sleep and my mind keeps racing about sweet Lucas.
I've been seriously thinking that EG wasn't alone when Lucas was placed under the bridge. When we were told to focus on the late hours Friday/early Saturday (I can't get into her mind at all) but I imagine it would probably have been pitch dark. It is very, very rural even in February without the foliage. Yikes. I would have been terrified climbing down there. She must have parked on the road. Even during the night she risked being seen by someone driving by.
I just can't even begin to understand, especially if she was alone.
It is not so much standard, but common. It would be unusual to drive more than a mile or two on any rural road without crossing over at least one type of large culvert or another. They vary from large and round prefab "pipe" type to rectangular "tunnels". Most locals would actually call them drainage canals or culverts rather than labeling it an actual bridge. Many of them have little to no water on a day to day basis, but are meant to funnel runoff water during heavy rains that otherwise would flood across the road itself.
Oh I am with you 1000%.My heart goes out to anyone who loses a child but I can't accept denial and loyalty as an excuse. It is not like Lucas death came out of the blue and there were no signs. The bruises were seen, there was violence in the home, drug use, long term illness etc. He might not of believed it would ever go this far, but he accepted and participated in the lifestyle these children were put in. I may come across as very cold but I can sympathize that he lost his child in a horrific way and still feel like he played a part in the final outcome by not taking steps to stop and protect the children and I believe it is time that people be held accountable for their choices, Lucas wasn't given a choice.
I don't mean anything towards you kkdj when I say this, this is just my opinion. I do not care.
Mr. Pink says the culvert is approximately 4 foot tall, 6 foot wide and 50 feet long.
Hahah well I appreciate the help in understanding the size as well as how common this specific type of bridge/culvert/drain is. I'm about 3-4 hours away so I'm close enough to feel local but too far to come be helpful. I'm on the Missouri side so I'm used to seeing different types of drainage ditches but I haven't inspected many of them, especially not in my adult life. Thank you so much for filling me inI just gave away how short Mr. Pink is!!! He has a customer who is really big who calls Mr. Pink his little buddy. It cracks us up!! I love my shorty man!
I've been thinking about this too. Why listen to strangers? The only thing I can think of is that they somehow kept hope alive for him. People jumped all over JO from the beginning and were looking for any connection to her -- even some who were "with" her in the beginning.I just feel like he continues to gravitate towards the wrong people. I feel more for him if went more towards family instead of SM strangers
There is none so blind, as he who will not seeI've been thinking about this too. Why listen to strangers? The only thing I can think of is that they somehow kept hope alive for him. People jumped all over JO from the beginning and were looking for any connection to her -- even some who were "with" her in the beginning.
Pure speculation ahead --
I can imagine if some of these people who were involved in the very beginning searches and fundraisers were to go to JH and suddenly say, "You can't believe he's dead. You can't give up on Lucas" and bring up people who were found years later (Steven Stayner, Jaycee Dugard, etc), it gave him permission to believe in a miracle.
Now, if he was to believe in a miracle, that would mean Lucas was kidnapped, not dead -- and who would kidnap him and stash him away somewhere? He wasn't crazy -- a whole article was written about it; other people believed JO was behind it. He needed to believe JO succeeded, but it also made him angry -- how dare she? Similar to his family -- how dare they challenge his parenting, his mate of choice, his family, his life under his roof that he supported with his hard work? He blamed JO for all of that too -- if his family was going to play into her "drama" then they were against him, not for him.
These people served to soothe him, make him believe everything was ok and would be ok. He would get his son back and MH back and EG would come home and they wouldn't have to deal with JO anymore -- things would be "better than normal" if they could just find Lucas.
You and I are seriously on the same wave length today... It’s a little scary. Lol. Every time you post something in my head I say “I know, right?!” I feel like there is some hidden meaning for sure.BBM
Considering whether the crime scene processors found any cigarette butts for the evidence collection. Considering whether LE is interrogating the neighbors about the area or events of a few months prior:
"They were standing outside and talking and smoking a cigarette and it was actually pretty early morning so I went out there to be like hey is everything okay? Do you need to come inside? Are you stranded? They were just like, no and just like looked at me like I offended them or something."
Lets talk about hidden meanings.
Lets talk about ends left WIDE open.