Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #27

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DCF Announces New Child Welfare Grants and Contract
5/31/2018
The new child welfare grants improve accountability, oversight, fiscal responsibility, quality services, conflicts of interest, are client-centered, focused on needs-based services, competition and innovation. In addition, foster homes, kin, children and families will be more empowered. The grants also emphasize permanency in child-time, preferably with family, if safely possible. With these grants, Secretary Meier-Hummel is also committed to safely reducing the number of children in out-of-home care.
“By listening to Kansans, and by taking a careful look at our systems, we created grants and contracts that we truly believe will have a positive impact on the children and families in this state,” Secretary Meier-Hummel said. “Overall, this is a dramatic change, creating more accountability and oversight. We will be controlling more of the process, monitoring and expecting results for the families we serve.”
DCF Announces New Child Welfare Grants and Contract - Newsroom

This is an excellent page with new information. For those interested in change, I encourage you to bookmark this page.
 
i think we all tend to forget JH also struck EG's children.He should get no pass on anything.It is impossible to know what all he really knew about really happened to lucas.I have three young ones between 9 and 3 I would take them so far away from something like that.


You are absolutely correct. It will be interesting to hear testimony in that trial.

This entire case is so bizarre. Laced with everything I could think of writing.

But people are people and have shortcomings and yes violence. I get frustrated because several people really attempted to come forward and remove Lucas from that environment. Every attempt was met with a failure of DCF to act. When a social worker went to the school she should have recognized the injuries to Lucas were from abuse. This situation was reported several times over the course of at least 18 months. That along with the police records easily indicated those kids should have been removed from that toxic environment. They had an open court case that provided additional support for removal. I can see it from a thousand miles away. What I don’t understand is the reason DCF failed to act.

I don’t want to argue overworked and understaffed because I haven’t looked at ther budget, but they failed.

EG had lost her older boys, there is applicable information in that case that clearly indicated she is a known drug user. She failed to make the small effort to show for parenting classes. She had no interest in court compliance. DCF failed, and Lucas suffered agonizing injuries and an unnecessary death. In the end DCFfailed him. The one last safeguard in his life failed him. And he died for that.

Lucas Allen Hernandez would be alive, playing in the dirt with his favorite toys if DCF had removed him and his sister from the home. Period.
 
DCF Announces New Child Welfare Grants and Contract
5/31/2018
The new child welfare grants improve accountability, oversight, fiscal responsibility, quality services, conflicts of interest, are client-centered, focused on needs-based services, competition and innovation. In addition, foster homes, kin, children and families will be more empowered. The grants also emphasize permanency in child-time, preferably with family, if safely possible. With these grants, Secretary Meier-Hummel is also committed to safely reducing the number of children in out-of-home care.
“By listening to Kansans, and by taking a careful look at our systems, we created grants and contracts that we truly believe will have a positive impact on the children and families in this state,” Secretary Meier-Hummel said. “Overall, this is a dramatic change, creating more accountability and oversight. We will be controlling more of the process, monitoring and expecting results for the families we serve.”
DCF Announces New Child Welfare Grants and Contract - Newsroom

This is an excellent page with new information. For those interested in change, I encourage you to bookmark this page.


Grams, I’d love to think this is true reform, but as I shared before until there is public over site thes are words I’ve heard before. Let’s see how long it is before another child dies. And it will happen. Sorry. No offense intended.
 
Lucas and his short life still have a lot to teach us and it is my belief that he will help save future children. We even have a member in this case here on WS who took proactive steps to save a child in her family because of Lucas' case. He's already saved at least one child. Lucas has a legacy beginning already.

It is very true that the system failed Lucas. He was failed by more than one person in his life, but the system was a huge part of this failure.
 
I do feel some sympathy for JH at this very moment while burying his son. But in a day or so, I’ll be right back where I’ve always been. I despise him. He’s despicable. He deserves the same punishment as the evil *advertiser censored* does. Yes, he loved Lucas in his own simple way. Love is not enough!
 
DM says everyone has the right to an affordable bond, Glass says "I didn't."Around 19:10 DM talks about the 50k bond. He says he could've bonded her on it if he had been around.
BBM, Snipped by me

If that piece of work pulled her weight in life maybe dat azz would've had bond (piddling mere 5 grand, give me a break).
Or is it that cash was out there and they couldn't dirty their toes leaving the tracks.

To hear 'her side' I guess all suspects should just have everything handed to them on a golden platter, free.

I wonder what she's whining for now, that she has all the 'free' on earth. I hope it's being recorded. And I'm still extremely satisfied with the judgement from her CE case.

I hope EG is hungry, 'cuz she's got a lot to eat.

It's going to be one hell of a buffet.
 
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I just want to repost this section from the bottom of my last post, because regardless of whether anyone cares why I feel this way, I do feel this way:

Can't we just apply the "scroll on" thing if someone says they do or they don't have sympathy for JH? Please? If you don't want to go that way, fine, but I don't agree with it. The main thing here is LUCAS not how we each feel about JH.

PS I am NOT saying people shouldn't criticise JH at all. He has done (or not done) a lot of things to be critical of and angry about.


I have to agree. I darn near lost my 40 yo son in a very bad car accident. I flew across the country and drive straight through to northern Georgia. I still wasn’t prepared for what I saw when I walked in the room. I had to deal with him in a coma and I will tell you nurses grabbed me and put me in a chair. I began to make deals with God as I never had. My son was fortunate and I don’t understand why he survived.

But if nothing else I darn sure remember the feeling when it went to the edge of every cell in my body and I realized he could die.

And Lucas is dead, he was dead when he was reported missing. I have nothing but sorrow for everyone but EG. THIS WOMAN RUINED 20 or more lives of family alone. she’s been at it all her adult life. And it took the death of a 5 year old to stop her.
 
I do feel some sympathy for JH at this very moment while burying his son. But in a day or so, I’ll be right back where I’ve always been. I despise him. He’s despicable. He deserves the same punishment as the evil *advertiser censored* does. Yes, he loved Lucas in his own simple way. Love is not enough!

I absolutely believe he wanted Lucas found. I don't doubt that. I think he had convinced himself that Lucas was still alive and that is understandable as a parent. I do not think any parent should have to bury a child. But he does have free will to make different choices going forward. IF he continues to support EG, I will have a very hard time understanding that. It is my hope that he will protect his daughter from EG the way he didn't or couldn't protect Lucas from EG.
 
JMO
Im just thankful to be amongst ALL of you for caring so much about this case and what happened to poor LH. We all come with different perspectives but the common denominator is we all are trying to fully understand WTH happened in that household for the poor boy to end up under a bridge.

And we want someone(s) to be held responsible so that it helps to prevent the next poor little one from getting hurt or killed.

We have seen this type of case so many times and yes it usually is the sexes flipped. Usually its a mother caring more about a BF, the money being brought in, the drugs, or any number of other things and they put that ahead of their own sons and daughters. And they ignore the things happening to their little ones and then when something really bad happens to the little one they claim they never knew or never thought it was that bad. Most of the time they knew and just chose not to acknowledge it because other things were much more important to them.

Doesnt matter whether the roles were flipped this time. It was the same story we have seen many times before and sadly we will see it again.

We all just want it to stop and something needs to be done to help prevent it. And there has to be a penalty if someone causes someone's death. We cannot live in a mad max society that allows people to hurt and kill others with no recourse. I sure hope LE finds the evidence they need to hold someone accountable in this case. Poor LH did not deserve this. RIP little one.
 
Sometimes I start to have sympathy for JH ButI think I am thinking about how a regular father would feel. The facts are JH decisions and judgements are why Lucas is not here. His mother and grandmother who should be very important figures in his life tried to alert him. But I think what seals the deal for me is his reactions after he was missing .. still having poor judgement with who he surrounds himself with not just EG but the groupies . This is a person who do not have good judgement and should not be allowed to make decisions for another child
 
I just want to see JH looked at the same way people tend to look at the majority of cases similar to this we see where a child's mom's boyfriend (or husband) abuses and kills the mom's child. I rarely see anyone defend women who look the other way while their child gets abused or killed by their significant other. I look at this case the same way, but the genders are different from the majority of cases we see. This time it's a woman who abused and killed her boyfriend's child. JH does not get sympathy from me because he was trying to provide for his family. Plenty of women are the breadwinners in their families as well. It doesn't make it okay to leave one's child in the care of an abuser.

Couldn’t agree more. Our primary job as parents is to protect our children until they are able to protect themselves. If that inconveniences you, so be it, you signed up for this.

JH had family that would have taken care of Lucas while he worked. He had options. Lucas didn’t.

He chose to look the other way while Lucas suffered the consequences and ultimately paid for it with his life.
 
I just want to repost this section from the bottom of my last post, because regardless of whether anyone cares why I feel this way, I do feel this way:

Can't we just apply the "scroll on" thing if someone says they do or they don't have sympathy for JH? Please? If you don't want to go that way, fine, but I don't agree with it. The main thing here is LUCAS not how we each feel about JH.

PS I am NOT saying people shouldn't criticise JH at all. He has done (or not done) a lot of things to be critical of and angry about.
This^^^^
 
I do feel some sympathy for JH at this very moment while burying his son. But in a day or so, I’ll be right back where I’ve always been. I despise him. He’s despicable. He deserves the same punishment as the evil *advertiser censored* does. Yes, he loved Lucas in his own simple way. Love is not enough!

I agree on all counts. Personal responsibility’s an important.

In spite or because of things like this, we have laws and most importantly a specific system in place to be a very serious failsafe for children. I take it seriously.

Wichita has seen some horrific abuse cases and child deaths because if the system failure. One is to many. DCF is not going to solve this by a nicely worded press release. There needs to be a public iversite board to really have access to be darn sure policies and procedures are in fact changed. And some of the accountability we are placing on individuals involved in this very case.

It’s no mistake that DCF report/press statement came out today. I’ve done to many of them.

I just don’t want to log in and learn yet another child has died at the hands of a mother father or caregiver.
 
Kansas Introduces New Dashboard to Monitor Child Welfare Reform Process June 1, 2018
In May, Kansas Department of Children and Families (DCF) announced the roll out of a new online, interactive dashboard that highlights the reforms and changes taking place in the state’s child welfare system.

Since taking the helm as governor earlier this year, Jeff Colyer (R) has prioritized reforming a troubled child welfare system. Recently appointed DCF Secretary Gina Meier-Hummel has undertaken an overhaul of the state’s system and implemented more transparency of the department, including this recent dashboard roll out.

“Secretary Meier-Hummel has made it a priority to conduct reviews of agency systems, processes and procedures to make significant improvements and reforms to how we serve the children and families of Kansas,” said Taylor Forrest, director of communications at DCF. “This dashboard creates further transparency and accountability, and will help track the progress of agency reforms and initiatives. This is just another step in the right direction.”


The dashboard was created internally by the department and the system is updated the last Friday of every month by regional staff and the communications department, letting the public know the progress of reforms and other initiatives underway at DCF.

Included are metrics in five areas of the agency: Economic and Employment Services, Child Support Services, Rehabilitation Services, Prevention and Protection Services, DCF Regions. As the goals are met, other goals and reforms will be added.

“Our agency exists to serve Kansans, and we want to clearly demonstrate to the public the work being done,” said Secretary Meier-Hummel in a press release. “This is just another step we are taking to be more transparent and accountable to the public.”
https://chronicleofsocialchange.org...ashboard-monitor-child-welfare-reform-process
 
I don't believe in expecting people to feel a certain way and complaining if you don't see enough anger from them against a certain person or situation.

I've seen people in here saying their partners abused their children and they didn't know about it. I see the world in shades of grey. When they tell their stories on here people say "oh you poor thing, that's terrible". But how does that fit with the black/white, 1/0 attitude that *has* to be applied or else. I find that a bit of emotional blackmail. I find it a sad thing in human nature that we judge people by whether they hate enough and that sometimes people are disgusted with anyone who does express a little empathy for at least part of a situation. I find it a bit too close to the attitude of "I don't care how x crime happened, just hang 'em". I want to learn how these things happen. I want to learn how someone could fight through being gaslit (if that happened here) to see reality, and feel empowered to do something about it.

I have a tendency to over-sympathize with people and it might take me a while to figure out they don't have the feelings I think they must be feeling. On the other hand I try to step back emotionally in these cases and try to observe, learn, try to come up with ideas. Even if my heart goes out to a parent whose child is missing or deceased I struggle with saying that and tend to go straight over it to examining the details of the case. It's not because I'm hard-hearted; the people who know me better think I'm way too sensitive. Seeing things in shades of grey, tending to over-empathize, being more about the structure of human nature and actions, I have empathy for JH's situation, but that doesn't mean I excuse him of every mistake he's made. I also want people to be attacked for things that are factual, and I see people misinterpret something or make what appears to be a slightly faulty claim on here and bash him for that, and I'm not complaining because I understand that the anger people feel toward him is coming from a caring place, and people are angry at the situation, and he did fail his children. But what if he was gaslit? For me that's a grey area where I feel uncomfortable judging someone harshly when I haven't walked in their shoes.

JH is being accused here of not wanting Lucas found or for EG to admit to what she'd done. And he's being judged and attacked on that basis. If the basis is fair and accurate I think that's fair. I don't know that the basis is fair or accurate, so I'm not going to join in with that bashing. He seemed very upset that he was struggling to get a PI in, because he said he wanted his son found. I think someone on here might have been onto something when they said he was unfair in what he said about no one looking for Lucas and that might have been because he'd been convinced that Lucas wasn't lying in a ditch in the Wichita area. Yet JH did also say thanks to searchers at one of the vigils. He also tried to clarify his comments about no one doing anything, which made me think the original words were spoken more in despair. None of us can make a perfect statement that we don't later wish we'd said a different way or added in different things, it's a lot easier to attack someone for not saying the exact words we wanted/expected them to say. So JH goes back to work, maybe thinking it will be weeks or months before Lucas is found. If he was jobless or lost his job through taking time off for this he'd be attacked for that too. Jamie is suffering the same thing, she's being attacked for everything she says and does and for everything she doesn't say or do. I know Jamie is in a different position than JH, because she didn't have the power to kick EG out of that house, and JH did. We all saw the things people said about Jamie for the interview she did on the couch with JH, and I think the same thing is happening with JH. People attack based on their assumptions about a person.

I am sad because someone said something that made me feel they hated me because I wasn't hating on JH enough, and it was someone for whom I have so much respect. I had to try and tell myself that it doesn't matter how that person (or anyone else here) feels about me, because we can still work together in these threads regardless, and that is what really matters.

I have never been one to follow the crowd in hating people or falling out with someone because someone else wants me to. I play Devil's Advocate a lot and get judged for the things I put forward as food for thought or what if. I like seeing people do that on this forum! I might not agree with what they say but I respect that they had the balls to say it even though it went against the crowd assumption.

I don't want to be hated as a JH supporter or lumped into a category like that, because I don't feel inside that that's what I am, I just dislike bashing people based on miscomprehension of something and I have all these grey areas where I will play Devil's Advocate, and I often just want to wait to get more information. We all have different levels where we feel we have enough information to draw firm conclusions...look at Global Warming, some people feel they have enough information/evidence *now* some people are just as certain that they don't have enough. That's what it is to be on a globe of human beings, there are certain averages, and sometimes there are multiple averages like in this case where there is an average of people who are firmly in the EG dunnit camp but another average of people who are in the "Err, maybe it was JO or maybe the three of them were in it together" camp and then there are outliers who think the PI found Lucas so fast because it was he who dunnit. (I kid you not).

Can't we just apply the "scroll on" thing if someone says they do or they don't have sympathy for JH? Please? If you don't want to go that way, fine, but I don't agree with it. The main thing here is LUCAS not how we each feel about JH.
Thank you for saying what I was struggling to put into words. I too am a very analytical person and have to look at things from every aspect. I also may seem a little removed since I’m so busy analyzing I don’t let my passions run wild with hate and vitriol. My saving grace in this case is JOs generous sweet voice saying how much Lucas loved his father. In reverence to Lucas I will respect that love.
 
It is when I put everything together my blood starts boiling. It wasn't an isolated came home from work and child had bruises that EG explained away - it was numerous injury incidents, family telling him about the abuse, Lucas own words Emily doesn't like me anymore, the drug use, the violent incidents between him and EG in front of children, JH striking EG son, EG not having custody of her own bio children, him isolating Lucas from family that pointed out the abuse. When you put that all together it wasn't just a she was slick and fooled me.
 
I think we need to remember that there's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. There may well be some valid explanations for JH's behavior (or lack thereof), but that doesn't excuse him from not protecting his son.

Do I feel pity for him? Yes. Do I think he's partially responsible for Lucas' loss? Yes.
BBM for emphasis. This is it! I made a lengthy post trying to look at JH's behavior -- why did he say/do these particular things? What about this angle?

I am trying to understand JH and have even tried to understand EG because I'm trying to understand how we can protect children like Lucas. No excuses.

I agree that there should be no double standards.

I also think you can be completely innocent and grilled (look at JO). People can jump to conclusions and be cruel.

I do not think JH is completely innocent in all of this, but I have to consider that EG was able to fool him more than all of us would like to believe we would be fooled.

Most of all, I think it's good for us to have disagreements--it's how new ideas come out into the open, and it's how we learn perspectives different from our own, and it enables us to apply new ways of thinking to discussion. Just being open to an opposing view can give us the tiniest jumping off point that we can agree deserves further exploration.

We all get passionate because we care, and sometimes it feels like others are disliking us rather than disliking our opinions. I tend to be sensitive so be assured I have felt that way, sometimes thinking a member "hates" me, lol -- I had to take a step back and remember no one here knows me from Adam except that I'm someone else who cares about Lucas. So how can they hate me?

We communicate in ways unique to us--some us converse ("blah blah blah") like me; others are the definition of succinct. My ideas aren't popular in some cases with some members who feel differently and I also like to play devil's advocate sometimes which I know irritates those who don't care for that type of discussion -- that' s ok because I still feel safe enough to post them here and it's likely to resonate with at least one other member.

Truthfully, I think the world needs this Lucas group of folks right here on WS to discuss many other pressing issues because we've proven we can handle it...jmo
 
I just want to see JH looked at the same way people tend to look at the majority of cases similar to this we see where a child's mom's boyfriend (or husband) abuses and kills the mom's child. I rarely see anyone defend women who look the other way while their child gets abused or killed by their significant other. I look at this case the same way, but the genders are different from the majority of cases we see. This time it's a woman who abused and killed her boyfriend's child. JH does not get sympathy from me because he was trying to provide for his family. Plenty of women are the breadwinners in their families as well. It doesn't make it okay to leave one's child in the care of an abuser.

I absolutely agree with you ...
 
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