Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #32

[WildcatRunner]

I agree the whole report is heartbreaking. I wonder why she lied about what Lucas was wearing, and where are the pajamas that he was 'supposedly' wearing? I wonder if she threw them away because they contained evidence?

I don't recall that he was wearing pajamas? A shirt with a bear on it, sweat pants, and a Pull-up, iirc?

 

[castilloisno1]

I don't recall that he was wearing pajamas? A shirt with a bear on it, sweat pants, and a Pull-up, iirc?

I think pajamas were mentioned because Emily had changed her story and said that when she woke up the next day,she found Lucas dead.

 

[PommyMommy]

I think pajamas were mentioned because Emily had changed her story and said that when she woke up the next day,she found Lucas dead.

Do you remember where it was mentioned (that Lucas was wearing pj's)? I don't think I've seen that.

 

[WildcatRunner]

I don't understand why no stippling around the entrance wound - I thought on NG that the expert stated that is one of the number one things you look for in suicide is stippling.

A sentence or 2 before they mentioned soot...which basically is stippling. So it is odd they said there is soot, but not stippling. I guess I don't understand the exact difference that must exist in those 2 words.

 

[kshultz06082]

Noted was persistent pulmonary hypertension of the newborn. I do not recall this being mentioned.

UpToDate 3/2018

I was thinking pulmunary = lung related... my bad

 

[SecretGarden]

Is drowning proved through an autopsy? Or is it difficult to prove?

 

[casesensitive]

I don't understand why no stippling around the entrance wound - I thought on NG that the expert stated that is one of the number one things you look for in suicide is stippling.

There is no stippling if range is "contact" as in this case. Contact is when gun muzzle touches target (head). Stippling occurs if muzzle is six inches from target, and out to 30 inches.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Emily+Glass+Autopsy+and+Toxicology+Report.pdf

Edited to include link I forgot.

Gunshot Wounds

 

[Steelslady]

So undetermined doesn't mean that it wasn't a homicide. I found this article to be of help when trying to understand the actual definition of "undetermined":

What Does it Mean When the Cause of Death Is Undetermined?

If the autopsy does not reveal sufficient evidence that the death resulted from homicide, even if there is evidence of possible homicide, this may result in an "undetermined" ruling.

 

[Steelslady]

What does that mean? They didn't find them attached?

I'm so glad you asked this question.

 

[Steelslady]

This is just another overview of Phenethylamine

Recreational phenethylamine poisonings reported to a French poison control center. - PubMed - NCBI

From that article:

Complications such as seizures (7%), cardiac arrest (5%), toxic myocarditis (1%) and hemorrhagic stroke (1%) were also observed.

 

[Squirrel85]

Do you remember where it was mentioned (that Lucas was wearing pj's)? I don't think I've seen that.

Found Deceased - Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #26

Pajama talk happened here when Blef was wondering what clothing Lucas was found in. I saw something about pajamas somewhere else, too. I am still looking for it.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Found Deceased - Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #26

Pajama talk happened here when Blef was wondering what clothing Lucas was found in. I saw something about pajamas somewhere else, too. I am still looking for it.

It was speculation though. The only thing we heard in MSM was EG's description of what he was wearing, which didn't sound like PJ's.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

There is no stippling if range is "contact" as in this case. Contact is when gun muzzle touches target (head). Stippling occurs if muzzle is six inches from target, and out to 30 inches.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Emily+Glass+Autopsy+and+Toxicology+Report.pdf

The report indicates soot. Those bullets fire hard and fast. I’ll have to research stippling. Could be an AR just doesn’t leave those patterns.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

I’m new to WS. I’ve been following this heartbreaking story. On NG’s podcast, when DM was with EG, EG told him LH Had a concussion and that’s how he died? Correct me if I’m wrong. Sorry I’m confused.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Is drowning proved through an autopsy? Or is it difficult to prove?

It would be very difficult to prove when all evidence had probably seeped out. Darn I’m even more upset with her now.

There is very good reason to hear every shred of evidence in this case and LE COMPLETE files.

I say INQUEST. let a jury of 6 public members decide after they examine evidence. It’s the only way to get an answer.

 

[flute4peace]

Is drowning proved through an autopsy? Or is it difficult to prove?

Only if the lungs are there - which his weren't.

 

[perfectingpink]

Anything to be made of the bruising and locations on EG? Upper right arm, right thigh, left lower leg

I wonder if the bruising is from the kickback of the rifle?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

A sentence or 2 before they mentioned soot...which basically is stippling. So it is odd they said there is soot, but not stippling. I guess I don't understand the exact difference that must exist in those 2 words.

I think imo stippling forms a specific pattern while soot is soot.

Over 1.6 lbs of her brain was in a separate bag.

And JH saud LE told him about 3 notes.

Inquest will get all files public and in this case it needs to happen

 

[Charliegizmo49]

chronic pain? EG's endo meds?
Did she give to Lucas after hurting him?
Did the nurse practitioner get involved?
So many questions.

Note. Autopsy said NO ADHESIONS THROUGHOUT BODY CAVITY. I think that means no endometriosis.

 

[Busylady]

A poster kindly explained that stippling does not occur when it is a "contact" firing and this was ruled a contact firing so stippling would not be present.