KS - Patricia Kimmi, 58, Horton, 6 Nov 2009 - #1

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eyestowardHeaven said:
I need to get my facts straight - apparently "dad" did NOT give dna.
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Sorry to hear that - but I really can't imagine he would have done this himself - so the DNA may not have helped from him anyway.

I am concentrating prayers for the person responsible -- that God will so convict their heart to turn themself (ves) in and come clean about what happened.
 
I'm sorry... that had to be disappointing to hear. Thinking of you all and of your mom tonight.
 
I don't know if this would even be worth trying now since she has been gone for a few weeks now, but has anyone tried walking her dog around the property and see if it like follows a scent or something.

The reason I bring it up is my dog, Trixie (yes, that sneeky looking puppy in my avatar pic), is overly attached to my best friend. It is bad enough that when he goes back to his home on the weekends, she pouts and watches devotedly at the sliding glass door to the balcony for him to return. She sniffs the parking lot trying to find his car. She even tries to pull me down to his apartment when I am trying to walk her around the apartment complex. She sniffs his trail, for lack of a better description, and has even escaped the apartment to try and track him to another friend's apartment on a few occasions (Yes, I know she has issues, but it could be worse, it could be someone I don't like, ya know?)

I guess I am thinking that her dog may have been as devoted to her as my lil bit is to my friend, and maybe her dog would try to follow after her scent, or maybe even if it saw what happened (which from the sounds of the behavior Rita has described, I would bet money it did) it would try to trace her last steps/movements.

Like I said, it is probably a long shot, but I see how Trixie does my friend, and I think "Maybe so...."
 
Rita, we have never met and I'm not from Horton, but do have aLOT of inlaws there. They of course, know your family. This is not a "happy" Thanksgiving for you,but I hope you can still follow your mom's example and be "thankful". Thankful for the times with her; thankful for the faith and hope she gave you; thankful for the family and freinds who are with you now, even if only in thoughts and prayers. And thankful for the faith to know that wherever and whatever, God is with your mom and that when the time has come, God's time, you WILL find all the answers.

My prayers are with you all.
 
eyestowardHeaven said:
I think he told his sad story too many drunken times to too many people, and one of them happened to be psychotic. Whether he thought he could get money or just knew that she was alone - it wasn't like it was a secret where she lived, but I know my "dad" told people where it was - who knows.

It will shock the living daylights out of me if this turns out to be a stranger. It is just too coincidental beyond words that she made it thru the divorce battle and Taylor passing away, only to have some stranger abduct her. This kind of thing doesn't happen here. I'm certain it was someone she knew.
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That he told stories while drunk to many people is baffling as well. Even if someone were to take on his "cause" so to speak, it is such a severe horrible and dangerous thing to kidnap someone, the kidnapper would have to have some type of personal investment in doing a crime for someone else, whether it be love, money, etc. It's hard to picture someone killing or kidnapping for another if they don't have some kind of connection to who they are doing the deed for (such as they love the person, or would be getting paid to do it)..
Not to mention drunks talking to other drunks, if they are really drunk they may not even remember the conversation or take it to heart..
Taylor's death seemed to have had an effect on your father, however little it may seem if he attempted to even talk to one of the sons?
Please correct me if i am wrong, when Taylor passed, your father had talked to her father, his son? When was the last time your father had spoke to him before that?
The reason i ask, is since if it had been a long while, it seems that Taylor's passing did affect him on some level..
 
eeyorelrn said:
I don't know if this would even be worth trying now since she has been gone for a few weeks now, but has anyone tried walking her dog around the property and see if it like follows a scent or something.

The reason I bring it up is my dog, Trixie (yes, that sneeky looking puppy in my avatar pic), is overly attached to my best friend. It is bad enough that when he goes back to his home on the weekends, she pouts and watches devotedly at the sliding glass door to the balcony for him to return. She sniffs the parking lot trying to find his car. She even tries to pull me down to his apartment when I am trying to walk her around the apartment complex. She sniffs his trail, for lack of a better description, and has even escaped the apartment to try and track him to another friend's apartment on a few occasions (Yes, I know she has issues, but it could be worse, it could be someone I don't like, ya know?)

I guess I am thinking that her dog may have been as devoted to her as my lil bit is to my friend, and maybe her dog would try to follow after her scent, or maybe even if it saw what happened (which from the sounds of the behavior Rita has described, I would bet money it did) it would try to trace her last steps/movements.

Like I said, it is probably a long shot, but I see how Trixie does my friend, and I think "Maybe so...."
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This is a good idea, imo.. doesn't hurt to try at least.
Your mom's dog seems traumatized from the incident, you mention she was hiding under the bed =(
 
cclearly said:
Sorry to hear that - but I really can't imagine he would have done this himself - so the DNA may not have helped from him anyway.

I am concentrating prayers for the person responsible -- that God will so convict their heart to turn themself (ves) in and come clean about what happened.
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Do you think that the woman he has in his life now would go to extremes for him? Especially if he changed his will for her or anything like that?
 
Hello everyone,

I have been reading your posts and thinking about various scenarios. I would love to help.

I was thinking along the same lines as MeoW.

Rita, would your mom open the door for this woman? Do you think a man or men might have been hiding in the car/truck and her role was just to get your mom to open the door?
 
Happy Thanksgiving, Rita. I pray for you and your family today and hope that answers come soon.
 
A question for anyone who might remember......had PK changed her clothes after arriving home from her outing with friends? Were the clothes she had worn out that day at the house, or are those the clothes that they believe she left the house wearing?

TIA
 
Off-topic, but Horton-related:
Tribal casino near Horton dropping list of banned gamblers
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1596241.html

I know a few have wondered if the crime against Mrs. Kimmi could be casino-related, i.e., perpetuated by someone out to rob to set his (or her) gambling losses aright; this just-posted kc.com article deals with the gambling problems of Horton-area residents. I currently live in a small town in NE OK which has nine (!) casinos, and it's speculated that a couple of recent home invasions were somehow linked to those with gambling losses.
 
cclearly said:
Sorry to hear that - but I really can't imagine he would have done this himself - so the DNA may not have helped from him anyway.

I am concentrating prayers for the person responsible -- that God will so convict their heart to turn themself (ves) in and come clean about what happened.
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I know he's not directly involved, but the more days that go by that he could have helped in some way but doesn't, really gets to me. I can't even get beyond grief and sorrow to feel a lot of anger that someone did this to Mom, but it eats at me more and more the kind of person "dad" really is. I've always known what kind of person he really is, but anytime something bad happens, he's had the opportunity to act like a human being. And time after time, he doesn't. THIS, on top of all the other people we've lost, is horrible. He's still a self-centered coward.

I don't know if I've mentioned this yet, but on November 1st, what would have been Taylor's 13th bday, her grandpa, Gary Lanter, passed away. He was only 57 when he went to be with her in Heaven. Gary is my sister-in-law's dad and a friend of our family since we were all kids. So we lost Gary on the 1st and Mom was abducted on the 6th. Unbelievable.
 
OneStepAtATime said:
Rita, we have never met and I'm not from Horton, but do have aLOT of inlaws there. They of course, know your family. This is not a "happy" Thanksgiving for you,but I hope you can still follow your mom's example and be "thankful". Thankful for the times with her; thankful for the faith and hope she gave you; thankful for the family and freinds who are with you now, even if only in thoughts and prayers. And thankful for the faith to know that wherever and whatever, God is with your mom and that when the time has come, God's time, you WILL find all the answers.

My prayers are with you all.
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Thank you very much. We do still have much to be thankful for, that is for sure...but it's kind of like the parable of the lost sheep, which I've always thought of when I'm missing Taylor. If you have a bunch of sheep but one is missing, would you not do whatever you could to go find that one lost sheep? I always feel comforted when I think of that, knowing that in telling that parable, Jesus knows always how we feel, with Taylor and Gary and Mom.
 
MeoW333 said:
That he told stories while drunk to many people is baffling as well. Even if someone were to take on his "cause" so to speak, it is such a severe horrible and dangerous thing to kidnap someone, the kidnapper would have to have some type of personal investment in doing a crime for someone else, whether it be love, money, etc. It's hard to picture someone killing or kidnapping for another if they don't have some kind of connection to who they are doing the deed for (such as they love the person, or would be getting paid to do it)..
Not to mention drunks talking to other drunks, if they are really drunk they may not even remember the conversation or take it to heart..
Taylor's death seemed to have had an effect on your father, however little it may seem if he attempted to even talk to one of the sons?
Please correct me if i am wrong, when Taylor passed, your father had talked to her father, his son? When was the last time your father had spoke to him before that?
The reason i ask, is since if it had been a long while, it seems that Taylor's passing did affect him on some level..
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Well, believe me, my "dad" would have been the drunker of the two drunks having a conversation. Our thinking is that he gave out too much information - where she lived, that she was alone, that she "took everything he had", she's a rotten ***** and he'd like to see her dead, etc. I don't THINK "dad" thought someone would take that information and actually act on it, if that is what happened, I don't believe they did it on his behalf, BUT I am not ruling anything out or letting anyone off the hook yet.

As far as Taylor, the way "dad" and his friends behaved at the time of her death was more of a pity party for him. One of them said some pretty pointless things to one of my brothers when we were all together that next night and it was just about more than I could take. No, they did not have any clue the loss, complete devastation, that we all felt, most especially my brother and sister-in-law. That was in the middle of the divorce and that was "dad's" focus.

My "dad" has done such rotten things to my brothers as retaliation for all of us standing by our Mom in the divorce...I won't even go into all that. But I will never cut him any slack for his behavior. He brought it all about himself. Every. single. thing.
 
MeoW333 said:
Do you think that the woman he has in his life now would go to extremes for him? Especially if he changed his will for her or anything like that?
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I don't know her well enough to say. So, I rule nothing out.
 
KivaSupporter said:
Hello everyone,

I have been reading your posts and thinking about various scenarios. I would love to help.

I was thinking along the same lines as MeoW.

Rita, would your mom open the door for this woman? Do you think a man or men might have been hiding in the car/truck and her role was just to get your mom to open the door?
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That situation has come up in our conversations, but I KNOW she would not open the door to THIS woman - no way.
 
raeann said:
A question for anyone who might remember......had PK changed her clothes after arriving home from her outing with friends? Were the clothes she had worn out that day at the house, or are those the clothes that they believe she left the house wearing?

TIA
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LE has not released that information yet.
 
nursebeeme said:
Happy Thanksgiving, Rita. I pray for you and your family today and hope that answers come soon.
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Thank you - I hope that you and all who post here had a wonderful, blessed Thanksgiving.

It has been my mantra since we lost Taylor to truly hold on to those you love and live right, because we NEVER know what day will be our last - so we had Thanksgiving as usual (we didn't want to but we did), my 3 brothers and our families, and one news guy. God bless him, he called and asked if he could do a story on our Thanksgiving and we said YES!!! So he taped while we fixed our dinner and said the blessing and since he was working that day and had no family close, he stayed long enough to eat with us.

We do still have so much to be thankful for, but our lives will continue to be upside down until we find her.
 
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