I may have missed something, has LE clarified that the SI ping didn't happen?They also stated it pinged on Sauvie Island ...yet it did not.
Neither parking spot bothers me in the least. I HATE parking in the angled spots and I will walk from the middle of nowhere to avoid that! So parking at the outer edge nearest the road? Yep. I do that ALL the time!! Don't care what the weather is. Those are easier to get in and out of without dealing with parking spot hover crafts (the ones waiting for you to move), or the ones who get so close up to you that you CAN'T move! And the other spot, in photo one, also one I'd do. I do it daily. I just don't like to be in the ones closest to the store where the crazy drivers are!One of the many insinuations against Terri has to do with her parking at the two Fred Meyer stores she visited, the first one ca 9:00-9:15, the other ca 9:30-10:00. Here's a passage from the Rebecca Morris book Boy Missing:
From the same book:
So the implication is that Terri parked far away to prevent people and cameras from seeing what was inside the truck - Kyron, one would assume.
Back on August 11th 2010, the police released a flier with a set of images of a truck in various parking lots. A websleuther discovered embedded text to the two images from the Fred Meyer stores:
So I was curious just how far away these locations were from the store. I lined up the photos using Google Maps Street View as best as I could and marked the spots where Terri parked according to MCSO. First Fred Meyer at Imbrie/Cornelius Pass:
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Next we have Fred Meyer at Walker Road:
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I must say neither position is extremely distant to me, certainly not "as far from the stores' front doors as possible". There are many spots further away in both cases, especially Imbrie. Also, even with only half-full lots (as in my screenshots) you can see in the images that the areas where Terri parked are far from "deserted". Both places strike me as exactly the place you would park if you didn't want to be right in the thick of it, but also not too far away from the doors.
I think this can be chalked up to exaggeration.
Another interesting bit is that at both places, but Imbrie in particular, the distance would not shield the car from insight as customers could and would drive by on their way in and out. If a living Kyron was in the truck he would easily have been spotted when Terri and the baby were in the stores.
A dead Kyron in the truck comes with its own problems, including the fact that the police went over the truck and found nothing.
Neither parking spot bothers me in the least. I HATE parking in the angled spots and I will walk from the middle of nowhere to avoid that! So parking at the outer edge nearest the road? Yep. I do that ALL the time!! Don't care what the weather is. Those are easier to get in and out of without dealing with parking spot hover crafts (the ones waiting for you to move), or the ones who get so close up to you that you CAN'T move! And the other spot, in photo one, also one I'd do. I do it daily. I just don't like to be in the ones closest to the store where the crazy drivers are!
7/6/2023
- Police investigating the case found Terri’s phone pinged around Highway 30, an area known in Oregon as a road less traveled.
Due to the location of the cell tower, law enforcement would have been remiss not to search Sauvie Island. There would have been a huge public outcry if at least some of those searches hadn't happened. Also, Terri had failed three polygraphs, so I don't think law enforcement was inclined to believe what she had to say in emails to friends.
Everyone knows that they searched and searched Sauvie Island, but they also searched the areas that fall within the tower's radius on the other side of Highway 30.
Snipped quote Pg 57: At 9:40 a.m. she was on video leaving another Fred Meyer, on Southwest Walker Road. Police studied the footage from the stores. It was curious. The outdoor surveillance cameras showed Terri driving and Kayla in the child seat in the back. Due to the angle of the camera, it was impossible to tell if anyone else was in the vehicle and if Kyron’s booster seat was empty. Terri parked Kaine’s truck away from the stores’ entrances. Not in an effort to avoid a ding from another car; there were plenty of places to park to avoid that. She parked in areas as far from the stores front doors as possible, deserted areas with no other vehicles nearby. And no cameras. She told police that Kaine liked to park a long way from store entrances, so she did too. Kaine scoffed when police asked him if that was true.
Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
The parking spot at the Fred Meyer, Beaverton, is the more interesting to me of the two spots.
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Plus there's a side walk right above it. If concealment was Terri's reason for parking so far away from the store entrance, there was a risk someone on foot may have been able to see into the truck from above. Maybe she reasoned is was less riskier to park there than other spaces, but there was still that chance.If they factored in the polygraphs in their decision making, that's clear evidence of incompetence, and goes a long way to explain why they've failed so miserably for the past 13 years.
Rememberm Gary Ridgway passed his polygraph, while Bill Wegerle (whose wife was later proven to have been killed by BTK) failed his. These idiotic toys are not just useless, they are actively damaging society.
But they went to Sauvie Island (after only having searched an expanding area around the school) on June 11th, a week after the abduction, while they didn't search the mainland side until January 2011, almost eight months after. I suspect they realized their misinterpretation of the pings sometime in or after December 2010.
Just pointing out the facts, flyers were handed out months after Desiree supposedly was told the above, and on that flyer people were asked about the truck at the Walker Road Fred Meyer at 10:00 am, which means the 9:40 am time given by Rebecca Morris in the quote above is wrong. Terri was inside the Fred Meyer, even talking to a witness between 9:30 and 10:00.
Yes, it's remarkable how actually seeing pictures of where Terri parked show just how exaggerated the Morris book is. Look, there's a car right beside where Terri parked, even at what seems like less than busy hour. How is this strange again?
The flyers were released and distributed by MCSO in quick succession in relation to how events were unfolding.
The first flyer featuring two pictures of Terri, one of Kaine's F250, and one of Kyron was released on June 18, 2010. Law enforcement allowed people a few days to return the flyer understanding it takes time for information to be gathered.
However, fourteen days after her stepson "disappeared", law enforcement had released a flyer asking if anyone at the school on June 4, 2010, had seen Terri, Kyron, or the F250 between 8 AM and 4 PM. Clearly, law enforcement was gathering information.
During the 18th of June and the 8th or 9th of August, Terri's husband had taken their daughter, filed for divorce, and moved to a hidden location. Her friend, DeDe, moved into Kaine's house. Terri hired a "lawyer extraordinaire" and sent her sexting partner Kaine's secret address. DeDe purchased at least one burner phone and kindly drove Terri to lawyer appointments.
Law enforcement discovered that DeDe had left her place of work and was unaccounted for during the same time period that Terri said she was driving the baby around unmemorable "hilly" roads.
Law enforcement searched DeDe's condo, her Aunt's property in Helevtia, and the lavender farm where she was working.
DeDe was subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury. One picture law enforcement used on the flyer was a picture of her taken as she left the courthouse after not being called as a witness.
For a long time, they pursued her, feeling quite sure that she might have played a role in Kyron’s disappearance. They are now pretty sure that is not true, though they believe she might have some knowledge.
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DeDe asserted that she had been approached recently by law enforcement about trying to get Terri on the phone to see if she would incriminate herself.
Several people were dismissive of that because the DA’s office has told the sheriff’s office not to try and do sting operations on people who are already lawyered up – and Terri fits into that category.
As it turns out, it turns out DeDe was playing it straight – she had been approached and she turned them down.
It was a development that left several people familiar with the investigation shaking their heads. Given DeDe’s believed closeness to Terri, was it really worth the risk?
The second flyer featuring three pictures of Kaine's F250, three pictures of Terri, and three pictures of DeDe was released on August 8 or 9, 2010. In the flyer, law enforcement asked residents of the NW Germantown Road loop area if anyone had seen Terri, DeDe, or the F250 in the general vicinity between approximately 9:45 AM and 1:00 PM.
Days later, law enforcement released the third flyer during a press conference on August 11, 2010. They were asking for the public's assistance, giving approximate times and locations with four focuses.
1st focus: Had anyone seen the F250 at Skyline School "between approximately 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m." parked at certain locations?
2nd focus: Did anyone see any person in or around the vehicle at those locations during that approximate time period?
3rd focus: (This focus had two parts).
The first part: Fred Meyer, Hillsboro at "approximately 9 AM;" and Fred Meyer, Beaverton at "approximately 10 AM."
The second part: "Skyline Blvd. between approximately Springville Road and Newberry Road, including on or around Germantown Road and/or old Germantown Road at "approximately 10:15 a.m. to 11:30 a.m." (Where DeDe worked).
Law enforcement was seeking information at the times they issued each flyer and all times referred to by them were approximate. The information they gathered would eventually fill in the timeline which law enforcement has never released. (Maybe we get a hint of the truth from Desiree).
As well, law enforcement has surveillance videos from each Fred Meyer store.
And AL says she ran into Terri with the baby sick in her arms between 9:30 AM and 10 AM. I don't hear a firm time, there. How can we be sure it wasn't earlier than 9:30 AM or later than 10 AM? If she has firm proof of the time, I have never heard it. Maybe there is CCTV footage.
I lean towards Terri being involved in Kyron's disappearance but I have no faith in lie detector tests and IMO good detectives use them only as a tool to get an idea if someone is telling the truth, not the end-all be-all that too many detectives make decisions on about a person's guilt or innocence. Sociopaths can and do pass polygraphs - we know that- and innocent people fail them- we know that. that is why they are not admissible in court- they are not reliable truth-telling machines.Plus there's a side walk right above it. If concealment was Terri's reason for parking so far away from the store entrance, there was a risk someone on foot may have been able to see into the truck from above. Maybe she reasoned is was less riskier to park there than other spaces, but there was still that chance.
I personally like parking away from the door and near a carriage return. I always return my shopping cart.
Also, when I worked at a grocery store, we were required to park along the perimeter and leave the closer spots to the door for customers, so there's a possibility she would have also taken a risk by parking in a spot like that, that an employee might park nearby. I concede that parking rule may not apply to all retail establishments, but back in the day, in my neck of the woods, it was customary for employees to do this.
I just find it difficult to attribute a nefarious motive for her parking where she did. It's not like the parking spot was a half mile away in some bushes.
Not too far from NW Old Germantown Road is it ...For discussion purposes only, Desiree explained that she believes Terri's choice of parking spots had nothing to do with an effort to avoid a ding. Terri told police that Kaine liked to park far from the store entrances so she liked to do as Kaine did. Kaine found that to be a scoff-worthy statement.
Snipped quote Pg 57: At 9:40 a.m. she was on video leaving another Fred Meyer, on Southwest Walker Road. Police studied the footage from the stores. It was curious. The outdoor surveillance cameras showed Terri driving and Kayla in the child seat in the back. Due to the angle of the camera, it was impossible to tell if anyone else was in the vehicle and if Kyron’s booster seat was empty. Terri parked Kaine’s truck away from the stores’ entrances. Not in an effort to avoid a ding from another car; there were plenty of places to park to avoid that. She parked in areas as far from the stores front doors as possible, deserted areas with no other vehicles nearby. And no cameras. She told police that Kaine liked to park a long way from store entrances, so she did too. Kaine scoffed when police asked him if that was true.
Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
The parking spot at the Fred Meyer, Beaverton, is the more interesting to me of the two spots.
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It isn't far at all--about 7.5 miles. About 20 minutes of driving time, but I think that could be due to some fairly sharp curves in the road.Not too far from NW Old Germantown Road is it ...
For some reason they can't seem to move away from her because nothing points to an alibi or to her innocence. mOO