Kyron's doctors appointment

[Tink56]

Maybe I missed someone posting about this, but isn't it odd that DY and KH did not know about the Dr's appointment? If I suspected that a child had a seizure disorder, the birth mother would be one of the first on the list to inform and from whom to seek information. I believe there is a genetic link in epilepsy, but I'm sure some of the more informed can clarify this point.

The whole idea of mini-seizures without consulting DY seems bizarre.

 

[Tink56]

Also, is it possible that Kaine was resistant to the idea that something was wrong with Kyron, and Terri made the doctor's appointment without his knowledge?

The doctor's appointment should be easy enough to confirm, even if Terri made the appointment without Kaine's knowledge. Kaine has always been a bit weirdly cagey about the appointment, IMHO, and there are vague references to whatever was going on with Kyron being more discipline/behavior related issues. What if Terri believed otherwise?

Honestly, whether she made up the symptoms or not, I don't believe Terri would make up a fake doctor's appointment and then fail to schedule it, and there are other indications, by the bio parents, that something was amiss with Kyron.

Whoops! Just saw this. However, I would l think despite KH's feelings, I would have consulted the BM to see if she has seen any of the symtoms.

 

[carbuff]

Maybe I missed someone posting about this, but isn't it odd that DY and KH did not know about the Dr's appointment? If I suspected that a child had a seizure disorder, the birth mother would be one of the first on the list to inform and from whom to seek information. I believe there is a genetic link in epilepsy, but I'm sure some of the more informed can clarify this point.

The whole idea of mini-seizures without consulting DY seems bizarre.

Unless TH figured that she'd wait until after the doctor's appointment, so she didn't have to worry DY over something that was a false alarm.

It's not clear to me from what he's said whether KH knew or not. I thought he was a bit cagey about it. I suspect it's one of those domestic things (note, this is purely speculation on my part, based on the way they've behaved in the press conferences):

TH: "Darling, I made K's appointment for next Friday. I'll have to take him out of school, but they can't get him in any sooner."

KH (reading sports section): "That's nice, dear."

TH: "You will remember to tell DY about it, won't you?"

KH: "Sure."

KH, later, getting into car: "Now what was that she told me? Pick up milk? Didn't I do that last night?"

 

[wondering1]

I was also struck by the "12 hours" thing. Because what time must he go to bed if he sleeps that long? The school bell apparently rings at 8:45. I would imagine he could catch the bus no later than 8:15, to be there when the school opens at 8:35. So let's say he wakes up at 7:30. That means he goes to bed at 7:30? Yes, it's true that people often do put their kids to bed early to get some peace in the evenings.

But maybe he doesn't sleep the full 12 hours. He could stay awake in bed for an hour or two, or maybe wakes up at 5:30 and "waits to be gotten out of bed"? (If he does wake up extra early, that could be a legitimate reason for having a rule that he wait in his room. They wouldn't want him either waking them up or wandering the house unsupervised.)

JMO

fwiw, both of my kids sleep/slept ~12 hours (going to bed at around 7:30) on weekdays at that age. My son, who is almost exactly kyron's age, will easily sleep until 10 or later on the weekends. My daughter, who is older, will do the same. But she goes to bed later now, too, so she can be asleep till noon'ish on the weekends. We are ALL excellent sleepers lol. I remember having to wake my mother up for work when I was in HS. And it's not because she was a bad parent, she didn't drink AT ALL or stay up until all hours. Just a regular working Mom. She was just an *excellent sleeper*, too Of course, I have no idea if that's what was the situation in the Horman home. Just sayin' it's possible for this to be normal.

Otoh, I don't make my kids wait in bed for me to come get them. I did get the impression that there's a reason why this is a habit, and a very...umm..active sex life comes to mind given what we know about TH. I bet that would have changed when baby k came along, too, and probably helped tank the marriage. jms

 

[grandmaj]

The only ones that we can sleuth at this time are TH and DDS. They haven't been officially named by LE as suspects, but Tricia feels that there is enough MSM information out there to allow them to be sleuthed.

As for anyone else, you can make your own assumptions about their behavior, but it must be backed up by something you've seen in the MSM. This makes it hard because WW is coming out with all sorts of "family issue" type reporting. Just make sure you are staying within the realm of what is being reported as you post. Blatant statements that victims are responsible for Kyron's disappearance are not allowed unless something is reported in the MSM that makes such a statement.

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I'm seeing all kinds of assumptions which are not supported by anything we have read in MSM. Please we need to get back on track these reminders were posted 3 days ago and posting practices have not changed to comply. I'm done warning....... I'm also seeing Kyron diagnosed here with no backup from MSM that he has some of the conditions/problems being thrown around. We are not into creating rumors here.

 

[gliving]

From babycenter.com: 7 years old need 9.5 to 11.5 hours of sleep at night.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

...As for the 12 hrs of sleep, maybe he was just put to bed early to "get him out of the way". I am still stuck on "he sat in bed every morning till he was told to get out of bed or was come and gotten from bed." THAT is not normal for a child his age. Only children including my own I have ever been around that stayed in their bed until they were come and gotten were in a crib that they couldn't climb out of. JMO Makes me wonder if the discipline in that home wasn't rather harsh. Maybe it was a "rule" for him to stay in bed until he was come and gotten?
We have no idea what the discipline was in that home. Perhaps Kaine as well as Terri wanted Kyron and Baby K in bed at a very early hour so they would have some peace and quiet. There's no telling what some parents do.
I don't know any parents who require or expect their child to sleep 12 hours.
abbie

Respectfully edited. What if Kyron had to go to the bathroom when he woke in the morning or during the night? Was he not allowed to get out of bed to relieve himself, or did he have to wait until someone came to get him? After 12 hours in bed, most children and adults would need to go to the bathroom.

Since Desiree mentioned that Kyron slept for 12+ hours and waited in bed for someone to get him up, it seems like this was the practice in both homes. The long hours in bed and having to stay there until someone came to give permission for a 7-year-old to get out of bed just doesn't "feel" right to me. jmo

 

[PaulaF513]

bbm

That's my feeling as well.

Some time ago a video of Kyron was posted. He was in a school play, where the children were singing. IMO, he showed distinctive signs of ADD...such as looking all around and behind him, out-of-step with the others and plainly inattentive. Not being an expert by any means, just observing what seemed odd to me at the time.

 

[tlcya]

On the not getting out of bed thing, if indeed it is a fact, I don't have enough info to decide if that is unusual or not. I would need to know the layout of the home and the sleeping arrangments of those in it before deciding.

If Kyron had to access or egress his room by going through someone else's or by exitting his room would disrupt Baby K's routine I could see him being discouraged from getting up unless necessary (drink, potty, emergency, etc) when it was not time to arise for school. I just don't have enough information on the layout of the home and who was where to decide if I find this odd or not.

ETA Ihave a 6 year old son who is not diagnosed or suspected to have ADD or ADHD. That said, he has dificulty settling in for bedtime and does require at least 10 hours a night to be rested and not a bear the next day. I spend about an hour each night dealing with the repeated getting out of bed for manufactured reasons. On average he gets up 5 to 8 times before finally realizing I am serious and he may as well do as told and go to sleep. My son recently performed in a school program. His behavior was exactly as Calliope described Kyron's in the video she referenced.

Point I am making is. I see no evidence that Kyron had any ADD or anything else but rather found him very like my own son in those ways.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Wait till we hear of "the Dr." being at the GJ, we'll really be spinnin. Was he there confirming the appt? Was he there saying there was never a conversation concerning Kyron. Was paperwork ever picked up at the Dr's to bring to the school? We'll have a field day with that one. IMO

 

[grandmaj]

Who has a link that Kyron possibly was diagnosed by a medical professional with ADD? If you don't have a link do not post it.......

 

[carbuff]

The only ones that we can sleuth at this time are TH and DDS. They haven't been officially named by LE as suspects, but Tricia feels that there is enough MSM information out there to allow them to be sleuthed.

As for anyone else, you can make your own assumptions about their behavior, but it must be backed up by something you've seen in the MSM. This makes it hard because WW is coming out with all sorts of "family issue" type reporting. Just make sure you are staying within the realm of what is being reported as you post. Blatant statements that victims are responsible for Kyron's disappearance are not allowed unless something is reported in the MSM that makes such a statement.

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I'm seeing all kinds of assumptions which are not supported by anything we have read in MSM. Please we need to get back on track these reminders were posted 3 days ago and posting practices have not changed to comply. I'm done warning....... I'm also seeing Kyron diagnosed here with no backup from MSM that he has some of the conditions/problems being thrown around. We are not into creating rumors here.

I'm trying to rephrase a couple of my posts to clarify/remove the offending statements, but I don't seem to be able to. Does that mean you're doing it? If so, thanks.

I'm sorry I got careless with the wording...

 

[Billylee]

Could this whole case come down to a matter of she said/she said?

Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html


You know, by now for sure LE knows whether or not there was a doctor's appointment on the 11th of June. So, let's say there was and that it had been made prior to June 4th. The next question is WAS there a piece of paper called an absentee form ever filled out and presented to Kyron's teacher? Isn't it interesting that this question has never been answered yet?

Now, if TH is telling the truth, then it boils down to whether or not a simple absentee form for Kyron for the 11th existed or not, and whether or not TH gave it to Ms. Porter the morning of the 3rd or 4th. Correct?

Because if TH had done that, then Ms. P would have not marked Kyron absent on the 4th, because she had a piece of paper saying it was the 11th. However, if Ms. Porter never received the piece of paper, Kyron would have been marked absent, but a call would/or should have gone out to the home, no matter what she may have heard. Without that piece of paper for an excused absence, a call would have been made. Correct?

So it comes down to one of two things, either Ms. Porter never received the document and TH lied about it, and Ms. Porter should have reported Kyron absent without permission,

OR, Ms. P did receive the document, thought it was for that day (for whatever reason, saw the word Friday, didn't check the date, whatever, and shoved it in her pocket and due to the hectic day just didn't bother looking at it a second time. Now, it's afternoon, and Kyron goes missing.

Ms. Porter, according to the above is confronted with TH (and probably KH) TH tells the teacher (according to the above statement) "I gave you the absentee note for the 11th, not the 4th, why did you mark my son absent? Don't you think Ms. P would produce the note and that would be the end of that? Unless, unless, Ms. P when contacted by the school secretary (I'm assuming that's who'd initally contacted her about Kyron missing) then, looked at the note for the 11th, realized she'd made the mistake of marking Kyron absent on the wrong day, and to cover her butt and her school district's butt, she tossed the note and said "you never gave me any note for any day, what are you talking about?" ( Wouldn't we all have liked to have been a fly on the wall during that conversation?)

Does this whole issue of who is responsible for Kyron's disappearance boil down to a piece of paper?

Does anyone know if those absentee forms are printed on a duplicate type paper?

 

[STEADFAST]

So, Terri told Finster that the teacher thought she'd taken Kyron to the doctor that day because Ms Porter was mistaken about what day Kyron's appointment was for. But there's a little bit more of a complication, since Terri emailed her friend that the teacher thought Terri was taking Kyron to an appointment for BabyK on June 4.

"'The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor’s appt.,' she wrote on June 5, 2010. 'I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up?'" http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

 

[Billylee]

So, Terri told Finster that the teacher thought she'd taken Kyron to the doctor that day because Ms Porter was mistaken about what day Kyron's appointment was for. But there's a little bit more of a complication, since Terri emailed her friend that the teacher thought Terri was taking Kyron to an appointment for BabyK on June 4.

"'The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor’s appt.,' she wrote on June 5, 2010. 'I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up?'" http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

that's interesting, I always looked at that statement as the appointment being for Kyron (with baby K going). Hmmm?

 

[STEADFAST]

that's interesting, I always looked at that statement as the appointment being for Kyron (with baby K going). Hmmm?

The phrase " . . . going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor’s appt" could be interpreted either way. Just seems strange to even bring BabyK into it if the subject of the conversation was Kyron. AND the email implies that the said appointment was for that day.

Well, actually, the email implies that Terri is claiming she said, "I'm going to look at other exhibits," and Ms Porter heard, "I'm going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor's appointment."

 

[jadejazzkayla]

So, Terri told Finster that the teacher thought she'd taken Kyron to the doctor that day because Ms Porter was mistaken about what day Kyron's appointment was for. But there's a little bit more of a complication, since Terri emailed her friend that the teacher thought Terri was taking Kyron to an appointment for BabyK on June 4.

"'The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor’s appt.,' she wrote on June 5, 2010. 'I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up?'" http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

bbm.


the bolded statement attributed to terri does not say the appt was FOR baby k as you say in your statement.

 

[eyes4crime]

The phrase " . . . going to take Kyron with K**** for a doctor’s appt" could be interpreted either way. Just seems strange to even bring BabyK into it if the subject of the conversation was Kyron. AND the email implies that the said appointment was for that day.

confusion over the Drs appt is one area I would love cleared up...it presents as suspicious to me. That and Terri's drive through the remote roads. Those two areas keep me on the fence and from seeing her as innocent in all this. moo mho

 

[cluciano63]

I thought that Skyline did not call home when a student was absent? Or did they only do it at the close of the day? I can't recall now...if they did not call home as policy, then no one would have been alerted any sooner to Kyron being gone, right?

 

[Billylee]

If Ms. Porter never received a absentee consent form, then would it not have been standard to mark Kyron absent, BUT a phone call would be made to the parents because it was an unexcused absence?

And, if she DID receive the absentee consent form, where IS it, and why would she answer to TH, "I thought the appointment was for today". Why not just produce the document and clear herself for marking Kyron with an excused absence?