GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

[Woe.be.gone]

The Kenner house was owned by grandmother* or could even have been MAS's great grandmother depending on who her mother is and how young she was when MAS was born. *There is a special property tax record from 2003 listed in her name online.

Grandmother had six sons and five daughters, one of whose name is Margaret, born in 1957. Grandmother's husband died in 1965.

Grandmother was born in 1918 and died in January of 2005. One son preceded her in death by 373 days in 2004. He was 53. No children are named in his Obit.

Since MAS last name is 'Sanchez', she could be the daughter of one of the six sons or she could be the daughter of one of the five daughters before they were married. MAS may not have the surname of her bio father.

Theoretically, since MAS was born in 1984, she could be the daughter of one of the eleven children or the daughter of one of the eleven's children. That's possible if MAS's mother was a teenager when she gave birth to MAS.

So, if the story of TCS cutting up the walls has any truth to it, TCS would have had to be in Kenner in January of 2005. Another possibility is that if one of the daughter's died recently who is in actuality MAS's grandmother. Margaret is the youngest daughter and was born in 1957.
She'll turn 55 in October. She has four older sisters.

 

[hurricaneangel]

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Thanks for replying(and believe me i can relate to the tablet difficulties&absolutely despise the mess of a keyboard&obsessive autocorrect:crazy: )...in just now having a few mins to read back thru the last 100 or so posts i was able to locate the link I believe Mrs. Bungi posted:
http://www.abc26.com/news/local/wgno-jarensuspectsmetairie-070412,0,3318481.story

And yes you were absolutely correct that it was a wgno article
Now as far as the vandalism regarding Speaks inside the Kenner home... i now am seriously wondering if i somehow dreamed that additional info of the supposed cause for the Kenner home eviction:what:????...cuz i certainly am not seeing ANYTHING that even remotely says Speaks in any way caused damage to the interior of the Kenner home :crazy:..lol.. oh well I'll keep searching around and please if any one has any clue where i may have come up with this "vandalism" re: Speaks/Kenner home idea please don't hesitate to post.. lol.. for now I'm going to have to assume i some how have dreamed up this little particular detail of vandalism.. lol.. hhehehehe! :blushing:

you are not dreaming. i read on here that he gouged walls and i commented on this to the poster,that it was likely a retaliation
for getting kicked out. i do not know where the info came from.

 

[hurricaneangel]

The Kenner house was owned by grandmother* or could even have been MAS's great grandmother depending on who her mother is and how young she was when MAS was born. *There is a special property tax record from 2003 listed in her name online.

Grandmother had six sons and five daughters, one of whose name is Margaret, born in 1957. Grandmother's husband died in 1965.

Grandmother was born in 1918 and died in January of 2005. One son preceded her in death by 373 days in 2004. He was 53. No children are named in his Obit.

Since MAS last name is 'Sanchez', she could be the daughter of one of the six sons or she could be the daughter of one of the five daughters before they were married. MAS may not have the surname of her bio father.

Theoretically, since MAS was born in 1984, she could be the daughter of one of the eleven children or the daughter of one of the eleven's children. That's possible if MAS's mother was a teenager when she gave birth to MAS.

So, if the story of TCS cutting up the walls has any truth to it, TCS would have had to be in Kenner in January of 2005. Another possibility is that if one of the daughter's died recently who is in actuality MAS's grandmother. Margaret is the youngest daughter and was born in 1957.
She'll turn 55 in October. She has four older sisters.

do not get it. why would tcs have to be there before jan 2005 ?

 

[bessie]

The Kenner house was owned by grandmother* or could even have been MAS's great grandmother depending on who her mother is and how young she was when MAS was born. *There is a special property tax record from 2003 listed in her name online.

Grandmother had six sons and five daughters, one of whose name is Margaret, born in 1957. Grandmother's husband died in 1965.

Grandmother was born in 1918 and died in January of 2005. One son preceded her in death by 373 days in 2004. He was 53. No children are named in his Obit.

Since MAS last name is 'Sanchez', she could be the daughter of one of the six sons or she could be the daughter of one of the five daughters before they were married. MAS may not have the surname of her bio father.

Theoretically, since MAS was born in 1984, she could be the daughter of one of the eleven children or the daughter of one of the eleven's children. That's possible if MAS's mother was a teenager when she gave birth to MAS.

So, if the story of TCS cutting up the walls has any truth to it, TCS would have had to be in Kenner in January of 2005. Another possibility is that if one of the daughter's died recently who is in actuality MAS's grandmother. Margaret is the youngest daughter and was born in 1957.
She'll turn 55 in October. She has four older sisters.

The house belonged to MAS' grandmother. MAS's father is one of the sons. I can't link it, so take it FWIW.


ETA: I get it now. Grandmother died in 2005.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Okay so they were arrested on Tuesday, stayed overnight at the friend's house the night before, Monday night. The previous Thursday and Saturday Jaren's body parts washed ashore. They obviously knew they were toast. The question remains as to why they, or at least TCS, didn't immediately run.

By the time they were at the friend's house, the news had been out for several days that a body had washed ashore. Had they stayed in the Kenner house the previous Wednesday through Sunday nights? There must be some way for LE to measure electricity use, computer use, landline use, covering those days and compare to previous weeks days. Maybe water meter usage skyrocketed over those next few days indicating a big cleanup occurred.

What date did authorities confirm the body was Jaren's? It would have been shortly after that when they began to show the video of them in Temptations on TV. They may have thought they had an extra day not contemplating the couple who they barged in on would call LE.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The house belonged to MAS' grandmother. MAS's father is one of the sons. I can't link it, so take it FWIW.


ETA: I get it now. Grandmother died in 2005.

Thanks, I didn't know we knew the exact connection MAS had to the house. It would have been a lot easier if I had just asked - lol!

Yes, my point was that her Grandmother, the owner of the house, has been gone going on eight years as she died in January of 2005.

My sympathy is with MAS's family too as I'm sure they would not wish this on anyone or expect it from someone in their family
even if they were aware of MAS's problems. As far as I know, she has no prior record involving anything criminal.
Her alleged involvement may be due to her connection to TCS and the drugs. He hasn't been charged either.

We have to keep in mind, that no arrest has been made charging MAS with Jaren's murder.

 

[bessie]

June 9, 2012

"We have identified her as the missing woman from New Orleans [Jaren Lockhart] based on the recovered limbs," Glenn Grannan, Chief Investigator, said.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news...an/-/12537462/14756588/-/m5hw3qz/-/index.html

LE mentioned the video on June 10th, and the video was released on June 12th.

Updated: Jun 10, 2012 1:58 PM CDT
A south Mississippi sheriff's investigator is hoping surveillance video from Bourbon Street in New Orleans will provide clues about the death of a strip club dancer whose dismembered body washed ashore on the Gulf Coast.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/18749701/videos-may-hold-clues-in-strip-club-dancers-death

11:36 PM CDT Jun 11, 2012
NEW ORLEANS - Hancock County investigators are pouring over surveillance tapes and consulting with tide experts to find out when and where the body of a Mid-City woman was dumped after she was killed.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news...lub/-/9853400/14781160/-/w9ouf1z/-/index.html

6:23 PM CDT Jun 12, 2012 NEW ORLEANS -
New Orleans police released surveillance video that shows two people they are looking for in connection with the case of a Mid-City woman who was gruesomely killed last week

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news...ased/-/9853400/14787956/-/douq6d/-/index.html


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Jaren Lockhart - Timeline and Media Links - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Woe.be.gone]

do not get it. why would tcs have to be there before jan 2005 ?

Did you read the post from two days ago when someone said that TCS had come out with a knife and cut the walls of the Kenner house after the Grandmother's funeral?

I looked for the post, but must not have gone back far enough. Or because it is rumor, it may have been deleted. Sorry for the confusion but I thought I remembered that the grandma died years ago. The poster made it sound as if that had been a recent behavior of TCS that MAS's family witnessed.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Bessie, was the claim that TCS acted out in the Kenner home deleted?

I certainly didn't dream it and I didn't tell the story either. The comment caused me to want to verify when the Grandmother had died because iirc the post said it had been earlier this year.

Peeps must know by now, I have no connection to anybody involved in this case - only trying to line up the facts and be fair to all sides. I really want LE to uncover who murdered Jaren but if it's bigger than TCS and MAS I want them to find that out too.

 

[bessie]

It was a rumor, and the member deleted the post. Let's leave it at that.

ETA: Congratulations, WBG. You've debunked the rumor.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Sorry peeps. I have a bad habit of not reading all the way until I'm caught up before posting replies. Plus I have a serious, taxing issue going on in my own life right now so I'll read tomorrow when I'm, hopefully, fresher. Maybe I'll make more sense then. lease:

 

[bessie]

I hope everything works out well, WBG. :hug:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry peeps. I have a bad habit of not reading all the way until I'm caught up before posting replies. Plus I have a serious, taxing issue going on in my own life right now so I'll read tomorrow when I'm, hopefully, fresher. Maybe I'll make more sense then. lease:

no apologies necessary wbg.. you actually make perfect sense once its understood what the original claim was regarding Speaks gouging walls in the Kenner home supposedly after grandmas funeral.. it was that end piece that was missing for most of us.. but now in knowing the entirety of what was claimed .. you thoroughly sleuthed out and just as bessie said youve debunked the rumor.:rocker:

Good work as always wbg. You've put alot of time in on Jaren's threads and its much appreciated:hug:.hoping your real life taxing issue isn't something serious and can quickly resolve itself:blowkiss:

 

[2LuckyDogs]

Agree - pier in the picture looks like one from here. There were still the large pipes (used to pump sand from the Pass) on the beach the day Jaren was found. LE was actually looking in them at one point. Seems like they would have dropped her off around the marsh areas by the concrete pier - almost to Clermont Harbor. Wouldn't be noticed because people are always stopped for night fishing and crabbing. You could walk up to area with a ice chest and no one would think anything of it.

One of the 2 places that reminded me of a possible photo spot of JL and her little girl on the beach continued to play over and over in my mind since I first saw the photo. Then it hit me as I was sitting on the deck looking out at the Gulf of Mexico. I can see the trees on the Barrier Islands one of which being Ship Island. It was to me like looking at a carbon copy of the trees in the photo. So then I was off thinking about the pier. The pier that comes to mind is the one between Island View Casino and Long Beach. A camera on zoom could very well capture the trees and the pier if taken from the right angle.

Not sure if you travel Hwy 90 between Gulfport and Long Beach but would appreciate a second set of eyes for your input. As my husband, sister and I were headed towards Biloxi Saturday, I showed them the picture on Justice 4 Jaren website and they both thought it could be a possible photo spot.

It could just be my imagination getting the best of me. I will make every attempt to take a picture from the location I have in mind next weekend to share to get everyone's thoughts as I did not think my Blackberry could capture like a camera would.

 

[75Scout]

The Kenner house was owned by grandmother* or could even have been MAS's great grandmother depending on who her mother is and how young she was when MAS was born. *There is a special property tax record from 2003 listed in her name online.

Grandmother had six sons and five daughters, one of whose name is Margaret, born in 1957. Grandmother's husband died in 1965.

Grandmother was born in 1918 and died in January of 2005. One son preceded her in death by 373 days in 2004. He was 53. No children are named in his Obit.

Since MAS last name is 'Sanchez', she could be the daughter of one of the six sons or she could be the daughter of one of the five daughters before they were married. MAS may not have the surname of her bio father.

Theoretically, since MAS was born in 1984, she could be the daughter of one of the eleven children or the daughter of one of the eleven's children. That's possible if MAS's mother was a teenager when she gave birth to MAS.

So, if the story of TCS cutting up the walls has any truth to it, TCS would have had to be in Kenner in January of 2005. Another possibility is that if one of the daughter's died recently who is in actuality MAS's grandmother. Margaret is the youngest daughter and was born in 1957.
She'll turn 55 in October. She has four older sisters.

MS' grandmother's middle initial was not P, it was C, search that and you will find that she died February 12, 2012, not 2005.

This is very important.

While I do not wish to rumor-monger, but I also think that this is a potentially viable part of this case, and should be considered, albeit with a grain of salt. While I do not have any links, I heard that after the funeral THIS YEAR, the family was remodeling one room in the Kenner House. It was at this point that TS pulled out a large knife and began tearing apart the walls, according to the rumor, at which point family members became alarmed at his aggressive behavior.

I heard this rumor secondhand, keep in mind, from someone who claims to be close to MS' family. This may or may not be true, but should be one of the 'ifs' we consider when looking rationally at this case, IMO.

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

Thanks, I didn't know we knew the exact connection MAS had to the house. It would have been a lot easier if I had just asked - lol!

Yes, my point was that her Grandmother, the owner of the house, has been gone going on eight years as she died in January of 2005.

My sympathy is with MAS's family too as I'm sure they would not wish this on anyone or expect it from someone in their family
even if they were aware of MAS's problems. As far as I know, she has no prior record involving anything criminal.
Her alleged involvement may be due to her connection to TCS and the drugs. He hasn't been charged either.

We have to keep in mind, that no arrest has been made charging MAS with Jaren's murder.

It seems as though the pace of the discussions slowed a bit once the speculation was made that MAS and Jaren may have been casual acquaintances with TCS being in the picture since he hooked up with MAS. That would easily change some of the scenarios, especially those involving a premeditated hunt for a "victim". If the three knew each other from working in close proximity in the FQ, which is very likely, then why did LE need to ask the public for help in identifying MAS and TS in the Temptations video? This is where I think Jaren's case becomes just the tip of the iceberg- an mass of ice involving illegal drugs, possibly prostitution, and associations with organized crime that comes with life in a Bourbon St. strip club. That would explain a hesitance on the part of those from their scene to have identified the last two people seen with Jaren prior to the release of the video on the news. It would also explain why the Temptations dancer, whose conversation I overheard in line at a store in Metairie, was worried about her safety and was quitting her job at the club, in spite of the fact that MAS and TS were being held in jail in Tangipihoa(sp?).

And that might help solve other crimes linked to FQ dancers and/or TS's past and place MAS as only a minor character in a story much bigger than any she has ever created.

I think answers to three questions already posted in these threads would really help to move the case along. Had Jaren ever been to a specific location on the MS coast with other dancers or MAS before? If Jaren and her fiance were battling some drug dependencies, were they getting any from MAS or TS? And did Jaren carry any kind of knife for self protection?

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

MS' grandmother's middle initial was not P, it was C, search that and you will find that she died February 12, 2012, not 2005.

This is very important.

While I do not wish to rumor-monger, but I also think that this is a potentially viable part of this case, and should be considered, albeit with a grain of salt. While I do not have any links, I heard that after the funeral THIS YEAR, the family was remodeling one room in the Kenner House. It was at this point that TS pulled out a large knife and began tearing apart the walls, according to the rumor, at which point family members became alarmed at his aggressive behavior.

I heard this rumor secondhand, keep in mind, from someone who claims to be close to MS' family. This may or may not be true, but should be one of the 'ifs' we consider when looking rationally at this case, IMO.

If you look at the list of the family names in the obits, MAS's grandmother died in 2005 after one of her uncles died in 2004. If you are familiar with New Orleans music scene, you can get info on one of her uncles who is highly respected and recognized. His mother's maiden name does not begin with a C.

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

Thanks, Bessie. I don't know if I'll ever figure out how to use all the tools on this tablet. Just give me an old-fashioned lap top:banghead:

 

[2LuckyDogs]

It seems as though the pace of the discussions slowed a bit once the speculation was made that MAS and Jaren may have been casual acquaintances with TCS being in the picture since he hooked up with MAS. That would easily change some of the scenarios, especially those involving a premeditated hunt for a "victim". If the three knew each other from working in close proximity in the FQ, which is very likely, then why did LE need to ask the public for help in identifying MAS and TS in the Temptations video? This is where I think Jaren's case becomes just the tip of the iceberg- an mass of ice involving illegal drugs, possibly prostitution, and associations with organized crime that comes with life in a Bourbon St. strip club. That would explain a hesitance on the part of those from their scene to have identified the last two people seen with Jaren prior to the release of the video on the news. It would also explain why the Temptations dancer, whose conversation I overheard in line at a store in Metairie, was worried about her safety and was quitting her job at the club, in spite of the fact that MAS and TS were being held in jail in Tangipihoa(sp?).

And that might help solve other crimes linked to FQ dancers and/or TS's past and place MAS as only a minor character in a story much bigger than any she has ever created.

I think answers to three questions already posted in these threads would really help to move the case along. Had Jaren ever been to a specific location on the MS coast with other dancers or MAS before? If Jaren and her fiance were battling some drug dependencies, were they getting any from MAS or TS? And did Jaren carry any kind of knife for self protection?

In an earlier post I made I believe it was #632, I was trying to inquire about the "crowd JL was running with lately" and an approximate age of this mystery man "J". My first thought was this is not a "good" crowd to be around.

 

[babycat]

One of the 2 places that reminded me of a possible photo spot of JL and her little girl on the beach continued to play over and over in my mind since I first saw the photo. Then it hit me as I was sitting on the deck looking out at the Gulf of Mexico. I can see the trees on the Barrier Islands one of which being Ship Island. It was to me like looking at a carbon copy of the trees in the photo. So then I was off thinking about the pier. The pier that comes to mind is the one between Island View Casino and Long Beach. A camera on zoom could very well capture the trees and the pier if taken from the right angle.

Not sure if you travel Hwy 90 between Gulfport and Long Beach but would appreciate a second set of eyes for your input. As my husband, sister and I were headed towards Biloxi Saturday, I showed them the picture on Justice 4 Jaren website and they both thought it could be a possible photo spot.

It could just be my imagination getting the best of me. I will make every attempt to take a picture from the location I have in mind next weekend to share to get everyone's thoughts as I did not think my Blackberry could capture like a camera would.

I live in Biloxi but travel that way fairly often, and that's the first spot that came to my mind, too. Looks like the Mississippi Gulf Coast, barrier islands, and similar piers