LE serves search warrant on family home #4

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You're right and I do remember that. But I mean -- go through it like they did yesterday, kwim? Like, really go through it. I know it's not practical or feasible each and every time. But when I rule the world, I'll make it so... :D

Belimom..I am voting for your ruling..more evidence might be retrieved.
 
Seems kind of simple, but now no way do I believe some intruder came in the house and grabbed the baby and 3 cell phones with no pacifier, blanket, bottle..nothing else....no way.

Maybe they did not want to have anything incrimi9nating from inside the home. Maybe they had their own baby stuff so they could try and hide her identity. If she is still alive and being cared for she is probably being dressed in blue overalls and baseball caps, and may have light brown hair.
 
But that would not apply to DB since she actually has a legal husband.

I'm trying to find the "rules" for family size for WIC. A friend of mine works over at WIC but she's in Oklahoma so would the rules be the same? Here is the link for MO WIC income guidelines: http://health.mo.gov/living/families/wic/eligibility_income.php

Average salary for electricians in KC is $43,000 per year (http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-electrician/l-kansas+city,+mo), which does meet the WIC standard for a family of 5. Wasn't it stated in the very beginning when Lisa was missing, in an article, that DB receives around $200 or something like that per month in child support? I don't remember off the top of my head but I thought I remember seeing that because someone had mentioned that she received a "pittance in child support." Regardless, she could receive up to around $400 a month in child support and still qualify for WIC if JI makes the average.
 
Maybe they did not want to have anything incrimi9nating from inside the home. Maybe they had their own baby stuff so they could try and hide her identity. If she is still alive and being cared for she is probably being dressed in blue overalls and baseball caps, and may have light brown hair.

Yes. Someone who wants a baby and plans to steal a baby would be prepared, I would think.
 
I'm trying to find the "rules" for family size for WIC. A friend of mine works over at WIC but she's in Oklahoma so would the rules be the same? Here is the link for MO WIC income guidelines: http://health.mo.gov/living/families/wic/eligibility_income.php

Average salary for electricians in KC is $43,000 per year (http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-electrician/l-kansas+city,+mo), which does meet the WIC standard for a family of 5. Wasn't it stated in the very beginning when Lisa was missing, in an article, that DB receives around $200 or something like that per month in child support? I don't remember off the top of my head but I thought I remember seeing that because someone had mentioned that she received a "pittance in child support." Regardless, she could receive up to around $400 a month in child support and still qualify for WIC if JI makes the average.

Been wondering for a while. What does WIC stand for? I was thinking Women In Crisis (that's what it is around here) at first but it doesn't seem to fit.

Never mind, lol. Should have done a quick search. Women, Infants and Children?
 
But DB is not her.

Not so sure I would think of running to a judge to beg for a search warrant at a time like this. That's LE's job. I honestly don't know how I would react if someone stole my baby from my home and at the same time having the world accusing me of being responsible when I'm innocent.

I don't know that she's innocent, but I'm not ready to deem her guilty because she drinks/drank, is an attention hound, or may be a little loopy.

Understandable...and I was one of her supporters in the beginning. I just feel she's guilty now.
 
I know I would. They can be very destructive.

If you want to come onto MY private property and start tearing into (80+ year old original) plaster walls and cutting into old-growth oak hardwood floors....well you are going to have to PAY for that :furious: if I am not found guilty. Plus pain and suffering (trust me...any old house owner knows what I am talking about....). Are taxpayers willing to fund this???

We have laws in this country against unlawful search and seizure and I for one am a fan. :twocents:

Wouldn't that be the least of your worries if your baby was missing?
 
And that's exactly what these parents are allowing and have given their full consent for LE to come and go as much and as often as they like..Parents have willingly given LE unfettered access to their home, property, vehicles and everything they own within those areas.. INCLUDING ALL THREE OF ALL OF THEIR CHILDREN's BELONGINGS, CLOTHES, AND KEEPSAKES!!

These parents gave willing consent allowing for both of their 6 and 8 yr old boys to be thoroughly interviewed and questioned by LE and those appointed by LE whose profession it is to speak and question children who may have beared witness to pretty horrific stuff.. These people have already questioned their children. Freely, willingly, allowing this to be done!! This is continued to be lied about and false information spread saying otherwise!! Deb was asked in the media blitz WOULD THEY ALLOW THEIR SONS TO BE QUESTIONED AGAIN?? AS IN MORE THAN ONCE.. THEY SAID NO, THEIR BOYS HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED/INTERVIEWED AND LE HAS THEIR FULL ACCOUNTS OF WHAT THE EVENTS OF THAT NIGHT WERE!!

So here's the important thing to that.. From that question and the answer the parents gave it has now been twisted into LE is seeking these children out to RE-QUESTION.. when there is not one statement LE has made requesting TO REQUESTION THE BOYS AGAIN!! this has been blown up by the media and further fueled by incorrect, misinformation being regurgitated repeatedly!!*

THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED.. THE PARENTS WILLINGLY GAVE THEIR PERMISSION AND ALLOWED THIS.. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A STATEMENT FROM POLICE STATING THEY WISH TO REQUESTION THIS 6 and 8 yr old boys!! This is all bunk simply derived from a question asked and answered and that has been twisted into more cruel, false, outright lies and misconceptions that these parents aren't allowing their children to be interviewed AT ALL PERIOD!! many are under the impression these boys have not even been questioned by LE.. They have and they did so with the parents full permission.. And that's the end of these two innocent little boy's involvement!! LE has both of these little boys Accts of that night on record and the rest is absolute false bs that continues to be circulated as truth.. It's angering IMO to see the twisting of the truth into something that no longer is even recognizable as the truth.. It's angering and it's sad!!

And as for Jeremy supposedly having made a comment that he requested to be present with his baby's mother in further questioning.. "if" this infact is true I can say this with much confidence.. If this were I in this nightmare along with my husband and our child had been abducted from our home and we are cooperating to the absolutely best of our ability allowing anything and everything they are asking of us and in that soon thereafter the traumatic event of my child being stolen from my home, out of her bed.. And I was taken, separated and isolated from ANYONE AND FOR MORE THAN 10 HOURS I WAS BERATED AND DEMEANED IN EVERY WAY U COULD IMAGINE!!! being yelled at for hour upon hour upon hour what a bad, MOM I AM, THAT IM A MURDERER AMD MURDERED MY BABY IN COLD BLOOD AND THEN BURNED HER IN GARBAGE CAN!!! that I am going to be arrested for murdering her..THe room full of cops alll yelling these horrors at me telling me they are going to arrest me for killing my baby!! Then they throw before me burned up baby clothes claiming I thru my child in a fire in a garbage can that they've got the proof and I'm going to prison for the rest of my life for murdering my baby!!! Then put before Doppler pings of "my"cell phone saying that I hid them they have proof of it!! I am going to be charged with murder in the first for my daughters death and that I might As well ATLEAST save my fam added pain and give up where I put her burned little body!!!

All of these things and more for well over 10 hours AND I KNOW MYSELF NOR MY HUSBAND HAS HARMED MY BABY AND THAT MY PRECIOUS BABY IS OUT THERE WITH SOME MONSTER AND I DONT KNOW IF SHE'S EVEN ALIVE!!! I can promise you without a doubt that my
Husband/fiancé/significant other(whatever you wanna call the relationship btwn Deb and Jeremy as that seems to be up for debate as well).. If my husband were in the position Jeremy is in.. my husband without a doubt would be demanding from there on out that he be with me when I was Interviewed!! He would not allow that bs to continue when he knew that I had not harmed a hair on my Childs head and we were devastated that our child has been abducted!!

So, these parents have willing allowed for themselves, their remaining children, and every possession of theirs or their children's has been willingly allowed unfettered access.. But this isn't what's reported on.. This isn't what's circulated around and run amuk throughout the rumor mills.. It's lies, misconstrued statements, twisted truths that are so blown out of proportion and distorted to where it's nothing even remotely resembling the truth!! And a precious baby named Lisa is out there somewhere lost in all of this.. It's beyond tragic !
 
Not only DB said she isn't allowing LE to re-interview the two boys, she said she herself isn't going to talk to them about the noises they heard. I find that particularly bizarre. It's her baby that is missing after all. She admits she was drunk and her recollection appears to be fuzzy (to say the least). The two boys were not drinking. One would think under these circumstances a mother would be talking and talking to the 6 and 8 year old to figure out what they heard/seen. But in this case one would be wrong.
 
And that's exactly what these parents are allowing and have given their full consent for LE to come and go as much and as often as they like..Parents have willingly given LE unfettered access to their home, property, vehicles and everything they own within those areas.. INCLUDING ALL THREE OF ALL OF THEIR CHILDREN's BELONGINGS, CLOTHES, AND KEEPSAKES!!

These parents gave willing consent allowing for both of their 6 and 8 yr old boys to be thoroughly interviewed and questioned by LE and those appointed by LE whose profession it is to speak and question children who may have beared witness to pretty horrific stuff.. These people have already questioned their children. Freely, willingly, allowing this to be done!! This is continued to be lied about and false information spread saying otherwise!! Deb was asked in the media blitz WOULD THEY ALLOW THEIR SONS TO BE QUESTIONED AGAIN?? AS IN MORE THAN ONCE.. THEY SAID NO, THEIR BOYS HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED/INTERVIEWED AND LE HAS THEIR FULL ACCOUNTS OF WHAT THE EVENTS OF THAT NIGHT WERE!!

So here's the important thing to that.. From that question and the answer the parents gave it has now been twisted into LE is seeking these children out to RE-QUESTION.. when there is not one statement LE has made requesting TO REQUESTION THE BOYS AGAIN!! this has been blown up by the media and further fueled by incorrect, misinformation being regurgitated repeatedly!!*

THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED.. THE PARENTS WILLINGLY GAVE THEIR PERMISSION AND ALLOWED THIS.. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A STATEMENT FROM POLICE STATING THEY WISH TO REQUESTION THIS 6 and 8 yr old boys!! This is all bunk simply derived from a question asked and answered and that has been twisted into more cruel, false, outright lies and misconceptions that these parents aren't allowing their children to be interviewed AT ALL PERIOD!! many are under the impression these boys have not even been questioned by LE.. They have and they did so with the parents full permission.. And that's the end of these two innocent little boy's involvement!! LE has both of these little boys Accts of that night on record and the rest is absolute false bs that continues to be circulated as truth.. It's angering IMO to see the twisting of the truth into something that no longer is even recognizable as the truth.. It's angering and it's sad!!

And as for Jeremy supposedly having made a comment that he requested to be present with his wife in further questioning.. "if" this infact is true I can say this with much confidence.. If this were I in this nightmare along with my husband and our child had been abducted from our home and we are cooperating to the absolutely best of our ability allowing anything and everything they are asking of us and in that soon thereafter the traumatic event of my child being stolen from my home, out of her bed.. And I was taken, separated and isolated from ANYONE AND FOR MORE THAN 10 HOURS I WAS BERATED AND DEMEANED IN EVERY WAY U COULD IMAGINE!!! being yelled at for hour upon hour upon hour what a bad, MOM I AM, THAT IM A MURDERER AMD MURDERED MY BABY IN COLD BLOOD AND THEN BURNED HER IN GARBAGE CAN!!! that I am going to be arrested for murdering her..THe room full of cops alll yelling these horrors at me telling me they are going to arrest me for killing my baby!! Then they throw before me burned up baby clothes claiming I thru my child in a fire in a garbage can that they've got the proof and I'm going to prison for the rest of my life for murdering my baby!!! Then put before Doppler pings of "my"cell phone saying that I hid them they have proof of it!! I am going to be charged with murder in the first for my daughters death and that I might As well ATLEAST save my fam added pain and give up where I put her burned little body!!!

All of these things and more for well over 10 hours AND I KNOW MYSELF NOR MY HUSBAND HAS HARMED MY BABY AND THAT MY PRECIOUS BABY IS OUT THERE WITH SOME MONSTER AND I DONT KNOW IF SHE'S EVEN ALIVE!!! I can promise you without a doubt that my
Husband/fiancé/significant other(whatever you wanna call the relationship btwn Deb and Jeremy as that seems to be up for debate as well).. If my husband were in the position Jeremy is in.. my husband without a doubt would be demanding from there on out that he be with me when I was Interviewed!! He would not allow that bs to continue when he knew that I had not harmed a hair on my Childs head and we were devastated that our child has been abducted!!

So, these parents have willing allowed for themselves, their remaining children, and every possession of theirs or their children's has been willingly allowed unfettered access.. But this isn't what's reported on.. This isn't what's circulated around and run amuk throughout the rumor mills.. It's lies, misconstrued statements, twisted truths that are so blown out of proportion and distorted to where it's nothing even remotely resembling the truth!! And a precious baby named Lisa is out there somewhere lost in all of this.. It's beyond tragic !

Respectfully...the parents themselves in their interviews have contradicted part of what you have said above. There has been not one single public statement that they gave LE complete access to their house whenever and however they wanted. DB and JI said themselves that they do not want their children re-interviewed. It isn't the media giving us this information, it's the parents.
 
And, also, NO ONE knows what LE said to DB in the interviews except those who were there. DB said that she was "shown" burnt clothes, not that they were "baby clothes" and they were not thrown in front of her.
 
Realized I'm off topic with my post so deleting. This is about the search warrants. Sorry!
 
And now so much time has passed that there is no way kids that age could be sure of the details, right down to what day they last saw their little sister.

Elizabeth Smart's sister was only 9, but she was able to come up with the correct suspect months later, so I am not so sure.
 
And that's exactly what these parents are allowing and have given their full consent for LE to come and go as much and as often as they like..Parents have willingly given LE unfettered access to their home, property, vehicles and everything they own within those areas.. INCLUDING ALL THREE OF ALL OF THEIR CHILDREN's BELONGINGS, CLOTHES, AND KEEPSAKES!!

These parents gave willing consent allowing for both of their 6 and 8 yr old boys to be thoroughly interviewed and questioned by LE and those appointed by LE whose profession it is to speak and question children who may have beared witness to pretty horrific stuff.. These people have already questioned their children. Freely, willingly, allowing this to be done!! This is continued to be lied about and false information spread saying otherwise!! Deb was asked in the media blitz WOULD THEY ALLOW THEIR SONS TO BE QUESTIONED AGAIN?? AS IN MORE THAN ONCE.. THEY SAID NO, THEIR BOYS HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED/INTERVIEWED AND LE HAS THEIR FULL ACCOUNTS OF WHAT THE EVENTS OF THAT NIGHT WERE!!

So here's the important thing to that.. From that question and the answer the parents gave it has now been twisted into LE is seeking these children out to RE-QUESTION.. when there is not one statement LE has made requesting TO REQUESTION THE BOYS AGAIN!! this has been blown up by the media and further fueled by incorrect, misinformation being regurgitated repeatedly!!*

THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED.. THE PARENTS WILLINGLY GAVE THEIR PERMISSION AND ALLOWED THIS.. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A STATEMENT FROM POLICE STATING THEY WISH TO REQUESTION THIS 6 and 8 yr old boys!! This is all bunk simply derived from a question asked and answered and that has been twisted into more cruel, false, outright lies and misconceptions that these parents aren't allowing their children to be interviewed AT ALL PERIOD!! many are under the impression these boys have not even been questioned by LE.. They have and they did so with the parents full permission.. And that's the end of these two innocent little boy's involvement!! LE has both of these little boys Accts of that night on record and the rest is absolute false bs that continues to be circulated as truth.. It's angering IMO to see the twisting of the truth into something that no longer is even recognizable as the truth.. It's angering and it's sad!!

And as for Jeremy supposedly having made a comment that he requested to be present with his baby's mother in further questioning.. "if" this infact is true I can say this with much confidence.. If this were I in this nightmare along with my husband and our child had been abducted from our home and we are cooperating to the absolutely best of our ability allowing anything and everything they are asking of us and in that soon thereafter the traumatic event of my child being stolen from my home, out of her bed.. And I was taken, separated and isolated from ANYONE AND FOR MORE THAN 10 HOURS I WAS BERATED AND DEMEANED IN EVERY WAY U COULD IMAGINE!!! being yelled at for hour upon hour upon hour what a bad, MOM I AM, THAT IM A MURDERER AMD MURDERED MY BABY IN COLD BLOOD AND THEN BURNED HER IN GARBAGE CAN!!! that I am going to be arrested for murdering her..THe room full of cops alll yelling these horrors at me telling me they are going to arrest me for killing my baby!! Then they throw before me burned up baby clothes claiming I thru my child in a fire in a garbage can that they've got the proof and I'm going to prison for the rest of my life for murdering my baby!!! Then put before Doppler pings of "my"cell phone saying that I hid them they have proof of it!! I am going to be charged with murder in the first for my daughters death and that I might As well ATLEAST save my fam added pain and give up where I put her burned little body!!!

All of these things and more for well over 10 hours AND I KNOW MYSELF NOR MY HUSBAND HAS HARMED MY BABY AND THAT MY PRECIOUS BABY IS OUT THERE WITH SOME MONSTER AND I DONT KNOW IF SHE'S EVEN ALIVE!!! I can promise you without a doubt that my
Husband/fiancé/significant other(whatever you wanna call the relationship btwn Deb and Jeremy as that seems to be up for debate as well).. If my husband were in the position Jeremy is in.. my husband without a doubt would be demanding from there on out that he be with me when I was Interviewed!! He would not allow that bs to continue when he knew that I had not harmed a hair on my Childs head and we were devastated that our child has been abducted!!

So, these parents have willing allowed for themselves, their remaining children, and every possession of theirs or their children's has been willingly allowed unfettered access.. But this isn't what's reported on.. This isn't what's circulated around and run amuk throughout the rumor mills.. It's lies, misconstrued statements, twisted truths that are so blown out of proportion and distorted to where it's nothing even remotely resembling the truth!! And a precious baby named Lisa is out there somewhere lost in all of this.. It's beyond tragic !

Wow, I missed all of this. Was it said to happen like this when they were being questioned?

I'm guessing it was along these lines anyway.
 
And now so much time has passed that there is no way kids that age could be sure of the details, right down to what day they last saw their little sister.

and wouldn't you think that you would use absolutely everything that you could imagine to help find your missing baby...including re-interviewing the other children, who heard noises?
 
and wouldn't you think that you would use absolutely everything that you could imagine to help find your missing baby...including re-interviewing the other children, who heard noises?

Supposedly heard noises, since the info we have about noises is hearsay.
 
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