LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[Mountain_Kat]

They would absolutely be able to say whether they saw the baby at any time Monday, and they were both interviewed.

As would the neighbor, the brother, and who knows who else. There is quite a bit of information we aren't privvy to. Just because WE don't know who saw Lisa doesn't mean that no one did see her.

JMO, of course.

 

[Melanie]

Some of us were wondering if anyone else had died in that house, possibly in that bedroom. If so we wondered if the dogs could still "hit" on it.

This woman lived there, the one in the document, but there is no obituary that the person found attached to that name.:innocent:

IMHO the first thing LE would do is determine if someone else had died in the home...on or near that spot.

MOO

Mel

 

[JeannaT]

Well unless the box o wine was out on the porch with them!

That's true. It's cool enough there to put the box out on the porch.

 

[Donjeta]

I still believe the baby escaped from the crib and from there, something happened while unattended for hours while Deborah drank on the stoop. I believe the baby ended up in the back yard. I don't know how.

I think Deborah found the baby out back, and brought the (deceased) baby inside, wrapped the baby up (on the floor) and she and/or Jeremy disposed of the baby's body elsewhere (i.e., not on the home premises).

And I think when a person lies, causing resources to be spent on searches when the original person has reported an event based on lies, there ought to be a 5 year sentence added for every single day the lie and therefore search/investigation ensues.

She needs to fess up where the baby's remains are.

Does Lisa's window face the back yard or the front? She could have climbed and fallen.

 

[Tuffy]

Hi Just, I'm thinking that if the Mom was involved she didn't confess to it being an accident as it might have been due to her negligence. She might have been at fault even if her baby died accidentally. And she would know that would be manslaughter or SS. IMO

It seems to be coming together now what with the death scent found in the house and now 3 witnesses having seen a man walking with a baby between the hours of 12:15 am and 4am.


ETA: We all know it would take 2 hours for the death scent to mature before it could be detected by a human recovery dog. That means the baby, or whoever scent this was, was lying on the floor by that bed for up to 2 hours.

BBM: actually, if true, that would mean that a body that had been dead for two hours had been on the floor.

 

[AlmostGone]

Well unless the box o wine was out on the porch with them!

That's what I'm thinking! Right along with a couple of cups lol..

 

[frankie069]

wouldnt the boys ask where there sister was if something happened sunday night? moo They would know!

Kids are terrible with time frames in that sense, they probably were told that she was kidnapped from the beginning and believed it. They probably wouldnt know Sunday from Monday. Especially with all that was going on in the house.

 

[Duke Fan4]

"The baby escaped"? That sounds like "the cayoties could have buried it". Geez I need to go to ESPN for a while.

 

[luckyme]

That's true. It's cool enough there to put the box out on the porch.

If she was drinking to black out. she didnt care if it was cold or not. moo

 

[stilettos]

(I took an Ativan to keep me calm. )

Please pass the ativan...Shoesies needs it!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think she passed out on top of this baby drunk in her bedroom.

 

[Boodles]

I am having a tough time with the "accident" theories. There is no "covering up" necessary for an accident. Period. I agree that none of us wants to believe this could be anything other than an unfortunate accident or bad decision-making because we cannot really get our heads around the alternatives. The reality though is that 10 month-olds are generally not particularly "fragile" and Lisa's photos all look healthy and normal for her age. It is highly unlikely that a child of this age and health would die from something like falling out of a crib, being dropped by an 8 year old or even having Mom roll over on her.

It is even less believable that should such an unlikely thing happen, that one or both parents would assume it was somehow a good idea to stage an elaborate and logistically difficult kidnapping scenario instead of dealing with it. There are no circumstances under which covering up the death of a child makes any sense unless it is to avoid what you know to be terrible consequences for a terrible act. It isn't a "mistake" to harm a child - it is a crime. I agree with those who are thinking we are watching the excuse-making scenario unfold for the purpose of "claiming" the accident alternative and I am LIVID that the CA case just wrote that playbook out for every child killer that comes after. stepping off of soapbox now.

But if you had custody of a child parented by your "ex", any negligence on your part could and would be used against you. There's your motive to cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. The ex's could use your negligence to take custody from you.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Please pass the ativan...Shoesies needs it!

Back of the line, Missy! :furious:

 

[nursebeeme]

please please please attack the post not the poster.... this lands at random

I thought I would bump this up every few pages since mods have been having to do so much :sweep: from personal attacks...

 

[sarx]

Take it or leave it...
A body does NOT need to be there for 2 hours before a dog can smell it. If those are the dogs you are using, you need to stop and get some new ones.

 

[Melanie]

The neighbor reportedly brought her 4 yr old daughter with her, to play with the boys. So I am going to assume that she had to have gone inside a few times to check on the kids. No way a 4, 6 and 8 yr old just sat quietly in the room watching a 'fairy tale' video, and did not require any parental input. imoo

I have a gut feeling that if DB didn't feel it necessary to check on Lisa during that time, she prolly didn't bother checking on the other kids.

I read the People article and it states she made a chicken dinner for "the boys". The article didn't elaborate on the time or who ate it, but it peaked my curiousity. Meaning that sometime that evening she must have had contact with them. I wonder when?

No link, as I just read it in my magazine. But I bet there are others here that read the same thing.

Thanks!

Mel

 

[Boytwnmom]

were for us in the Anthony trial. Your cadaver dog comments had me searching. I found this site which reports on trials and there's a page on Forgys testimony which indicates:

Another case, they were asked if Bones could locate an item with blood on it (Bones WAS trained to find blood). Forgey didn't want to get too much into the sexual battery nature of the case. He said he and Gerus went to area the woman described and Bones located a rag that the suspect had wiped off some blood with.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/06/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-12.html

Bones was another dog, not the one used in the Anthony case and he was trained to ALSO hit on blood. Could that have been what you were remembering? I'm trying to understand the cadaver dog reliability and this idea that live human blood causes the same alert is making me crazy ...anyway, you are guilty of making me think about this and I don't know very much about it so it's hurting my head!

Can someone come hold my hands away from my keyboard, please. TIA

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think she passed out on top of this baby drunk in her bedroom.

That or fell.

 

[vlpate]

What if whomever this guy is, is part of the cover up? It looks like a kidnapping because people were meant to see a kidnapper. He could have been carrying a doll.... why would a kidnapper walk for four hours with a dead baby?

First sighting 12:15, the other sighting 4:00 a.m. Really? And the baby's position hadn't changed?

 

[Donjeta]

But if you had custody of a child parented by your "ex", any negligence on your part could and would be used against you. There's your motive to cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. The ex's could use your negligence to take custody from you.

If custody is the primary concern it doesn't make much sense to cover up an accident saying you drank yourself silly while in charge of three children. Some ex's might use that as well.