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My question is about ineffective counsel. Baez not only opened the door for potentially devastating testimony to come in, but he forgot to bring an important file to court. This is not the first time he has done this, and it seems he is either totally incompetent or is doing these things deliberately to cause delays.

Since Casey has not just an attorney but a team of attorneys, how might an appeal for ineffective counsel be decided by the appeals court? Since CM is there, and he is a seasoned attorney who knows the ins and outs of court proceedings, would an appeals court have to base their decision on Baez's incompetence or on the defense team as a whole? Could it be that Mason is purposely not jumping in to assist in their client's defense when it must be obvious to him that Baez is faltering?

Is it ethical for a defense attorney to deliberately be ineffective, to purposely act in a manner that could result in a verdict being overturned on appeal for ineffective counsel?
No, it is not ethical for a defense attorney to deliberately be ineffective.

You have to show two things for ineffective assistance of counsel:
1. Defense counsel did not provide reasonable professional assistance
and
2. Defendant was prejudiced to such a degree that the outcome of the trial would have been different.

Even is JCA can show JB was deficient, it might be difficult to show the outcome of the trial would be different.
 
Hi Lawyers! Are we having fun yet?

Per the MSM article today, looks like the defense is adding a new witness for their case. How on earth can they add a witness at this time? Will HHJP allow this witness? I know that last minute witnesses can be included, but there has to be very strict circumstances.

What do you predict?

http://www.wesh.com/r/28083833/detail.html

"Casey Anthony's defense team has added journalist, blogger and TV personality Stephen Watts to its defense list, court records show. The defense's addition to its witness list was filed Friday, according to the clerk's website.

Coincidentally, Watts was mentioned in testimony by Cindy Anthony on Tuesday. Anthony said she gave Watts and Mark Furhman a tour of her backyard at one point."

Link to Steph Watts article where he spills the beans:

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/ugly-things-secret-things-casey-anthonys-attorney-jose-baez/

Link to ThinkTank's totally spifferino Defense Witness List:

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en

Thanks in advance to you wonderful lawyers, who go above and beyond for all of us here!
 
No, it is not ethical for a defense attorney to deliberately be ineffective.

You have to show two things for ineffective assistance of counsel:
1. Defense counsel did not provide reasonable professional assistance
and
2. Defendant was prejudiced to such a degree that the outcome of the trial would have been different.

Even is JCA can show JB was deficient, it might be difficult to show the outcome of the trial would be different.

THANK YOU BEACH BUM!! Dovetailing on the previous question, if KC is unable to get a conviction overturned based on ineffective counsel, what would happen if she were to claim she had an "inappropriate" relationship with her attorney? We know she spent countless hours and countless days in his office. If she were to allege something untoward *ahem* as she has alleged toward her own father, what would be the ramifications? Thanks in advance...
 
Hi Lawyers! Are we having fun yet?

Per the MSM article today, looks like the defense is adding a new witness for their case. How on earth can they add a witness at this time? Will HHJP allow this witness? I know that last minute witnesses can be included, but there has to be very strict circumstances.

What do you predict?

http://www.wesh.com/r/28083833/detail.html

"Casey Anthony's defense team has added journalist, blogger and TV personality Stephen Watts to its defense list, court records show. The defense's addition to its witness list was filed Friday, according to the clerk's website.

Coincidentally, Watts was mentioned in testimony by Cindy Anthony on Tuesday. Anthony said she gave Watts and Mark Furhman a tour of her backyard at one point."

Link to Steph Watts article where he spills the beans:

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/ugly-things-secret-things-casey-anthonys-attorney-jose-baez/

Link to ThinkTank's totally spifferino Defense Witness List:

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en

Thanks in advance to you wonderful lawyers, who go above and beyond for all of us here!
Witnesses can be added late for several reasons including new or additional information during trial, or as rebuttal to counter certain testimony. I can't imagine in a DP case, HHJP not allowing additional defense witnesses if there is a reasonable explanation and some notice provided to the state. Same would apply to the prosecution.
 
I've recently read some statistics on women who are currently on death row in Florida. All have been sentenced to death within the past 3 years.

One, Emilia Carr, had the mitigating factor of having had accused her father of abuse at age 15. Although that charge was withdrawn, he was later convicted of contracting to kill the entire family.

Should this trial come to the penalty phase, and based on these recent case outcomes, do you think the chances of the DP being handed down are greater?
 
THANK YOU BEACH BUM!! Dovetailing on the previous question, if KC is unable to get a conviction overturned based on ineffective counsel, what would happen if she were to claim she had an "inappropriate" relationship with her attorney? We know she spent countless hours and countless days in his office. If she were to allege something untoward *ahem* as she has alleged toward her own father, what would be the ramifications? Thanks in advance...
The issue of sexual relations between attorney and client come under the rules of professional conduct. The State Bar could impose sanctions on the attorney if it was determined that the client was adversely affected, however, this would not be an issue for an appellate court.
 
have two questions (sorry if they have been asked already)....

Didn't TL tell ICA that he didn't think it was a good idea to have Caylee hang out at his place? I know the state doesn't have to show motive but I personally think this was part of it. Why didn't the state ask him this?

and,

Why didn't the state ask CA about GA molesting ICA on the stand today? She was in the house, surely she would have noticed something right? and, lets just say they didn't because they're not 100% sure what CA might say, isn't she a witness for the prosecution? Are they allowed to call her up on the phone (like the night before she is on the stand) and ask her this, lol?

I no, prob not the smartest questions, but i thought i would ask anyway. YOU GUYS ROCK! I LOVE WEBSLEUTHS!
 
I've recently read some statistics on women who are currently on death row in Florida. All have been sentenced to death within the past 3 years.

One, Emilia Carr, had the mitigating factor of having had accused her father of abuse at age 15. Although that charge was withdrawn, he was later convicted of contracting to kill the entire family.

Should this trial come to the penalty phase, and based on these recent case outcomes, do you think the chances of the DP being handed down are greater?
Though it could happen, I would really be surprised to see ICA gets the DP if convicted. Juries typically do not like to recommend death for women. During the penalty phase the defense will ask for mercy. If they put CA on the stand and she asks the jury to spare her daughter's life, I believe they will.
 
Jose was the one who made the arrangements for the photo deal that netted ICA the 200K, which basically paid his fees. Now, he brokered that deal while she was incarcerated, so he acted as her representative in that deal. Since the IRS used his address for the tax notice, that would indicate the payee (ABC) provided that information on the 1099 provided to the IRS from the payee (ABC) .......which means that's where the check was sent. '

I believe he is liable for not preserving a tax buffer for Casey’s IRS debt. More importantly, could this present a situation for Jose causing the Florida Bar Assn to be interested in the way these funds were handled by an attorney for his client.

Praying to the Goddess of Justice - could he possibly get disbarred for misusing his clients funds?
 
Mr. Hornsby, do you think that Caseys' felonies will come in?

ETA: Could you please expound on how you feel this case is going?

Thanks

No, I get the feeling Judge Perry does not feel comfortable letting them in anymore.

I think the trial is going fine for the state. It is still early on and this is a marathon, not a sprint.

With that said, while I think Baez has done a bad job overall, I think he has planted some potentially powerful seeds about the ladder being up and about George.
 
have two questions (sorry if they have been asked already)....

Didn't TL tell ICA that he didn't think it was a good idea to have Caylee hang out at his place? I know the state doesn't have to show motive but I personally think this was part of it. Why didn't the state ask him this?

and,

Why didn't the state ask CA about GA molesting ICA on the stand today? She was in the house, surely she would have noticed something right? and, lets just say they didn't because they're not 100% sure what CA might say, isn't she a witness for the prosecution? Are they allowed to call her up on the phone (like the night before she is on the stand) and ask her this, lol?

I no, prob not the smartest questions, but i thought i would ask anyway. YOU GUYS ROCK! I LOVE WEBSLEUTHS!
I don't know why TL wasn't asked. This may be more strategic than anything else.

I really like how the prosecution is dealing with the molestation. They addressed it with GA and moved on. I believe they will touch on it with LA and move on. The defense would love nothing more than the prosecution to take the bait and get bogged down in an issue that has nothing to do with the murder of Caylee. Remember, the defense in this case is accident and the molestation allegations only go to explain ICA's actions as to why she didn't tell anyone about this "accident."
 
I'm unclear as to why these felonies can't be brought in. I get the "prior bad acts" bit - BUT these felonies occured during the 31 days that Caylee was missing - it was how ICA was somewhat supporting her shopping trips and paying for tattoos. How can they NOT be relevant? I kinda think the jury already has an idea as they heard CA talk about stealing money and an auto in the 911 calls (even though a stipulation was read about that).

I guess my question is why aren't these "acts" relevant?
 
Can a charge of kidnapping against ICA be included in any phase of the trial?
 
I'm unclear as to why these felonies can't be brought in. I get the "prior bad acts" bit - BUT these felonies occured during the 31 days that Caylee was missing - it was how ICA was somewhat supporting her shopping trips and paying for tattoos. How can they NOT be relevant? I kinda think the jury already has an idea as they heard CA talk about stealing money and an auto in the 911 calls (even though a stipulation was read about that).

I guess my question is why aren't these "acts" relevant?
Based on the rules of evidence prior convictions are used as an impeachment tool once the witness/defendant has put their credibility at issue by testifying. Prior convictions are not admissible in the state's case-in-chief because they don't provide relevant evidence as to proving the elements of murder but go to show the defendant is not a credible witness.

Normally the defendant has to take the stand, testify, then be impeached on cross. Tomorrow morning there will be a hearing to determine if the prosecution will be allowed to impeach the defendant's credibility based on testimony elicited by the defense during cross of CA without waiting for the defendant to actually take the stand.
 
What is CM doing while JB makes all these catastrophic mistakes?

Napping? :waitasec:

Did anyone else notice that on the recording of the 911 call the prosecution played (?enhanced?) that GA could be heard in the background. Cindy says: (paraphrased) I am on the phone with them right now. As if someone said to her "call the police." it couldn't have been Lee, since he already knew the police had been called. In the recording that the defense played GA could not be heard.

If the recording that the prosecution played was the original 911 and the one that was entered into evidence by the prosecution, and instead of being enhanced the prosecution, it was adjusted by the defense to obscure the background noise ie:George wouldn't that be evidence tampering??

I don't have the links but could someone verify so I know I'm not crazy.

IMO she was saying it to Casey to follow up on her threat to call the police--i.e., "I'm going to call the police," "NO, really, I'll call the police," "I'm on the phone with them right now!"

IMO the defense did not tamper with the evidence. When that tape was released I heard several versions on which you could not hear George. Different copying and playback settings and programs will have different results.

I have a question about 'hearsay'.

We keep hearing multiple witnesses testify about KC telling them that Caylee was with the nanny or that KC said CA was crazy, etc - how come it is objected to as "hearsay" sometimes and not others?

If a statement from KC to the witness is offered by the prosecution, it will not be hearsay. If it is offered by the defense, it will be hearsay.

Jose was the one who made the arrangements for the photo deal that netted ICA the 200K, which basically paid his fees. Now, he brokered that deal while she was incarcerated, so he acted as her representative in that deal. Since the IRS used his address for the tax notice, that would indicate the payee (ABC) provided that information on the 1099 provided to the IRS from the payee (ABC) .......which means that's where the check was sent. '

I believe he is liable for not preserving a tax buffer for Casey’s IRS debt. More importantly, could this present a situation for Jose causing the Florida Bar Assn to be interested in the way these funds were handled by an attorney for his client.

Praying to the Goddess of Justice - could he possibly get disbarred for misusing his clients funds?

I don't think he will be disbarred for not making Casey pay her taxes. It is really her responsibility even if the check went directly to Jose's office.

Can a charge of kidnapping against ICA be included in any phase of the trial?

No, she is not charged with kidnapping. Also, who did she kidnap??? :waitasec:
 
I've been reading about questions on the psychological reports of KC that are not going to be admitted to the trial. In other areas of the trial, forensics specialists will be brought in who will probably disagree with each other's findings. I would think the same thing would happen with psychological findings. I thought that both teams are allowed to find psychologists that support their theories, since often the specialists do not always agree....after that I thought it just depends on who the jury believes. How many psychologists were allowed the defendant for both the state and the defense? Is there a limit of psychologists that are allowed to evaluate the defendant for both the defense and the State?
 
In the Huggins case, the defense asked a witness about something the defendant had said (that he shaved his pubic area to get rid of lice, not to avoid giving a pubic hair sample to LE). It was improper hearsay, but it got in. Because the defense had introduced testimony of the defendant in this way, the State was then allowed to impeach that testimony, just as if the defendant had actually testified, by bringing in the defendant's felony convictions.

Here, JB asked a witness (Cindy) about statements Casey had made about the paternity of Caylee (I think), and now the State wants to bring in Casey's felony convictions to impeach that "testimony" of Casey.

I would love to see a transcript, but I doubt that the statements of Casey that JB elicited from Cindy were (1) presented by JB as having been truthful statements by Casey or (2) relevant at all to Casey's defense. If the statements were not presented as having been truthful and/or were not particularly relevant to the defense, then IMO HHJP should not allow the felony conviction information into evidence.

If the statements of Casey that JB elicited from Cindy WERE presented as JB as having been truthful statements by Casey and had something to do with the actual case, then HHJP should allow the felony conviction information into evidence BUT the whole situation will raise the question of ineffective assistance of counsel down the road.

IMO the SA ought to think about it overnight and come in tomorrow morning and say, "You know what, your honor? Never mind about those felony convictions for now," thus either saving JB from his own incompetence or saving HHJP from being overturned on appeal. Chances are, Casey is going to have to testify in this case, because her defense set up a crazy story in the opening statement that only she can support. Why not save the felonies to impeach her then?

Crazy follow up question... but while the question to CA about KC's testimony may seem debatable, how is it that JB's attempts to bring KC's testimony in via the backdoor regarding her "Daddy sexually abused me" story didn't trigger Huggins? I mean hasn't the threshold of impeaching the defendant already been reached on that subject?
 
Crazy follow up question... but while the question to CA about KC's testimony may seem debatable, how is it that JB's attempts to bring KC's testimony in via the backdoor regarding her "Daddy sexually abused me" story didn't trigger Huggins? I mean hasn't the threshold of impeaching the defendant already been reached on that subject?

Did he ever actually get anyone to answer that question in front of the jury? If he had, I would agree with you. But I don't think he did.

I've been reading about questions on the psychological reports of KC that are not going to be admitted to the trial. In other areas of the trial, forensics specialists will be brought in who will probably disagree with each other's findings. I would think the same thing would happen with psychological findings. I thought that both teams are allowed to find psychologists that support their theories, since often the specialists do not always agree....after that I thought it just depends on who the jury believes. How many psychologists were allowed the defendant for both the state and the defense? Is there a limit of psychologists that are allowed to evaluate the defendant for both the defense and the State?

Each side will only be allowed one expert per issue. I don't know if the State has a psych expert listed for the penalty phase--if not, perhaps they are not too worried about the opinions of the defense expert. After all, we know Casey was not diagnosed with anything helpful to the defense.
 
If a defendant wants anti anxiety medication ,or his/her defense team believes medication would be helpful ,how does that work during a trial?
I'm curious about the steps that must be taken and also if the judge needs to be notified or has to agree,since they can affect your thinking .

ETA : assuming also that the defendant is currently residing in jail.
 
Question for the Legal Eagles:

Will the jury have a choice of lesser offenses to choose from if they don't want to find her guilty of 1st degree murder but they don't want to acquit either? That is if they want to choose something like manslaughter, aggravated child neglect, or whatever there is...................? Or is it all or nothing?
 
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