Lisa Stebic-Plainfield, IL mother of 2 Part 2

[Liz]

I doubt he car pooled the kids in his truck so he probably drove the saturn. I'd really like to know which vehicle he took to work that morning. For one thing it would be safer to have her in the trunk rather than the back of a pickup. He only worked 20 minutes away so that route should be checked by LE in case he didn't get rid of her that night but instead somewhere along his usual route to work and that wouldn't be suspicious if anyone saw him.

Also did they ever exchange vehicles? Did Lisa have a set of keys to Craig's truck? If not how was she supposed to get to work if indeed he had the saturn. Nothing has been said about her keys but I think she probably had those in her purse when she left.

Strach, what about your hypothetical scenario of disposal via the boiler at his (former) contracted workplace? I've gone back to that frightening scenario numerous times in my mind; although admittedly I don't know much about boilers. And/or if an employee could get away with something so atrocious.


I've wondered if his job there was really supposed to end on April 30th (but I've no real knowledge of contract jobs); and "for some reason" (think: premeditating a crime) he leaves early on that last day (not feeling well, doctor's appt, whatever excuse) and says he'll return to finish up the job the next day. Maybe even returns only to pick up his work tools (Eww, enter more bad thoughts thinking of a pipefitter's work tools ... what tools? Hacksaw?) . This would give him a reason to go back to the job, where the contract had already ended and make use of the 'facility'. Plus, at the same time, giving the outward appearance of 'everything being normal' ... kids in school; Craig at work. And, "caring soon-to-be ex" immediately leaves work upon finding out his wife hadn't shown for work.

Maybe I am thinking too much? :banghead:

Yeah, probably!!!

 

[Liz]

Liz:
I honestly probably know less about the case than you do. I just take wild guesses and sometimes they're right. I have watched enough of these cases, though, to know that quite often LE is doing things behind the scenes that you and I have no idea about.

I won't mention exacts here on the open forum, as we've learned that these perps are getting smarter and working the internet to see how LE could be 'tripping them up.'

Remember, it's within the law for a police officer to lie to get you to confess or whatever. But it's a crime in many states to lie to LE.

JMHO
fran

Well Fran, I never would presume to know more about this case than you (or anyone). You seem to be pretty well up on it to me!

I appreciate and respect not putting certain things out on an open forum, regarding cases being actively investigated, such as this. There's been times when I really want to post something, but reconsider and decide not to, in case certain people are reading here.

Yep, I try to remember that LE can and will dole out misinformation; and possibly even lie, when it's necessary to protect the integrity of their case. Thank goodness for that, too!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Remember, it's within the law for a police officer to lie to get you to confess or whatever. But it's a crime in many states to lie to LE.

JMHO
fran

I know I will draw fire for this, but I think it should be illegal for LE to lie in an interview or any other time. I have never agreed with this tactic and never will. Deceit and trickery shouldn't be considered within legal limits in gaining a confession. If LE can't come up with a better way to interrogate, they need to go back to the drawing board to good police work.

 

[txsvicki]

I know I will draw fire for this, but I think it should be illegal for LE to lie in an interview or any other time. I have never agreed with this tactic and never will. Deceit and trickery shouldn't be considered within legal limits in gaining a confession. If LE can't come up with a better way to interrogate, they need to go back to the drawing board to good police work.

I agree with you. There's been too many cases of people imprisoned after hours and hours of being interrogated and told certain things that weren't true, they felt there was no hope. Many of the cases like this that I've seen on tv are teens.

 

[txsvicki]

I keep comparing this case to Laci Peterson. I wonder if they have brought in any dogs to search for Lisa. I can't remember the dog's name in Laci's case, but it tracked her all the way to the end of that pier.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The case I compare it to is Tara Grant's. After reading her husband's full confession...it opened my eyes to how these men can make their way through day to day and lead a seemingly 'normal' life after killing their spouse. I don't know how squeamish you are or if you care to read it. I will include the link below. It is the most horrific thing I have ever read, but it was strikingly similar to this case because of having the children in the home and other variables.

http://centralmediaserver.com/wxyz/wxyzconfession.pdf

 

[Liz]

I know I will draw fire for this, but I think it should be illegal for LE to lie in an interview or any other time. I have never agreed with this tactic and never will. Deceit and trickery shouldn't be considered within legal limits in gaining a confession. If LE can't come up with a better way to interrogate, they need to go back to the drawing board to good police work.

I actually agree with you about this aspect of LE lying in an interrogation of a specific suspect, in a high pressure attempt to garner a confession.

The context I posted about approving of in my post above, was with regard to LE giving misinformation to the news media; and also lying about whether someone is actually considered a person of interest or a suspect by LE.

Reporters sometimes so aggressively pursue case information these days, that IMO for LE to lay all their cards on the table, may end up resulting in LE's detriment in solving their crime.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

As many times as LE says it, I don't know that I will ever believe that 'laying their cards on the table' is detrimental to any case. I can't think of any reason not to include the public on information from day one. I don't believe it hinders them solving a crime. On the contrary, it would move it along considerably faster. The problem with LE is they have been holding things so close to the vest for so long, they don't know of any other way to do it! Maybe ONCE they should try to work a case not witholding anything except that identifying piece (only the perp would know) and let the public become their partners in solving it.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I know I will draw fire for this, but I think it should be illegal for LE to lie in an interview or any other time. I have never agreed with this tactic and never will. Deceit and trickery shouldn't be considered within legal limits in gaining a confession. If LE can't come up with a better way to interrogate, they need to go back to the drawing board to good police work.

I'm with you on this one

 

[closeobserver]

I'm going to quit speculating here on this forum. This is way too close for me to feel comfortable doing so. There is the possibility I'm wrong and if so, I'm doing more harm than good. If CS is found guilty, there will be plenty of time to condemn. If he is found innocent, I'd feel terrible having done what I already did.

It's been fun. I'll keep reading and watching. I really hope he didn't do it and that Lisa comes home.

 

[Liz]

Hi closeobserver - If you leave, you'll be missed!
At least by me.

Speculation is not a prerequisite for posting here.
IOW, you could always continue to post, just without speculating.


I've enjoyed your posts and appreciated your input!

 

[j2mirish]

Hi closeobserver - If you leave, you'll be missed!
At least by me.

Speculation is not a prerequisite for posting here.
IOW, you could always continue to post, just without speculating.


I've enjoyed your posts and appreciated your input!

ditto from me too, c/o

 

[strach304]

Liz, I do know that Tuesday was Craig's last day to work at Dial Corp. He knew he'd have a few weeks off in between jobs and he wasn't taking off because of Lisa's disappearance as the media was leading us to believe. Did he feel he had to do it then because he'd have no alibi later? Coincidence? Court dates and that petition could very well fit with that time frame.

If Dial Corp. has cameras I wonder if LE has checked them? His route to work could also be a clue as to where he could've put her and not be seen as suspicious if he were seen that morning. If he went out that night after the children were in bed I doubt he would've went far, that's why I can't understand LE not getting pics out of the vehicles to see if anyone spotted him that night.

 

[j2mirish]

Liz, I do know that Tuesday was Craig's last day to work at Dial Corp. He knew he'd have a few weeks off in between jobs and he wasn't taking off because of Lisa's disappearance as the media was leading us to believe. Did he feel he had to do it then because he'd have no alibi later? Coincidence? Court dates and that petition could very well fit with that time frame.

If Dial Corp. has cameras I wonder if LE has checked them? His route to work could also be a clue as to where he could've put her and not be seen as suspicious if he were seen that morning. If he went out that night after the children were in bed I doubt he would've went far, that's why I can't understand LE not getting pics out of the vehicles to see if anyone spotted him that night.

I sure hope this doesnt turn into another Michelle Young case.......drags on with no answers-

 

[strach304]

I sure hope this doesnt turn into another Michelle Young case.......drags on with no answers-

I know, that case is driving me crazy. I've been afraid since the beginning of Lisa's case that it won't get solved if they can't find her.

 

[Utopia]

I sure hope this doesnt turn into another Michelle Young case.......drags on with no answers-

Or worse yet, Janet Abaroa...

 

[Dryad]

In regards to the www.exercisefriends.com personal ad for her looking for exercise partners, do you think it's possible that Craig was responsible for that to make it look like she was involved with a stranger? He could have llsted that without her knowledge to give another possibility of disappearance since he said she may have taken off with an exercise buddy. I don't know of any woman who will put her full name on there like that with all of that information for anyone to see, especially someone who cared about her children as much as she did. Just a thought...

 

[j2mirish]

In regards to the www.exercisefriends.com personal ad for her looking for exercise partners, do you think it's possible that Craig was responsible for that to make it look like she was involved with a stranger? He could have llsted that without her knowledge to give another possibility of disappearance since he said she may have taken off with an exercise buddy. I don't know of any woman who will put her full name on there like that with all of that information for anyone to see, especially someone who cared about her children as much as she did. Just a thought...

welcome to the board- you are not the first person who has asked this question- I have trouble believeing she owuld have used her name too

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have faith something will turn this case soon. I keep thinking about how Lacy and Conner surfaced after such a long time and left no room for doubt where to point the blame. The chances were so remote of finding either one of them!

People who act out violently and irrationally will eventually end up giving themselves away by their own careless mistakes. Craig's days are numbered!

 

[gidget641]

Larry King live is going to have a segment on lisa tonight. The show just started.