long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

[PPKik]

I'm sorry but I really hope the jury doesn't ask about psychopathy. Not from this Doc. In my not so humble opinion he couldn't be less qualified to testify about it. (Despite his 21 hour course in 'Assessing Psychopathy' in 2001. Probably too late to ask for a refund now.) The last thing the jury needs is misinformation and subterfuge about another psychological condition.

MOO

You are so right! Reading your comment I decided to ask a question I have had since seeing some of this shrink's testimony on youtube. Not being able to watch the trial live, and not being even close to catching up on this amazing site, I may have missed discussions of this, but if not, does anyone know if a psychopath can even have PTSD?

I am not referring to JA (trying to beat the system), because the "diagnosis" and testing methodology are shameful and absurd, and the shrink seems like a blowhard charlatan, at best.

In any other circumstances, it seems that it would be impossible for a person without empathy, feelings for others, nor the ability to feel guilt or remorse to have any symptoms of PTSD. Can having only concern for oneself and the gratification, through manipulation, of that self, rise to the level of developing a severe and crippling anxiety disorder?

It's the psychopath that causes others to suffer from PTSD in my experience.

 

[Trainfan34]

Didn't the ME state that the chest wound would have bled internally? which could give Travis some time to move around, not good mind you but possibly still alert enough to move around for a few minutes? less than 2 min would make sense.. I just cant figure out where the throat slash happened at the sink or down the hallway when pic was taken, blood was already flowing in pic right?

In the 2nd to last pic, the one with her foot yes, blood is flowing and to me after seeing the autopsy photos of the neck wound this is when she slit his throat..the line of blood is about the an inch, looks like a tank top strap.. he was on his back, head held up.. his neck was not hyper-extened when that last wound happened..

 

[raisincharlie]

Haven't been able to watch the good Doctor answer juror questions today because of work, but did any juror ask this question:

Were there any 'Dear Diary' entries on June 4ht about the moment she shot Travis? Any mention at all??? If not, why not? Seems to invalidate all of Dr. Quack's theories about finding 'no negative words' in her 'diary'. No violent tendencies whatsoever!!! Puleeze!

***Or did JA write: "Nothing noteworthy to report today - June 4 2008.

That is a totally excellent question. Someone who talks with JM ought to ask him what the Dear Diary says for June 4th. There might be an entry, "I went at least 100 miles in the wrong direction today while trying to get to my new hottie biscotti - all that fog got me turned around somehow".

 

[MeeBee]

From what I understand, Jodi met with the DV expert. And supposedly she shared her stories of being a victim of abuse and of the claims she saw TA getting off to pix of lil boys.

So I guess the jury will be left with the decision of whether to believe those accusations. If they don't believe Jodi's accusations, then nothing that the DV expert says will matter. JMO

No worries about that, JM will straighten that out. Jodi apparently had initially told LV Travis was on the computer on Jan. 21 but was forced to change to prints in his bed when no child *advertiser censored* was found on his computer.

 

[katydid23]

Psychology also is far from an exact science with more than it's fair share of unethical "professionals", imo. Some in the field, such as this guy Samuels, find it a little too easy and to their advantage to manipulate information. They talk in circles, pick and choose the studies and research that supports their theory, use all the right lingo, and seem to be able to provide an explanation for anything. He has gone totally off the deep end in his attempts to try and paint JA as the victim. And with all his justifying and rationalizing and speculating, all voice of reason, practicality and common sense flew out the window a long time ago.

I really, really, really hope that the prosecution plans on bringing forth their own expert witness in the rebuttal phase. lease:

He has one all lined up. And she has all the raw data from the bogus tests too.

 

[MeeBee]

In the 2nd to last pic, the one with her foot yes, blood is flowing and to me after seeing the autopsy photos of the neck wound this is when she slit his throat..the line of blood is about the an inch, looks like a tank top strap.. he was on his back, head held up.. his neck was not hyper-extened when that last wound happened..

I think that blood track is from the stab wound under his right ear.

 

[nells]

Think the jury question about PTSD and it coming from a bad haircut was a jab at Jodi's bangs?

I thought it was a jab at Dr. Samuels. His hair was longer (in the back) during his first day on the stand -- almost like he had a mullet.

 

[Sulamith]

I read somewhere that neither of these were permitted by the judge. It's because neither were 1) reported to the police, and 2) proven to be initiated by Jodi.

Word is, there was another girlfriend in Travis' life who allegedly might have written Lisa that crazy email. Also, there was another ex-girlfriend with a jealous, estranged husband who allegedly could have slashed the tires.

Neither incident was on file as a police report, so they're considered too loosy-goosy to be used in a DP case, I guess.

Here is the crazy email that Lisa Andrews received. I don't think it was from JA. Too much Mormon speak in the email. Sounds, to me like a male Mormon.

"You are a shameful *advertiser censored*. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving away the Holy Ghost, and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future, your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions. You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don’t ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/woman-arias-invoked-god-nasty-email-me


I "heard" that the email might have been sent by a male who wanted to date Lisa.

 

[Pensfan]

Didn't the ME state that the chest wound would have bled internally? which could give Travis some time to move around, not good mind you but possibly still alert enough to move around for a few minutes? less than 2 min would make sense.. I just cant figure out where the throat slash happened at the sink or down the hallway when pic was taken, blood was already flowing in pic right?

The autopsy stated that Jodi sliced his subclavian and jugular. These are very large blood vessels. The huge clotted dark area on the floor at the end of the hall would be where Jodi sliced these huge blood vessels.

Travis had a right pneumothorax (right collapsed lung) and because it was caused by a traumatic injury (stab), it would have been a hemothorax (lung filling with blood). This stab was likely the same deep stab that nicked his Superior vena cava (another large blood vessel).

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Didn't the ME state that the chest wound would have bled internally? which could give Travis some time to move around, not good mind you but possibly still alert enough to move around for a few minutes? less than 2 min would make sense.. I just cant figure out where the throat slash happened at the sink or down the hallway when pic was taken, blood was already flowing in pic right?

Bled internally and externally, gasping for air and coughing up blood due to the lung puncture. As Arishia explained earlier:

"I understand where you are coming from, but if the first stab happens as you are trying to get up from sitting in a small shower stall, and cuts through your superior vena cava, you would be immediately stunned and very weakened. Blood immediately fills your right lung space, then starts coming up your trachea out your mouth and you begin struggling to inflate your collapsed lung and move air past the blood, which is very irritating to airway tissues. You get light headed and primarily focused on getting your breath, though trying to also fend off your attacker. Acute respiratory distress is one of the most difficult problems for people to cope with, aside from burns. IMHO"

 

[legalmania]

I was meaning by Voir Dire, it is easy to not get selected, if you really do not want to serve, Simply state that you have heard about the case and do not feel you could be impartial, with all the questions, I think it is more difficult to get selected. But I think a lot of people want to be on Jury's, and even answer in ways to get selected.

Yes it is once you know what the case is about. I always get selected because I'm a paralegal. I have been picked 5 times. The last one I didn't want to do because it was an animal cruelty case. I told them I would rule guilty and could get everyone to rule guilty, no matter what the circumstances were. I also said I would not look at any pictures and may become violent toward the defendant. I got off.

 

[ChinaBlue]

This defense "expert" makes me laugh.

I work in clinical research and audit hundreds of these psych tests and assessments weekly. If the instructions for the respondents and assessors are not strictly adhered to, the data can not be used within the clinical trial. We call these Protocol Violations. In these cases, a note-to-file would need to be completed by the assessor or rater explaining why the instructions were not adhered to and the corrective action for prevention of future violations or deviations in the future. This document would be signed and dated by the assessor and filed in the participant's file. A copy of the document would also be sent to the companies (pharmaceutical), central file which keeps copies of every document within the trial regarding violations and deviations.

Here's a couple of many possible Protocol Violations that renders data useless:

- Using pencil.
This is document use 101. ALL clinical notes, tests, assessments, corrections, everything must be completed in ink. In medical records, using pencil, white out, or scribbles to obscure a revised word or number would render the data useless.
Lets say the participant inadvertently circled reaponse 1 instead of 2, the response would need to be lined through as to not obscure the original response, then the revised response completed agar to the initial response, initialed and dated by the person who completed the response keeping in mind the the assessor can not revise the participants response, must be done at the time of the assessment and corrected as detailed above by the participant. Corrections can't be completed after the day of the assessment or test. Lol

-Using a "handmade" response form for a standardized test and transferring raw data by the assessor.
I laughed out loud when I saw legal pad pages with JAs responses...in pencil!!!! Did she even sign and date these pages, Lol...and to top it off...the transfer of raw data by RS from the handmade form...in pencil...to the answer/response....in pencil...lol. In addition, to not have the entirety of the original test/scale/assessment, which includes the responses, signed and dated by both the assessor and participant.....in INK....stapled and all pages accounted for...1 of 1, 2 of 2, etc...filed in the participants file makes my brain scramble.

I could go on and on...

Lets just say, for clinical trials, if the FDA stopped by and audited files like this, which they can do at any time as federal officers, RS would be visibly shaking. If one person is consistently found in violation, the FDA could revoke their professional license for a lifetime. The worst part, the integrity of the data could place the validity of all data within the clinical trial in jeopardy.

There must be protocols for medical expert assessments, in record keeping, hired by the state for their data to be admissible in a trial. I can't wrap my head around the fact that anything he touched is admissible in this murder trial.

But why did the prosecution allow this into trial? One of my hypothesis:HHJP: is that it gives JM a lot to play with. Also, it doesn't look very good that the state hired RS, even though he is a defense expert.

By the way, has anyone put together a picture of JW with an outline of her mono color skirt suit that you can click to change the color and also change the rotation of her "bold" necklaces and sling backs...like the metallic gold she wore today! It think it would be a lot of fun to play with during her questioning to pass the time.

I'm pretty sure JM will have his own expert explain all of that. That should finally lay to rest absolutely everything RS spouted on the witness stand.

 

[Pensfan]

Here is the crazy email that Lisa Andrews received. I don't think it was from JA. Too much Mormon speak in the email. Sounds, to me like a male Mormon.

"You are a shameful *advertiser censored*. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving away the Holy Ghost, and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future, your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions. You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don’t ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/woman-arias-invoked-god-nasty-email-me


I "heard" that the email might have been sent by a male who wanted to date Lisa.

Jodi used the odd word "whoredom" while on the stand. She wrote the craycray email, IMO. In addition, few people would chose to use the word "posterity", but Jodi Arias aka Ms. Thesaurus.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I know. I wish I had a screenshot of JW's face when he first said that. Her eyes looked like saucers.

Here ya go



And here's the Youtube from Croakerqueen123. It happens around the 8:40 mark.


[video=youtube;UrvRtuRzOOI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrvRtuRzOOI[/video]

 

[katydid23]

No worries about that, JM will straighten that out. Jodi apparently had initially told LV Travis was on the computer on Jan. 21 but was forced to change to prints in his bed when no child *advertiser censored* was found on his computer.

That's what I've heard. But just recently the killer said on the stand " I never told her that" So I got worried. But why would I believe her anyway.

That would be amazing if Juan could get the expert to testify that originally the killer said he was looking at the computer. Especially given her creative image of the dancing photo, falling randomly like photos do. :giggle:

I want to see the gas station employee be sworn in to testify that all 3 receipts were for gasoline. And I want to hear the Walmart employee testify that there were no gas cans returned that day. And the DV expert say that she told her TA was looking at *advertiser censored* on his computer. End.Of.Story. :jail::jail::jail:

 

[katiedid2]

Ok ima day late and a penny short! What's up with Martinez referring to the copies that don't have punched holes or do have?

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Well I'm fftobed: g'nite all, and thanks for another great day of insight!

Sleep well.

 

[fred_]

Yeah, it should be interesting. I'll guess that she is trying to change careers and only work as a expert witness as the reimbursement is most excellent. (She has to start somewhere.)

With a defense attorney LEADING her (and the judge allowing it), her testimony will outline all the abusive things Travis allegedly did to Jodi. She will go over the symptoms of PTSD and how Jodi exhibited these symptoms. She may also come up with crap about why Jodi doesn't remember stabbing Travis. She will definitely come up with excuses about why Jodi lied and lied to the detectives.

I am SHOCKED that the defense lawyers have no idea how to ask a non leading question. And when JM objects they are visibly irritated by it and they rephrase the question but AGAIN still in a leading manner. Im yelling at my computer screen every few minutes. Im a lawyer and the Judges i appear in front of would lose it in 5 min if i continued to do this. Its really insane to see.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Here is the crazy email that Lisa Andrews received. I don't think it was from JA. Too much Mormon speak in the email. Sounds, to me like a male Mormon.

"You are a shameful *advertiser censored*. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving away the Holy Ghost, and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future, your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions. You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don’t ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/woman-arias-invoked-god-nasty-email-me


I "heard" that the email might have been sent by a male who wanted to date Lisa.

Sounds exactly like something JA would write, imo.

 

[ChinaBlue]

Best line of the day by the good Dr. "A diagnosis of PTSD is not a get out of jail free card". I thought JW was going to pee her pants over that one. The looks on her and JA's faces were epic. Like it's been said many times tonight...he earns that $250 an hour. Hope the DT feels they're getting their money's worth. :great:

Could someone give an appoximate time on a youtube video when this was said. I apparently missed that.