long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[Sleuth5]

Berate her for what? Dropping out of High School, being nothing more than a waitress, stupid enough for signing up for Pre Paid Legal, thinking that the PPL events were great, stupid enough to have the Mormon missionaries over and actually believe in Mormonism, stupid enough to get baptized? She murdered TA..and it seems that the Prosecution has a good case...what else would anybody want. I have seen a few good cop/bad cop interrogations but have never seen one where the suspect is called an idiot or ugly.

I think you're missing Lil' Buddy's point. Someone needed to push her buttons -- and the only thing that will really do that is hitting at her ego. She lives in her own mind and for her own existence at all times. An aggressive questioner who challenged her on a personal level might well have produced a fit of temper or an unmeasured response. :cow:

 

[Sleuth5]

No way that JM would have been 'polite' to his fans and pose for photos or whatever if he had thought for a second that it would be a problem in any way. He's not that type of prosecutor. I'm sure he still thinks there was nothing wrong.

If you read my post you will see that I did not claim that there was anything wrong with what happened. What I said is that that kind of thing could cause a problem if a juror was to see it. I am certain JM would agree with that. I stand by that statement.

 

[carnnell]

As this case as keeping going on from the get go, it has been gnawing at me I have seen another case very similar to this one. It took this long for gnawing to finally pop in my head - "The Sheree Miller Murder Case" (Michigan Murder in 1999, Trial 2000) !!! Our beloved Court TV aired the Trial gravel to gravel. Lifetime made a movie of the case. *sigh*

The manipulation using sex, Internet ongoing communication (of course no txting then), etc. I followed up what happen with this case. She was granted a new trial based on technically, but the Supreme Court reversed the Appellate Court and re-instate to original verdict/sentence in 2004.

Lo and behold, In 2007, Sheree was Dx with PTSD!!! I don't how that was wig wagged because she wasn't the one who actually shot her husband she was just master manipulator to get another to do her dirty deed. In my opinion, they are just handing out that dx just a bit too freely.

Sheree and Jodi are two Peas and Pod. Though I believe Sheree was more methodical in her manipulation over time - sex sex sex, then throws in being pregnant, (with lots of props), miscarriage, physical abuse (with make-up to boot), etc. She went all out with the con.

She might have gotten away with it if the Billy ???? was savvy enough to hardcopy all the emails and Yahoo messenger conversations.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharee_Miller"]Sharee Miller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

http://bogbuster2.blogspot.com/2008/11/infamous-murderers-internet-related.html

 

[Truth Detector]

JA said that the Cinnabon thing was real.....we don't know if it ever happened. I don't know any guy who would give a recipe on perfumed paper. Anything she says must be run through a BS filter first.

To be fair....they were friends with benefits really or booty calls. I don't think the candy incident happened or that it happened the way she described. They used each other for sex and both were seemingly ok with this..although JA somehow thought she could change his mind.

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BBM

No relationship is perfectly 50/50 with respect to the parties' investments, but this one was beyond mildly imbalanced. It was downright lopsided.

JA wanted to be Miss Cancun, workin' her moneymaker with any PPL Mormon who seemed to have the Midas touch, and TA was her first choice.

In return for sex and other 'consideration' of dubious value, she wanted him to put a ring on that catawampus digit. But that just wasn't gonna happen.

We know how she decided to end their story, with much malice aforethought.

 

[thefragile7393]

I think you're missing Lil' Buddy's point. Someone needed to push her buttons -- and the only thing that will really do that is hitting at her ego. She lives in her own mind and for her own existence at all times. An aggressive questioner who challenged her on a personal level might well have produced a fit of temper or an unmeasured response. :cow:

Again....that questioning Flores did got the closest we will ever get to what happened that day. It seems like she bought the "I'm on your side, trust me" tone and she thought she could fool both detectives. It would have been nice to see her rattled but they clearly knew what they were doing. From what I saw she seemed genuinely surprised when Detective Flores told her that he didn't believe her. Then she showed her contempt for him in her testimony....sounded like she felt like she was betrayed.

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[smeck]

To put the pieces of this case together I had to:

1. View autopsy/crime screne photos (including nude and shower pics).
2. Read all texts and email exchanges available to us sleuthers.
3. Watch everyday of trial.
4. NOT watch HLN.
5. Educate myself on mormonmism
6. Read Det. Flores report and autopsy report (Dr. Horn).
7. Read both MySpace accounts and blogs

Excellent! I will trust your opinions greatly

 

[kkdj]

Looking at that photo, for the first time I see what appears to be Travis' left hand/thumb on his right bicep. Or I have had too much coffee. jmo

Could this be when she is slitting his throat?

 

[thefragile7393]

If you read my post you will see that I did not claim that there was anything wrong with what happened. What I said is that that kind of thing could cause a problem if a juror was to see it. I am certain JM would agree with that. I stand by that statement.

If he agreed to do it then likely he wouldn't agree it could affect a juror. Otherwise he wouldn't have seen it as a risk worth taking and it wouldn't have happened at all.

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[gngr~snap]

BBM

No relationship is perfectly 50/50 with respect to the parties' investments, but this one was beyond mildly imbalanced. It was downright lopsided.

JA wanted to be Miss Cancun, workin' her moneymaker with any PPL Mormon who seemed to have the Midas touch, and TA was her first choice.

In return for sex and other 'consideration' of dubious value, she wanted him to put a ring on that catawampus digit. But that just wasn't gonna happen.

We know how she decided to end their story, with much malice aforethought.

Jodi thought she was starring as the leading "Princess" role in a Disney movie,
Travis thought he was watching the Playboy channel.

She was looking for a lifetime contract, Travis was only interested in a trial subscription.

IMO you can't attract a prince by acting like a tramp...

 

[KandyKane]

I agree. I have a similar injury to my thumb. That being said, I am not a dr so there are probably variables in an untreated broken finger. But if Irc she said that Travis put a splint on it. If it 'froze' or whatever, the splint would cause the finger to heal straight as opposed to crooked. Why would they splint it bent?

Kelly

All broken finger splints are bent because slightly bent is the natural resting condition of the fingers. When the finger is straightened the tendons are stretched, so if it were to be splinted straight the tendons would be stretched the entire time the splint was on causing eventual pain and stressing the tendons so much for so long that permenant damage or weakness could occur.

I broke the middle finger of my right hand a couple of decades ago and it was never set since none of the bones were displaced. Most broken bones aren't so bad that anything is displaced and needs to be reset. In the case of a broken finger the splint is mostly to keep the finger immobile while it heals and prevent any further injury - just putting on and taking off your clothes without the splint could cause the finger the be jammed or bent in such a way as to make the break worse.

I agree with Flores that Jodi's finger was never broken and she cut it while stabbing Travis because of blood slippage on the knife handle that made her hand slip down the blade. If she actually has this oddly bent finger (which I'm not so sure she really does since many times it looks straight to me when she gestures) it's because of a damaged tendon that didn't heal correctly or was so damaged that it couldn't heal correctly even with treatment.

She also seems to have several stories about that finger - Travis broke it, she cut it on glass at his house, cut it on glass at work, and cut it on a piece of metal at work.

 

[Karmady]

Again....that questioning Flores did got the closest we will ever get to what happened that day. It seems like she bought the "I'm on your side, trust me" tone and she thought she could fool both detectives. It would have been nice to see her rattled but they clearly knew what they were doing. From what I saw she seemed genuinely surprised when Detective Flores told her that he didn't believe her. Then she showed her contempt for him in her testimony....sounded like she felt like she was betrayed.

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Lord knows she doesn't rattle easily! When I try to think about how I'd act if I had done what she did I have to laugh at how easy it would have been to catch me. Heck, I'd have had a panic attack to end all panic attacks and probably given myself a heart attack in the process -- no need for the needle. Maybe I'm just a wimp. But man, I would have been a hot, hot mess and GUILTY would have been stamped right across my forehead.

 

[SusieD]

I'm listening to the jurors questions again. I don't have the strength to listen to her interviews with the Detective.

Why do the jurors say things like 'Why did you decide to tell the truth after so many years' instead of 'Why did you decide to tell what you consider the truth after so many years?' Even with the child *advertiser censored* question it was 'Why did you sleep with Travis after you found out about the his child *advertiser censored* issues' rather than 'Why did you sleep with Travis after you found out about what you claim/alleged child *advertiser censored* issues?' Hope this makes sense.

They're not really acting so different from everyone here who argue a lot of points based on stuff Jodi has said, stuff not likely to be true. It's human nature to take off and ask questions and then, with reflection, come back and say, "oh yeah, the whole premise was false, never mind."

Another thing is that we can't hear the inflection or tone of their questions. Some are easy:

"is she taking meds for her terrible PTSD?

you can hear the sarcasm dripping out of terrible

Imagine the same sarcasm attached to the words "the truth" in your first question?

I think the phrasing of the questions is just how it is in their mind at that time, and they're not lawyers or trial watchers.

I would say the questions give a pretty clear impression that they don't buy much of anything she's said.

 

[KMouse]

I know what you mean, but maybe she could get more empathy if she quits the "giggly girly" schtick. Her daughter butchered another human being, could she just leave the giggles at home and away from the cameras. There's nothing funny about this situation for Jodi or the Alexander family.

She could also leave her purple domestic violence ribbon at home.

 

[SusieD]

Matt McCartney?

Jodi's magic decoder ring on the outside?

I think it's absolutely hysterical that there needed to be a "decoder" for 5 simple phrases that a sixth-grader could put into order in less than a minute.

 

[SunnyinMO]

Well, FWIW the Facebook Justice for Travis is saying that MM will NOT be part of rebuttal.

And how would anyone posting over there know? I have learned not to rely on any source except the 'direct source' ie: the prosecution. JMO

 

[Sleuth5]

Again....that questioning Flores did got the closest we will ever get to what happened that day. It seems like she bought the "I'm on your side, trust me" tone and she thought she could fool both detectives. It would have been nice to see her rattled but they clearly knew what they were doing. From what I saw she seemed genuinely surprised when Detective Flores told her that he didn't believe her. Then she showed her contempt for him in her testimony....sounded like she felt like she was betrayed.

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Yes, I agree that Flores did a fine job. The point was that a contrasting approach might have produced some result. It's something we will never know.

 

[LambChop]

I realize this is an unpopular position to take, but I was watching the night Jean Casarez made those comments. I didn't see anything wrong with her observation, and I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that JM would have agreed with her. We all know he didn't intend to "meet adoring fans," and she didn't suggest that he was doing that. The point was that it could become a problem if a juror was to see it.

She was right. It certainly could be a problem. I just can't hop on her for that statement, and I really do believe JM would agree and he will take steps to avoid the over-zealous fans now that he realizes that kind of thing may happen. He was obviously blindsided by what happened the first time.

Anyway, it seems entirely unreasonable to me to lay on Jean Casarez for this.

:cow:

With all JM's experience if it were improper he would not have done it. Plain and simple. Even if a juror saw him the same could have happened if JM were at a restaurant with a juror having dinner there at the same time. If this happened the juror should report that they saw JM and that nothing happened to influence them about the trial. That would be it. Nothing improper. This jury is not sequestered and it is possible that they could run into JM talking to a group of people or a single person at any time. As long as JM is not discussing the trial there should be no problem. jmo

 

[Softail]

http://travisalexandercrimescene3d.com/

I thought this was pretty cool. A walk-thru 3d made crime scene. Use the arrow keys to move thru the rooms, and your mouse to move the camera.

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Sleuth5]

If he agreed to do it then likely he wouldn't agree it could affect a juror. Otherwise he wouldn't have seen it as a risk worth taking and it wouldn't have happened at all.

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Maybe. He might also have simply been surprised and acted politely in what was obviously an awkward situation based on the video of the event. If it happens again, I suppose you will be proven correct.

 

[wasnt_me]

iirc - Travis said on the sex tape that he had never masterbated before. His words were (j@cked off) & that the KY jelly that JA provided made it much better. He said he had never heard of it before.

For me, this is one of the few things I don't believe regarding Travis. I think they were having sex talk, saying things to turn each other on and so he said that, not necessarily that it was true.