long weekend break: discuss the latest here #114

[gngr~snap]

Needless to say, this old owl will not be endeavoring to determine how many licks it takes to get to the center.

:floorlaugh: I still can't believe they showed them in court!
Couldn't we just take them at their word?

Unless she did upload them from another camera and JM will come to that later.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I really like the last song in this tribute video. I've tried desperately to find out who sings it but no luck. Anyone know? if so TIA would be an understatement :luv:

Sorry, did you mean this one? Guy has a beautiful voice, but looks like a sumo wrestler LoL. Wow. [video=youtube;V1bFr2SWP1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I[/video]

 

[Sleuth5]

Yes, Sleuth.
Thanks.

Listen, there are literally hundreds of different ideas on that topic; there are a couple of threads devoted to it, but you can find posting comments regarding the sequence of events in almost every thread, as people tend to discuss gun/knife first almost everywhere at some point.

Same goes for motive. I couldn't even begin to summarize all the possible theories I've read in the past couple of months on that -- just dive in at the beginning of a thread and read through, you'll see plenty of them. Sorry I can't be more specific.

 

[Sleuth5]

:floorlaugh: I still can't believe they showed them in court!
Couldn't we just take them at their word?

Unless she did upload them from another camera and JM will come to that later.

I for one am hoping that Juan can somehow restore the luster of the Tootsie Pop, yet another victim in this case. And I'm with you; I don't have to see the delivery to know the baby's been born.

 

[gngr~snap]

I for one am hoping that Juan can somehow restore the luster of the Tootsie Pop, yet another victim in this case. And I'm with you; I don't have to see the delivery to know the baby's been born.

That is why I do not believe the pics (of her) were taken June 4 08~
but that is MOO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I really like the last song in this tribute video. I've tried desperately to find out who sings it but no luck. Anyone know? if so TIA would be an understatement :luv:

It's a beautiful song. I have trouble understanding every word, but if you can translate the chorus, or even the first phrase - just enter those words with "lyrics" and it should help you find the song and the artists who sing it.
PS let me know if you figure it out

 

[justsharing]

Couldn't they prove this with just phone records; as in JA never called DB's sister. DO they really need her to say that Jodi never called?

I think it would be more proof of premeditation. She claimed first on the phone with Flores that she did go see her then it was "well I called her and waited but she didn't get back to me." She then went on telling her lies about getting lost but iirc after she admitted going to Travis' that it was because Laura didn't get back to her and then she talked to Travis and she decided to go see him. Does anyone else think this would help the jury see her premeditation if it's a proven lie? It just seems important to me, like if a juror is on the fence about premed. vs. heat of passion (cause nobody buys the self defense) I think it would push them over:twocents:

 

[Sleuth5]

That is why I do not believe the pics (of her) were taken June 4 08~
but that is MOO

I don't know if I exchanged that with you or someone else, but I also share suspicion about whether all of the pics were taken on that date -- but it does seem difficult t construct a supported argument for that position. I've heard some theories about her taking pictures from another monitor, for example, but I think it would be possible to detect that. Anyway, it is interesting.

 

[Hatfield]

I am new to this thread, but I have followed somewhat for some time including at radaronline.com at which I've seen some of the trial.

Did some reading on this, and previous, threads. What do you all think made her do what she did at that pearticular time?

Thank you.

IMO
I think that letter that Travis wrote her where he finally told her off and explained to her that she was basically an evil sociopath made Jodi decide to begin planning his murder. I think Jodi knows inside she is abnormal but she lives in denial and when someone tells her the truth about herself, she cannot accept it and gets hostile to the extreme.

 

[Sleuth5]

I think it would be more proof of premeditation. She claimed first on the phone with Flores that she did go see her then it was "well I called her and waited but she didn't get back to me." She then went on telling her lies about getting lost but iirc after she admitted going to Travis' that it was because Laura didn't get back to her and then she talked to Travis and she decided to go see him. Does anyone else think this would help the jury see her premeditation if it's a proven lie? It just seems important to me, like if a juror is on the fence about premed. vs. heat of passion (cause nobody buys the self defense) I think it would push them over:twocents:

It sure wouldn't hurt.

 

[fran]

I am new to this thread, but I have followed somewhat for some time including at radaronline.com at which I've seen some of the trial.

Did some reading on this, and previous, threads. What do you all think made her do what she did at that pearticular time?

Thank you.

This is just my opinion, but.........TA's friends said that TA was working with his church (I also heard he'd gone to his Bishop) to straighten out his wandering ways, ie his sexual relationship with JA. It appears TA caught JA lying to him so he sent her the final kiss off notes around 5/25 or 5/26, JA's grandpa's 25 went missing on 5/28, and he was murdered on 6/4.

I've also heard from TA's friends on the talk shows that for quite awhile JA thought SHE was going to go to Cancun with TA, but then they broke up in April, or she decided to move back to California and KNEW that the Mexico trip was just in a few days and JA THOUGHT the girl he was taking was the ONE (ie TA wanted to marry and SHE wanted to marry him.) JA didn't know that it had already been agreed that the girl going was going JUST AS A FRIEND. She didn't find that out until AFTER she killed TA.

The most DANGEROUS time in an abusive relationship is at the final break up. You put that in there, he was outting her to all of HIS friends and church and employer (they both worked for), he was going away on a romantic vacation with his intended (she thought), .................... She HAD to kill him! She just had to!...... If she couldn't have him, NO ONE would.

So she stabbed him, cut his throat, and for good measure, shot him in the head like the story he'd told over and over and over, of the previous encounter he'd had looking at death's door.

JMHO
fran


PS.... fwiw, seeing a young love abusive relationship starting to develop, I learned that often times the abuser will constantly cause drama! Many times they break up with their target, only to come back a short time later and say they changed their mind. But the constant back and forth can cause such havoc, the target will sometimes declare at the end of yet another break up, 'They've had it! No more.' When the abuser realizes this time they really did it, they start stalking until ................ fran

 

[shane13]

Listen, there are literally hundreds of different ideas on that topic; there are a couple of threads devoted to it, but you can find posting comments regarding the sequence of events in almost every thread, as people tend to discuss gun/knife first almost everywhere at some point.

Same goes for motive. I couldn't even begin to summarize all the possible theories I've read in the past couple of months on that -- just dive in at the beginning of a thread and read through, you'll see plenty of them. Sorry I can't be more specific.

Thanks.
But it was not about "gun/knife."

I did not find much or anything on this thread, about what precipitated it at that moment--or do most here believe she planned it for some time?

JMOOC but if jurors believe sexual abuse went on for some time (which of course she could have ended at any time) some may want to vote for a lesser conviction--especially perhaps the women jurors.

Is it known how many jurors are female??

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't know if I exchanged that with you or someone else, but I also share suspicion about whether all of the pics were taken on that date -- but it does seem difficult t construct a supported argument for that position. I've heard some theories about her taking pictures from another monitor, for example, but I think it would be possible to detect that. Anyway, it is interesting.

Didn't I hear Juan has a computer/electronic forensic guy from the PD scheduled to testify?

ETA:
Jodi even alluded to swapping memory cards in the cameras during her interrogation didn't she?

 

[SwampMama]

I bet the DT has been watching juror #5 for a while. If a juror is engaged and attentive, and taking lots of notes (like it's been said about this juror) it could be bad for their client. Not because of any kind of prejudice, but because that juror is paying attention and could be an influencer when it comes to deliberations. If this is the juror JA has been trying so desperately to woo and that juror is not responding favorably to her, maybe they just want her off and they've simply been waiting for a chance to find something to base a motion on. I would not put it past this DT to pull that tactic.

I agree 100%. JSR had a great post also about the mitigation specialist watching the jury so I imagine they have seen the expressions and action and such of the jury and know who isn;t buying the "Poor Jodi" song and dance.

But thats (kinda) why we started off with so many jurors, so they can lose a few but the trial goes on.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Neil Diamond "Man of God". http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/neil_diamond/man_of_god.html.

Is that the first song? Do you know what the last one is?

 

[katiedid2]

IMO
I think that letter that Travis wrote her where he finally told her off and explained to her that she was basically an evil sociopath made Jodi decide to begin planning his murder. I think Jodi knows inside she is abnormal but she lives in denial and when someone tells her the truth about herself, she cannot accept it and gets hostile to the extreme.

I wonder what she did to send him over. The edge.I guess she did many things but what. Set him off on this angry tirade, thi particular time.

 

[shane13]

This is just my opinion, but.........TA's friends said that TA was working with his church (I also heard he'd gone to his Bishop) to straighten out his wandering ways, ie his sexual relationship with JA. It appears TA caught JA lying to him so he sent her the final kiss off notes around 5/25 or 5/26, JA's grandpa's 25 went missing on 5/28, and he was murdered on 6/4.

I've also heard from TA's friends on the talk shows that for quite awhile JA thought SHE was going to go to Cancun with TA, but then they broke up in April, or she decided to move back to California and KNEW that the Mexico trip was just in a few days and JA THOUGHT the girl he was taking was the ONE (ie TA wanted to marry and SHE wanted to marry him.) JA didn't know that it had already been agreed that the girl going was going JUST AS A FRIEND. She didn't find that out until AFTER she killed TA.

The most DANGEROUS time in an abusive relationship is at the final break up. You put that in there, he was outting her to all of HIS friends and church and employer (they both worked for), he was going away on a romantic vacation with his intended (she thought), .................... She HAD to kill him! She just had to!...... If she couldn't have him, NO ONE would.

So she stabbed him, cut his throat, and for good measure, shot him in the head like the story he'd told over and over and over, of the previous encounter he'd had looking at death's door.

JMHO
fran


PS.... fwiw, seeing a young love abusive relationship starting to develop, I learned that often times the abuser will constantly cause drama! Many times they break up with their target, only to come back a short time later and say they changed their mind. But the constant back and forth can cause such havoc, the target will sometimes declare at the end of yet another break up, 'They've had it! No more.' When the abuser realizes this time they really did it, they start stalking until ................ fran

Thank you for this Fran!

BIB: Is it known that he told everything to people (elders?, Bishop?) in the Church?
That did not get him into trouble with that Church?

 

[Charterhouse]

I am sure the tax payers in Arizona can hardly wait for a mistrial so that they can pay for this fiasco all over again. (lol)

 

[dadgum]

No but I believe others can obtain a copy. I will try to get a copy tomorrow.

http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/AriasJuror.pdf

Reposting the motion regarding the juror, in case this is what you're looking for.. fftobed:

 

[Sleuth5]

Thanks.
But it was not about "gun/knife."

I did not find much or anything on this thread, about what precipitated it at that moment--or do most here believe she planned it for some time?

JMOOC but if jurors believe sexual abuse went on for some time (which of course she could have ended at any time) some may want to vote for a lesser conviction--especially perhaps the women jurors.

Is it known how many jurors are female??

I don't believe for one moment that it was a crime of passion. I think JM has done an excellent job of proving premeditation. I think she intended to kill him in the shower because she thought it would be neat and tidy. In my view, she may have planned to actually take his body out of the house after cleaning it up there. Obviously, it did not go well.

I agree with Fran regarding the larger motive -- the Cancun trip, probably some emails she read via Travis' FB account, who knows -- she was sneaking into them all the time, by her own admission. She did not know that Mimi had already decided that she was just going to be friends with Travis, because in the interview with Flores she speaks of Mimi as being Travis' new serious interest. But -- she had received the nastygram from Travis, and we don't really know what it's about at this point. She did something to make him very angry -- and to accuse her of being a sociopath and a scammer. She may very well have shared her "sex tape" with someone. Who knows.

Anyway, my favorite is that Travis had gone to his bishop (by his friend's statements) and had told Mimi he was not "temple-worthy," meaning he had likely confessed and was going to stay away from JA. I don't personally think he knew she was coming. I think she came intending to give him one more chance to take her to Cancun and go back to being a good little automaton to do her bidding (and marry her). He didn't, and she killed him. She came there ready to do it in my view, and did it when he did not comply with her obviously delusional wishes.

That's my :twocents: :cow: