LP's Confidence

[Bev]

You know what is kind of silly about LP's theorizing? He's looking for long periods of time for body disposal - it wouldn't take more than a minute for someone to throw a body in a dumpster, in the woods or in a body of water. KC is about self preservation not respect for the dead.

 

[future criminologist]

There's something about LP's confidence that makes him believable. At the same time, this is the man who said that Caylee would be home by her birthday.

Last night on NG, he said that KC left the rag in the car for Caylee to breathe until she died. He was also absolutely certain that the body would by found by Monday. Something in me believes this man and I don't know why.

I know this has been asked before but does he have inside information that we're not privy of? He's not part of LE but does he have something in the SA's office leaking this info to him?

to me, his theories are about as credible as Casey's right now. you could come up with any number of scenarios for what happened, but there has to be tangible evidence to go on. that's why I want to know what other evidence he is going on that makes him "so sure' that Caylee is in the lake at Blanchard Park, other than the beads and the cross. that could so easily be a hoax. and TM did say that they had sonared the lake and no evidence of a human body showed up, which is actual evidence to back up his word. I hate to be a doubter, but I've never put any stock in any of LP's theories, because he can't provide evidence to go on. I really do think he just wants to be 'involved' somehow in the investigation, any way he can. until he starts showing me otherwise, I doubt he has any real "evidence' other than rumor and gossip.

 

[magiemay]

I agree that they are all good-hearted men.

Of course she doessn' there will be no more tshirt sales ,gift cards, limo rides to gma, and all the cash will end. jmo

 

[future criminologist]

anyone know how to get a hold of LP? I have a hunch about little econ state park

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do share with the rest of us!

 

[BondJamesBond]

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do share with the rest of us!

FYI...Manatee posted same on another thread which was answered and ultimately the thread was merged. FYI only.

 

[future criminologist]

to me, his theories are about as credible as Casey's right now. you could come up with any number of scenarios for what happened, but there has to be tangible evidence to go on. that's why I want to know what other evidence he is going on that makes him "so sure' that Caylee is in the lake at Blanchard Park, other than the beads and the cross. that could so easily be a hoax. and TM did say that they had sonared the lake and no evidence of a human body showed up, which is actual evidence to back up his word. I hate to be a doubter, but I've never put any stock in any of LP's theories, because he can't provide evidence to go on. I really do think he just wants to be 'involved' somehow in the investigation, any way he can. until he starts showing me otherwise, I doubt he has any real "evidence' other than rumor and gossip.

not that I think he shouldn't be investigating - anything he can do helps - and who knows, he could find her somewhere no one else would think to look. I appreciate his effort, I'm just not keen on the way he's going about it.

 

[Bev]

Why should this man be investigating, Future Crim? He has no expertise, he has no training and he has no understanding whatsoever of forensics. Not everything that someone does is helpful and in fact what he has done so far is harmful.

 

[kgeaux]

Well...I think it is simply wrong to keep on trying to dig things up on LP just to put him down. TES is packing up to go find 4 more missing people where families want them found which is what they need to do, but LP isn't. He will be out with the OCSO, FBI, and searchers tomorrow at Jay Blanchard Park still looking for Caylee. Give this man some credit where credit is due!!

I don't think that anyone is trying to "put him down." I know that all I've learned from his various theories, all of which were given out with an air of 'I know something you don't know!', is to take Leonard with a grain of salt.

He said those things. It won't hurt anyone to "give him credit" for those things AS WELL AS the times you believe he has been credible. IOW, note the good and the bad, the right and the wrong. And THEN decide how much weight you as an individual want to give him.

FBI? I don't think so?

umm..Did you misread or skip over where I said "some people"? :waitasec: If the shoe fits.....

No, PonderingMind, I did not misread. You made a point, I countered it. What you see as dissing is merely an effort to point out some of Leonard's less than stellar moments. Dissing would be to call him an old coot, or make fun of him because of his venacular or the way he dresses. It is not disrespectful to mention that a person's past statements about a case have all proven to be false.

The disrespectful shoe doesn't fit my foot!

Depends on who you ask.

According to LP, the FBI is right there along side him and has turned the Blanchard search over to him

Ask the local FBI and there is a resounding NO.

The FBI is denying it, the divers aren't in uniform; I haven't caught the FBI in numerous inaccuracies; I'm going to go with the FBI in this case.

Why should this man be investigating, Future Crim? He has no expertise, he has no training and he has no understanding whatsoever of forensics. Not everything that someone does is helpful and in fact what he has done so far is harmful.

This is exactly my point. He might well muck up a crime scene if he stumbles upon it. His motives are perhaps good, perhaps vindictive, I don't know. I do know a bunch of civilians trampling over a crime scene will ONLY benefit the defense. LP needs to do what he does best, and leave the searches to the ones who KNOW what they are doing.

 

[okiedokietoo]

to me, his theories are about as credible as Casey's right now. you could come up with any number of scenarios for what happened, but there has to be tangible evidence to go on. that's why I want to know what other evidence he is going on that makes him "so sure' that Caylee is in the lake at Blanchard Park, other than the beads and the cross. that could so easily be a hoax. and TM did say that they had sonared the lake and no evidence of a human body showed up, which is actual evidence to back up his word. I hate to be a doubter, but I've never put any stock in any of LP's theories, because he can't provide evidence to go on. I really do think he just wants to be 'involved' somehow in the investigation, any way he can. until he starts showing me otherwise, I doubt he has any real "evidence' other than rumor and gossip.

Curious
Were any of the other theories more true?
i.e. where the other searches were located?
Was she found where LE suggested to TM to search?
It's all theories - only the person that put Caylee where she is knows

 

[Boston]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE : And why don`t you ask Mr. Padilla, who did he give the $50,000 to? Who did he pay that money to, to get that bond?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm, OK, well, Leonard, you want to answer that one?

PADILLA: Sure, I got no problem with it. It was paid to my nephew. He`s a bail bondsman. That`s what he does for a living.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, listen, you know, the $50,000 goes back to the bail bondsman, which is your nephew, so it stays in the family, is what he`s saying.

PADILLA: Well, let me tell you about my family. I have two sisters that haven`t talked to me in 10 years. I got a brother in the same business. He hasn`t talked to me in 10 years.

PADILLA: I`m not making any money off the bond. My nephew`s making the $50,000 off the bond

 

[Macushla]

This is exactly my point. He might well muck up a crime scene if he stumbles upon it. His motives are perhaps good, perhaps vindictive, I don't know. I do know a bunch of civilians trampling over a crime scene will ONLY benefit the defense. LP needs to do what he does best, and leave the searches to the ones who KNOW what they are doing.

Stumbling across a crime scene could have happened to any of the searchers this weekend. As I did not go out on a search, I helped at search center, I don't know what kind of instructions anyone got about what to do if they found something. I would hope LP would have had enough sense to be careful and keep away all the people who were milling around, etc. I can't say I am positive he would have, I just hope. If remains had been found, especially Caylee's, there probably wouldn't have been a whole lot of evidence around it after all this time with the hurricane and all, but precautions should have been in place, just to be on the safe side. Oh and if the FBI had been involved, there is no way all the media and all the sight seers would have been able to get within 50 yards of the search site.

My problem is not that he went off on his own search - it was the way he did it with the maximum amount of publicity involved. It is the way he has been spouting off since beginning, all his predictions, the way he ignored TM and his request that we all not say one negative word about the Anthonys during the search, and of course the way I could so easily keep track of where LP was this weekend - I just had to look for a camera or a reporter and bingo! there he was.

 

[future criminologist]

Why should this man be investigating, Future Crim? He has no expertise, he has no training and he has no understanding whatsoever of forensics. Not everything that someone does is helpful and in fact what he has done so far is harmful.

all I meant was, hey, if he wants to pay for his own divers to go into every body of water in Florida, or search places that are not on LE's radar, hey - be my guest. it's his time and his money, and I don't see how that can hurt the case. On the other hand though, I don't think he should be throwing every theory he has out there in the media. I don't think THAT helps. I don't think he's using much discretion. I think his intentions are for press and attention, but if it helps them find Caylee, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing either. I think one of his 'methods' is to rile up the Anthonys and get them angry so they'll slip up. It's different from how TM and LE deal with them but maybe it will work.

 

[Boston]

PADILLA: It was obviously not the thing to do now that she -- because she didn`t talk. She didn`t say one word to anybody. I`ll tell you another thing. She didn`t say a word to me, she didn`t say a word to her mother or her dad or her brother

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PADILLA: Well, I believe it`s because of the same conversation I had with Cindy. When she told me that her daughter had told her the story about she went to Blanchard Park, and Zenaida and Samantha, her sister, took the baby away, gave her a scripted 30-day statement to make to police, and then when Casey herself gave me that statement about half an hour after the mom had given it to me.

 

[Boston]

PADILLA: Well, she has sent threats out like, you know, We`re going to get even with these bastards, especially Padilla, and she`s -- you know, she`s promulgated some of that stuff.

GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wait. Where did you see this?

PADILLA: It`s on her MySpace to her boyfriend...

GRACE: And exactly what did it say?

PADILLA: As soon as I get out of here, or something to that effect, we`re going to get even with these bastards, especially Padilla

 

[kgeaux]

PADILLA: It was obviously not the thing to do now that she -- because she didn`t talk. She didn`t say one word to anybody. I`ll tell you another thing. She didn`t say a word to me, she didn`t say a word to her mother or her dad or her brother

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PADILLA: Well, I believe it`s because of the same conversation I had with Cindy. When she told me that her daughter had told her the story about she went to Blanchard Park, and Zenaida and Samantha, her sister, took the baby away, gave her a scripted 30-day statement to make to police, and then when Casey herself gave me that statement about half an hour after the mom had given it to me.

This is the kind of thing I've been talking about. This isn't a theory that Leonard threw out there, asking us all to consider. This is black vs. white.

Kinda like the JCP receipt and the two crosses. He didn't say "Cindy might be hiding a receipt because it shows Casey bought two crosses and buried one of them with Caylee." He made it sound as though Cindy were covering up for Casey, when the truth is that law enforcement doesn't need the family's copy of the receipt! How stupid is it of him not to know that law enforcement could/would and probably DID subpeno the receipt from JCP if they thought it had the slightest bearing on what happened to little Caylee! But Leonard did not present his statements with any kind of "maybe" to them. Nope, he was WAY more definitive than that. And he was wrong.

It's not the theories, guys.

 

[Boston]

PADILLA: Oh, yes. She figures she is in complete control, and I can tell you this. She knows where the body is. And my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid, because she is that idiotic about doing things.

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PADILLA: So she`s not exactly the psycho queen that everybody wants to make her out. She`s thinking constantly on her feet, like where do I go with this smell? What do I do? Somebody has got to come with a can of gas, what do I do?

 

[panthera]

It's very possible we will never find Caylee and we will just have to start to realize that even if we don't find her remains, she is not lost! She is home! She is where she is warm, loved, and wrapped in the arms of our Father-
who will not let this go unpunished. Vengence is His to dole out the way He wants, and it will a far worse punishment than we could ever exact for whatever happened to the newest angel in Heaven.
If Caylee is never found (but, I pray she is) it does not mean she will not have justice-it just means justice may be delayed. As angry as KC and the Anthony's have made me(and I know made countless others), I don't want to be standing anywhere close to them when KARMA comes raining down!!

Oh I completely agree with you! :clap: There are many times when we may think somebody's gotten away with a terrible crime, but in the end, we don't know what awaits them when they leave this earth ~ only He does. And often times they do suffer miserably, such as from horrible illnesses, during their lifetime here. MOO

 

[panthera]

You know what is kind of silly about LP's theorizing? He's looking for long periods of time for body disposal - it wouldn't take more than a minute for someone to throw a body in a dumpster, in the woods or in a body of water. KC is about self preservation not respect for the dead.

And wasn't the only landfill that was checked the one where the dumpster contents from Amscot would've gone to? What about other dumpsters? Just because one was ruled out, doesn't mean that is exactly how Casey disposed of Caylee's remains. Sadly by the time she did remove them from the trunk they probably were no more than garbage to her. I recall Leonard mentioning a dumpster somewhere around TL's apt. on more than one of Nancy's shows. Of course now it's way too late to check the entire landfill, or maybe one that isn't even in Orlando. MOO

 

[future criminologist]

Oh I completely agree with you! :clap: There are many times when we may think somebody's gotten away with a terrible crime, but in the end, we don't know what awaits them when they leave this earth ~ only He does. And often times they do suffer miserably, such as from horrible illnesses, during their lifetime here. MOO

I agree with both of your completely - I said this somewhere on the forum last week. Even if her remains are never found, let's all take comfort in the truth that they are remains and nothing else - she is not hurting or suffering in any way. She is at peace up in Heaven and being protected by God with the other small children who are taken from this earth too soon. She is not in any pain. Her soul is at rest. And no earthly punishment can be as great as the punishment that Casey will receive from her maker when she leaves this earth (hopefully - I have never prayed for Hell to exist as much as in this case).

 

[Firefly]

PADILLA: Oh, yes. She figures she is in complete control, and I can tell you this. She knows where the body is. And my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid, because she is that idiotic about doing things.

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PADILLA: So she`s not exactly the psycho queen that everybody wants to make her out. She`s thinking constantly on her feet, like where do I go with this smell? What do I do? Somebody has got to come with a can of gas, what do I do?

Right or wrong, Leonard does not have to be. He is NOT the person that has a hand in secrets of Caylee's disappearance. This guy calls it like he sees it.....a Casey who is NOT crazy but a constant thinker. Yeah, he may be off the mark or seemingly right on at times, but I like him for keeping the Anthony's on their toes.....angry!!! The A's fill their lives with anyone that will be on their side (and keep them calmly in their denial) BUT they are willing to talk to Leonard and Tim for that matter they get under their skin. LP and Tim, are rocking the A's boat to keep them in reality and not settled in the idea that Caylee is still alive. There is a that shadow of doubt when they have communication with these guys. This is what makes the A's human again.
LP and Tim, I am sure would love to lay the truth in front of them.....Caylee.....and allow these grandparents to finally greive. This is what is so excruciating about this whole thing. The people that love this little girl the most do not grieve that they "lost her." Unfortunately, with all the unsuccessful searching it only plays into Casey's hands and keeps the A's searching and not imploring their daughter to tell the truth. LP and Tim keep rocking the boat.....keep searching until she is found....keep speculating the common sense as to how Casey did all this. The truth will be a relief to us all.