Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

[matou]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 4m4 minutes ago
People with borderline personality disorder often have history of neglect, abandon, psychiatrist testifies #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 4m4 minutes ago
Allard asked to give eg. of borderline personality, she points to characters on Unite 9. I'm guessing she may have lost some folks #Magnotta

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta. Changement de nom, transplantation de cheveux, ne sont pas spécifiquement traits narcissiques, dit la psy.
(Translation: changing his name, hair transplants, are not specific traits of narcissism)

Robin Edgar ‏@RobinEdgar 4m4 minutes ago
Luka Rocco #Magnotta's psychiatrist, Marie-Frederique Allard, suggesting that he might also suffer from #Narcissistic #PersonalityDisorder.

 

[matou]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 3m3 minutes ago
Allard noted narcissistic traits in #Magnotta. He craved admiration, mostly from his family, she says.

 

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uemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 6m6 minutes ago
Thats a hypothesis I had before even meeting #magnotta, Allard said. But discovered he didn't just post video for admiration

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 6m6 minutes ago
What about putting his crime video on-line? Could be linked to his narcissism says Dr Allard #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 6m6 minutes ago
But she says he likely didn't do it for admiration, it was part of his psychosis #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 6m6 minutes ago
The goal wasn't necessary admiration. It was to say stop harassing me, Allard says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
Was in psychotic state when wrote to journo Alex West, wasn't being treated, wasn't stable #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 5m5 minutes ago
Allard's opinion always goes back to #Magnotta experiencing psychosis. Says wearing wig, plastic surgery etc not necessarily narcissistic.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta a aussi traits histrioniques, i.e. une personnalité théâtrale, dit Allard. Il utilisait son apparence pour avoir de l'attention
(Translation: magnotta also has histrionic traits. He used his appearance/looks to get attention.)

 

[matou]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 6m6 minutes ago
Anti-social behaviour starts before 15 years old. People who lie, commit fraud, looking for trouble, fighting #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
People who lack empathy and think more of themselves and their own needs.

alimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 5m5 minutes ago
Allard says putting video online is explained more by #Magnotta psychotic state, done to make voices go away, not because of narcissism.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 4m4 minutes ago
Allard says #Magnotta committed anti-social acts, but is not an anti-social person

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 3m3 minutes ago
Allard repeats: it's a myth to think patients with schizophrenia are disorganized. It depends on symptoms, some are very organized #Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

I think the jury will find that narcissicism is the most likely cause for these things, rather than psychosis. I swear that Allard is secretly working for the prosecution! No wonder all of her clients get found guilty.

 

[matou]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 7m7 minutes ago
Allard says someone can be schizophrenic and still remain organized #Magnotta

Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli 4m4 minutes ago
Dr Allard: #Magnotta suffered from psychotic episode at time of crime, was not driven by narcissism, anti-social thoughts

 

[DaveNP]

I need to catch up but just wanted to thank whoever posted this >> http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Blatchford+Psychiatrist+testimony+sees+Magnotta+blame/10372505/story.html

Feel a bit better after reading that.Also about the email he sent to the Sun reporter............

'But there’s no way Magnotta could have known West had recorded the interview; that tidbit would have emerged in routine Crown disclosure to the defence, long after Magnotta had fired off his haughty note.'

Another nail in his coffin?

 

[matou]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Dr Allard says she's done over 850 psychiatric evaluations for the courts in the past 15 years. Majority for the Defence

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 4m4 minutes ago
After explaining different personality disorders Allard repeats her belief #Magnotta was experiencing a psychotic episode at time of crime

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 3m3 minutes ago
His psychosis was not drug-induced, says Dr Allard

Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli 4m4 minutes ago
In 15 years, Dr Allard has done betw 850 and 900 psychiatric evaluations. Met #Magnotta 7 times, 23 hrs total

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC 3m3 minutes ago
Le fait que #Magnotta a pris un ou deux comprimés de temazepam le soir du meurtre n'est pas un facteur clé, selon Allard.
(translation: the fact that magnotta took one or two temazepams the night of the murder is not a key factor according to Allard)

 

[matou]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
During evaluation with another psych, Joel Watts, #Magnotta mentioned Manny much more, that he spoke to him on phone during killing

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 3m3 minutes ago
True he reported different things. #Magnotta very complex and most difficult of my career, Allard says. When he spoke with me fewer symptoms

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 3m3 minutes ago
Allard says patients who fake tend to exaggerate symptoms. #Magnotta did not, she claims

 

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suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
Defence lawyer Luc Leclair finished questioning Allard. Now to cross examination by Crown Louis Bouthillier #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Me Leclair is done questioning Dr Allard. Expect a very tough cross-examination by prosecutor Louis Bouthillier #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Allard says she was hired a year ago in November 2013

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 5m5 minutes ago
Allard says version #Magnotta gave to her differs from an earlier version to Dr. Watts. She says that's normal, delirium fades with time.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 4m4 minutes ago
Allard says she knew another psych had seen #Magnotta but didn't know who it was or what conclusions were reached.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 4m4 minutes ago
Allard didn't know conclusions of Watt's report, so had no preconceptions. Followed it in media but nothing else

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 5m5 minutes ago
Aside from media coverage, she didn't have much knowledge of #Magnotta or his case as it pertains to her job, she tells Crown.

 

[matou]

Allard met with #Magnotta for about 23 hours total. Language wasn't a barrier for them (Allard's mother tongue is French)

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 6m6 minutes ago
Allard spent total of 23.5 hours with #Magnotta to make diagnosis. Says the language barrier didn't get in the way.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 7m7 minutes ago
Was there a language barrier? (#Magnotta isn't bilingual, Allard is French.) No, He spoke slowly enough an I explained myself if necessary.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 6m6 minutes ago
Crown asks Allard if there was a language barrier when she met #Magnotta, she had to speak English. She says she thinks it was fine.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 6m6 minutes ago
Allard was not able to speak to #Magnotta's family, save for his father

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 5m5 minutes ago
Both #Magnotta 's mother and sister refused to speak with Allard, she only spoke to his father.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Asked why she didn't interview people close to him at the time of the murder. Such as ex-boyfriend

 

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suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
#Magnotta met the unidentified man he was with a week before on Craigslist too, Allard says. But he was never traced

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky 5m5 minutes ago
Bouthillier is asking Allard why she did/didn't speak to certain people close to #Magnotta. She says she couldn't get a hold of mother.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 5m5 minutes ago
Crown points out Allard did not meet with people #Magnotta was close with in the days before killing. She says he wasn't around many people.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 5m5 minutes ago
Allard said she would like to know what was going #Magnotta's head at the time, but can never really find that, with all patients

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Allard says she wishes she could have met with everyone involved, but not possible. "we have to live with it"

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue 4m4 minutes ago
Allard said she asked questions several times and returned to subjects because it was extremely difficult for #Magnotta to talk about it

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta told Allard he killed Jun Lin, but wouldn't go into details or explain. Psy couldn't get answers

GF

 

[matou]

Gotta go now. Someone take over. This will be a good cross I hope! xo

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard said she asked questions several times and returned to subjects because it was extremely difficult for #Magnotta to talk about it

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2h 2 hours ago
#Magnotta was overwhelmed with what happened. Allard knew how Jun Lin was killed. He said he had a hammer to hang frames in his apt

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard didn't go over surveillance footage with #Magnotta to go over his comings and goings after the murder

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2h 2 hours ago
#Magnotta told Allard that it happened quickly but she didn't ask how Lin reacted

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
When someone in psychosis it's impossible to find logic in their behaviour. It's not based in reality, Allard says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
#Magnotta bought suitcase May 25, after killing Lin Jun. Didn't ask where he bought it. He put torso in it.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
#Magnotta bought paint at Omer Deserres and put it on suitcase, but Allard didn't ask why. Why did he slash it? Didn't remember

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
It was period of time that was very mixed up in his head and didn't remember everything, Allard said. Could it be he didn't want to answer?

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
He didn't always tell the truth in his life in order to avoid hospitalization, that's clear, Allard said. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
Can pathological lying be part of his illness, crown asks. What do you mean by that, Allard responds.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
Schizophrenia doesn't equal lying, Allard says. They may lie, but lots of people lie #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 40m 40 minutes ago
Allard said #Magnotta's memory could be affected because overwhelmed, very disturbed, ashamed. so could be reason why he can't remember

suemontgomery
‏@MontgomerySue
#Magnotta break till 2:15

 

[DaveNP]

So if he spoke to him on the phone,wouldnt phone records show that,it was shown he phoned Peterborough AFTER.

 

[Rayemonde]

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard says she didn't trace that mystery man #Magnotta took home the week before killing Jun Lin either. http://globalnews.ca/news/1665435/m...e-made-up-rumour-about-karla-homolka-liaison/

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Crown: why didn't Allard ask/push on certain topics: Exactly how Lin was killed, how Lin reacted? She says #Magnotta didn't always engage.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard saying she asked many questions she didn't get answers to. Crown wondering whether she pushed him.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Bouthillier asking now details about the black car that triggered the killing. Where was it? What kind of car? Was it parked or driving?

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard says #Magnotta was often confused and couldn't remember specifics/chronology.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Bouthillier: We see #Magnotta footage looking calm late on May 24.
Allard: Could be because Lin was dead and "threat" was gone.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard: Could also be because he went out for air. We're not certain exactly when Lin died. #Magnotta

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard: I have no doubt he was in psychotic state. So you can't find logic in every movement and action.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard: #Magnotta told me he decided to leave the suitcase with torso among his other belongings.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard: In #Magnotta's head, he had just killed a gov't agent, not a Chinese student.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard: So he wasn't thinking about being good or not to the victim and leaving the torso on the sidewalk.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 2h 2 hours ago
Bouthillier: You know he went and bought paint at an art store May 25 and painted the suitcase.
Allard: Yes
B: Did you ask him why?
A: No.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 1h 1 hour ago
Bouthillier: You don't find that interesting? That he went to the store to buy paint, then painted and cut the suitcase?

amy minsky @amyminsky · 1h 1 hour ago
Allard: We know #Magnotta hasn't always told the truth. He withheld some information from doctors, for example, she says.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 1h 1 hour ago
Allard: I did ask about the tools used in killing. #Magnotta said he just had them. Mini circular saw was in apt when he moved in, he said.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 1h 1 hour ago
Crown says that's not in the report ... Allard seems surprised.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 1h 1 hour ago
20- minute break.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 56m 56 minutes ago
Back with Dr. Allard's cross-examination, Bouthillier seems to be indicating a lot of #Magnotta's actions were calculated and deliberate.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 54m 54 minutes ago
Bouthillier: There is no one who has told us really how #Magnotta was acting in the days, hours before he killed Lin? Allard: Correct.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 51m 51 minutes ago
Bouthillier: How did he get Temazepam (prescription sleeping aid).
Allard: I understand it was from Dr. Weinstein
B: That was from 2010.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

OK, this Allard woman is making me :tantrum::maddening:anic::censored:

 

[DaveNP]

He didn't always tell the truth in his life in order to avoid hospitalization

You don't say lol.................same with avoiding any responsibility for everything hes done.
There seems to be a lot she didn't ask (aswell as he wouldn't answer),I would have thought with something like this there be no stone unturned??

 

[Rayemonde]

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 2h 2 hours ago
Prosecution wonders why #Magnotta would have left his apartment right after the murder, if he felt he was followed by government agents

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 2h 2 hours ago
Buying a suitcase the day after the murder: said it was for torso, abandoned it on sidewalk #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard says #Magnotta wasn't rational. Really thought he was killing a government agent.

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 2h 2 hours ago
Crown clearly pushing Allard to justify what he sees as calculated moves by #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 2h 2 hours ago
Allard admits #Magnotta doesn't always tell the truth.

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 1h 1 hour ago
Allard says she did ask #Magnotta about tools in his apartment. He said he just had them. She didn't write it in her report

Stephane Giroux @SGirouxCTV · 1h 1 hour ago
Morning break. Back in 20 minutes #Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

Domenic Fazioli @DomenicFazioli · 2h 2 hours ago
Crown cross-examination of Dr Allard has begun. Tells prosecutor she came into file "with clear head", did not closely follow case in media

Domenic Fazioli @DomenicFazioli · 2h 2 hours ago
Dr Allard tells court #Magnotta did not give her specific details on how he killed Jun Lin.

Domenic Fazioli @DomenicFazioli · 2h 2 hours ago
Dr Allard: "In his head, he didn't think he was killing a Chinese student, he thought he was killing a government spy "

Domenic Fazioli @DomenicFazioli · 2h 2 hours ago
Court hears #Magnotta put paint on suitcase containing Jun Lin's remains & also cut it up. Crown suggests was one of many calculated moves

Domenic Fazioli @DomenicFazioli · 1h 1 hour ago
Dr Allard says #Magnotta told her electric saw was inside his appt when he moved in. Didn't make special purchase
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