GUILTY MA - Colleen Ritzer, 24, brutally murdered, Danvers, 22 Oct 2013 #2

[jacct]

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 49s49 seconds ago Salem, MA Jury back, judge back, and we're back in session

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 57s58 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff A child of 10 would only be able to hide symptoms of psychosis for weeks. Four years would be rare.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 34s35 seconds ago
Kinscherff says that it would be visible in weeks or months that a young child (10yo) was psychotic, like #PhilipChism says he was.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 55s55 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: red flag for hearing voices: variations of what they are saying, how many voices, who they represent.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Dr explaining the ?s he asks when a child says they are hearing voices. Looks for 'consistency of report'

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Doc would normally talk with people #PhilipChism lived with to ask about his behavior, but Diana Chism refused to talk to Kinscherff.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Replaying video of #PhilipChism arriving at school on Oct. 22, 2013. Kinscherff said he viewed it.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
Anything significant? Dr. Noted he has three bags as he arrives that day, different shirt.

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 45s46 seconds ago Another video: #PhilipChism walking to his last period class -- math with Ms. Ritzer. Kinscherff noted his demeanor and behavior.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 56s56 seconds ago
Now video of #PhilipChism leaving classroom, after Ritzer goes to bathroom. Chism walks towards her with hood up

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: I note change of #PhilipChism clothing. He looks up and down hall. Poss to see if others in hall.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff He looks up at surveillance camera, walks down hall after putting up his hood.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 56s56 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff obscuring his identity is consistent w/ he was aware of unlawfulness of his conduct.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 54s54 seconds ago
Meant #PhilipChism appreciated wrongfulness of his conduct, Making calculated decisions over course of conduct

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Now video of Ritzer going into bathroom, followed by Chism putting on gloves.

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 2m2 minutes ago
Dr says #PhilipChism behavior on surveillance video after murder shows calculated movements and effort to conceal.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 56s56 seconds ago
Kinscherff: #PhilipChism continued to obscure ID with hood, he put on gloves .. Shows he appreciates wrongfulness or criminality of conduct

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 48s49 seconds ago Salem, MA
Kinscherff showed where #PhilipChism put on gloves he brought to school before act. Again shows forethought and rational decision making

 

[jacct]

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago Dr. Kinscherff: Def & Ritzer in bathroom 6 mins. He was concerned about detection, student may have seen something

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: Leaving scene is consistent with aware of wrongfulness of action.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 51s51 seconds ago
Now to vid of Chism hood up, walking quickly down hallway down stairs and outside

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 34s34 seconds ago
ADA is showing Kinscherff more video. He notes #PhilipChism still has his hood up, carrying something with him, his or her clothes

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 59s60 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: Hood was up, face down, carrying something in hands. He was trying to take items fr scene.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 42s42 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: After being in shrub area, he no longer had items after. He was trying obscure involvement and knowledge of criminality

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Kinscherff: #PhilipChism showed numerous signs of trying to avoid detection for the crimes on DHS video

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 58s59 seconds ago
Dr said friend described #PhilipChism as shaking, sweating, looking like he lost something

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 50s51 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: #PhilipChism intentionally misleading friend to draw him away. Did it twice. Reflects appreciate wrongfulness

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 55s55 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff talked to student who was in Ritzer classroom w/ #PhilipChism before attack.

 

[jacct]

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 54s54 seconds ago After talking to a student in Ritzer class, girl interacted with #PhilipChism and he didn't seem "out of normal, distressed or upset."

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 58s58 seconds ago
Video now shows #PhilipChism with recycling bin he used to move, dispose Ritzer body

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Another video: #PhilipChism toting the bin into the bathroom. Emerging with balaclava over his face, tugging it down the hall.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 52s52 seconds ago
Next videos, we see #PhilipChism leave HS, pull bin outside

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 52s53 seconds ago
#PhilipChism has changed out of sweatshirt, took off sweatshirt with visible blood on it Dr says

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 59s60 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: Change of clothes at least in part to hide visible blood. Hid face w/mask when pulled bin.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 2m2 minutes ago
Ritzer's family endures once more the chilling video of #PhilipChism dragging her body out of Danvers High in a recycling bin.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Kinscherff says #PhilipChism leaves building and he lowers face mask as that might raise suspicions

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: If he is moving body, the manner is done to lower risk of being ID'd.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
The only one to notice is a dog #PhilipChism passes on his way to the woods who, tail wagging, tries to sniff the barrel.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. Kinscherff: If barrel used to move his belongings or her, shows appreciate knowledge of wrongfulness of act

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Jury seems to be paying close attention as Dr. Kinscherff describes significance of DHS surveillance video

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 2m2 minutes ago Salem, MA
#PhilipChism hid face with mask but also took it off when outside and it would look suspicious. Kinscherff: this shows keen understanding

 

[jacct]

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago ADA now asking about Ritzer body when found in woods, Dr says yes and he viewed area found

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: Condition of body in woods significant to findings.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Dr: condition of body she was subjected to overkill, damage beyond what was necessary, Akin to high emotional arousal

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: She was subject to overkill. Indicative of high emotional arousal.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff The stick found nr body suggested vaginal insertion. Low rate of behavior in sex assaults

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff It suggests attack in bathroom continued in woods. And shows dominance over the body.

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 1m1 minute ago
Dr says rape of Colleen Ritzer with stick indicates desire to 'humiliate victim, demonstrate power over them'

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Kinscherff: If she were dead at time of attack, then assault with foreign object suggests intense emotional domination

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff And that suggests total humiliation

 

[jacct]

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago Dr. Kinscherff Positioning of body suggests he was not suffering psychosis.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Dr: She was sexually positioned in this kind of pose

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
As a forensic psychologist, is that a crazy thing to do? Kinscherff indicates no

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Kinscherff: it's not uncommon in sexually-motivated homicides to sexually pose the body, like Ritzer's was.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff Time was taken to do this, thought to do it. Does not suggest psychosis.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
The positioning, the covering of her body with leaves and sticks, suggests it was done with purpose.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
Sidebar now

 

[kimi_SFC]

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Dr. Kinscherff's testimony (as being relayed via jacct's tweets) is crucial IMO. pc displayed an appreciation for the wrongfulness of his actions. The violation of her (I can't type the rest) and overkill, represented his need for dominance! He took Ms. Ritzer from this life with aforethought, and I, for one, am not buying the shenanigans the dt is trying to pull. :no:

I truly hope this Jury is able to see clearly through the smoke and mirrors. My heart continues to break for the Ritzer Family. :cry:

:rose:

:moo:

ETA: jacct, you are a warrior for #JusticeForColleen! The "Thanks" button just isn't enough to express how much I appreciate your efforts here on her thread. :takeabow:

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[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago #PhilipChism is watching himself on screen coming out of the woods, bloody and barefoot. HIs mother is bent over, not looking.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 59s59 seconds ago
Now to video of Chism leaving woods, going back inside DHS w/bloody clothes and to his locker and in/out bathroom

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Dr notes video #PhilipChism outside Danvers High shows him walking casually

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 58s59 seconds ago
#PhilipChism also changed his clothes, which may have been bloody and debris covered. Another indicator of deliberate action

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
Video shows #PhilipChism changing his clothes multiple times, indicating to Kinscherff he is calculating risk and wrongfulness of actions

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
#PhilipChism removed clothing from scene of the attack, another student said Chism as remarkably normal afterwards

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff saying all actions show #PhilipChism to be aware of the wrongfulness of his actions, & taking steps to hide it.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
#PhilipChism conversation with Kevin Hebert after -- significant bc of how unremarkable it was, doctor says

 

[Skigirl]

Was this witness originally called, or was he called because of the defense's last minute additions?


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[jacct]

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago Dr. Kinscherff: #PhilipChism use of victim's credit cards shows planning of post attack was not good, not complete

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
As minutes, hours go by, person believes they escaped detection Kinscherff says

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: Sometimes shows ambivalence of act, or grandiose feelings of invincibility.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 59s60 seconds ago
Dr also watched video from BJs, #PhilipChism engaged in a successful shoplift

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
He knew stealing a knife from a BJs would be wrong, Dr says

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
If he was psychotic, odds of #PhilipChism entering BJs and exiting with knife are pretty small, Kinscherff said

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 43s44 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: In Topsfield, #PhilipChism was evasive to cops, staring ahead, eventually he gave his name

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 56s56 seconds ago
Dr. Kinscherff: In sexual homicides, perpetrators can take a trophy. Colleen Ritzers underwear found in #PhilipChism bag

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 49s49 seconds ago
Kinscherff says #PhilipChism taking Ritzer underwear was significant. A trophy, to keep memory of assault with them in sexual homicides

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 57s58 seconds ago
Kinscherff said if #PhilipChism were "acutely psychotic," the chances he would not have called attention to himself were "pretty small."

 

[jacct]

Was this witness originally called, or was he called because of the defense's last minute additions?


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He was on the witness list and planned as a rebuttal witness to whatever insanity defense that was put on.

 

[jacct]

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago Dr. Kinscherff: Never saw evidence of mental health disease process in 13 hour interview with #PhilipChism

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. Kinscherff; Probability extremely low if he was hearing voices. If he was, they weren't impacting him

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Testing done of #PhilipChism (that doc says he faked) would have indicated "pretty turbulent picture of behavior," K says.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
But in Kinscherff's interactions with him, #PhilipChism was fine. Not angry, distracted, impulsive.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
ADA asks Kinscherff how he ruled in or out different diagnoses

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: I considered brief reactive psychosis. I ruled that out

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
Dr ruled out brief recreative psychosis, which causes extreme confusion. He was wrong age too

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff Considered schizoid personality disorder. Person is indifferent to human relations

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
#PhilipChism did not meet criteria for that either, he says

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 54s54 seconds ago
Kinscherff testifying about other disorders he considered for #PhilipChism

 

[jacct]

Laura Crimaldi ‏@lauracrimaldi 1m1 minute ago Kinscherff also considered "schizotypal personality disorder," but says #PhilipChism did not meet the criteria

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Jurors seem to be paying close attention to Dr. Kinscherff analysis. Some are taking notes

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
#PhilipChism does not have social anxiety, Dr says

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
On psychotic disorders, he did not meet threshold criteria Kinscherff says

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Kinscherff ruled out a bunch of different disorders/mental illnesses on #PhilipChism.

The doctor is detailing difference disorders and why Chism did not meet the criteria for each.

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 39s40 seconds ago Gave #PhilipChism a test: dissociative experiences scale for adolescents. He scored roughly double that of confirmed dissociative sufferers

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
Kinscherff didn't see shifts in affect, behavior, interests etc that would indicate problems. #PhilipChism did have some issues with memory

Laura Crimaldi ‏@lauracrimaldi 2m2 minutes ago
Kinscherff says he ruled out dissociative disorder for #PhilipChism

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
No symptoms. Nothing in history of chronic maltreatment, which could contribute to dissociative disorder.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. Kinscherff evaluated #PhilipChism when he was 16. Chism was 14 at time of murder

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
Dr took into account his development up until 14, and then after that when #PhilipChism was in facility based care

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: at time of offense, #PhilipChism not suffering from mental disease or defect

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
May have had psychological distress but wasn't enough to impair his criminal conduct

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 48s48 seconds ago
Denise Regan will now cross Dr. Kinscherff.

 

[jacct]

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA Defense begins cross of Kinscherff. Starts by asking about general differences between adolescent and adult brains.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Kinscherff: At onset of puberty, brain starts dramatic restructuring

Quite detailed explanation of this subject.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Regan asks about adolescents ability to make "considered judgments" and reflecting on options and consequences

Rupa Shenoy ‏@RupaShenoy 2m2 minutes ago
Juveniles are on ave more impulsive, more likely to take risks, Kinscherff confirms.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Regan asks about adolescents ability to make "considered judgments" and reflecting on options and consequences.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Regain again asks about brain scans. #PhilipChism scans were not allowed as evidence.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
Prosecutor asks to be seen at sidebar

Lordy, lordy. They won't let this go. Wanna bet Regan puts something about brain scans in her closing?

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
Is this a last-ditch effort to get #PhilipChism brain scans into evidence? We will see.

 

[jacct]

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 2m2 minutes ago Several of the jurors look tired, haunted. The distant stare says so much

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
#PhilipChism has been slightly more fidgety today. Moving around in seat. Fixing glasses. Scratching face.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
Dr Kinscherff tells Regan his area of expertise is not in brain scans. He did not having scans done on #PhilipChism

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Regan moves to the DSM V diagnostic manual

Christina Hager ‏@HagerWBZ 2m2 minutes ago
#PhilipChism's mother has head in hands. Tough day in court.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
Regan asking about brain volume reductions indicating schizophrenia. Might be related to #PhilipChism brain scans but those have been barred

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Defense suggests that dr. Should have ordered a brain scan.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
He's not a physician, he's a psychologist, he can't order brain scan

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Regan: If you ordered brain scans and they showed sig reduction of volume, would you consider them? K: Yes, under consultation

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Regan: teenagers are difficult to diagnose, they are a moving target? Dr. Kinscherff correct.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 2m2 minutes ago Salem, MA
Kinscherff off the stand, commonwealth rests with no more rebuttal witnesses.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 2m2 minutes ago
Wow! Regan's cross of the state's expert lasts mere minutes. That's it, folks. MacDougall rests her rebuttal case

Attorneys at sidebar now.

The scan questions must have been to get it on the record for appeal. Dr. said he would have considered them in his opinion.

 

[jacct]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago The attorneys still at sidebar. We know that the judge has to leave shortly.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
He is teaching a course on evidence to other judges this afternoon.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Judge tells jury not to come in to court tomorrow. Don't go to work. Stay away from anyone who might want to talk about case

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Lowy is telling jury to come back Friday 9AM for Closing Statements. Jury may get case by lunch Friday

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
The lawyers will be here tomorrow to discuss the jury instructions

Court over for the day. Charge conference tomorrow at 9:00am EST.

 

[MsJosie]

This may have been answered earlier....if found guilty, since he is tried as an adult, but age wise a minor, what type of jail would he go to, with the system knowing he already has attacked a female again.

Thanks

 

[jacct]

Trial Day 13 - Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KhycfFcNL4

 

[Elainera]

I suppose a possible advantage to slowing things down would be jurors losing interest, but that's a gamble, as you don't know if they've also just come to the conclusion that he's guilty.

The defense isn't trying to slow things down - it's a side effect of what they are pursuing. They are trying to blindside the prosecution. They want to get experts and evidence in which would likely otherwise not be permitted. They want to prevent the prosecution from presenting other evidence which would harm their case. They also want to hamstring the prosecution by not giving them adequate time to prepare cross-examination by not disclosing all experts and evidence at the proper time.

Thank you!

So once more I'm surprised the judge is not simply stopping this. Maybe he is trying to avoid giving them any reasons for later appeals.