VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #15

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VERDICT WATCH - MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #14

I'm saying it's odd, and stands out from the other step lengths for JO, and is an altogether different pace for a short burst over 80' than what was noted three minutes earlier over 170'. And that it's a sub 10 minute mile pace for a 6'2" male, and around a 9 minute pace for a 5'6" woman. So it's pretty quick for the average middle aged person. Someone, whoever had the phone, was at least jogging if not sprinting over that distance. For perspective: on a treadmill, setting it at 6.1 mph is a sub 10 minute mile pace and 6.6 is about a 9 minute mile pace. It's not walking that's for sure. I suspect he had the phone at that time, and was running for a short distance but why and from who/what is the question. IMO

good point. glad it was not brought up in trial...

 

[bcv513]

If the hung jury stands, this would be re-tried in front of a new Jury. I can't really say how that would turn out now that the zingers are all known to the prosecution and defense.

Not to mention I can't imagine finding another jury who hasn't heard all of the information that's been kept from this jury

 

[LaineyJ]

Wonder if they’ll come back at 3:30 with another note that they still can’t agree.

I do believe they have tried their best before resorting to writing that note. But I do agree they’ve had a short time for 74 witnesses and 600+ (?) exhibits..

 

[twindetectives]

If the jury does not reach a verdict today, will they deliberate on Saturday?

 

[arielilane]

@BienickWCVB

Sounds as if the prosecution and defense disagree about whether they should continue deliberations.

The a/c is making it difficult to hear everything that's being said.

Jurors enter, all looking down.

"We all know how hard you've been working," the judge tells the jury. But she send them back to continue deliberations.

12:16 PM · Jun 28, 2024

 

[kittythehare]

i agree with judge. don't understand defense. bet they just want out now before the lunch.

what part of defense don't you understand?

 

[turaj]

i think this will be over at about 3pm today with another note hung. that note did not leave much more to think any will compromise.

 

[Misy]

Wow….

Ditto. I genuinely can’t believe it.

 

[nightowl1975]

Wow judge is going to make them go back in and keep deliberating

This is reasonable and expected IMO. They’ve only deliberated two full days and two very short days thus far. And their full days are on the shorter side. The trial was extremely long with many witnesses. Less than 3 full days of deliberations isn’t reasonable to just say, well, we’re done here I guess.

 

[arielilane]

@KristinaRex

Judge Cannone says "This note arrived within less than three hours of deliberations today." The length of the trial, 74 witnesses, 657 exhibits...I'm not prepared to end deliberations. Judge is bringing jury back in now.

Judge tells jury: "We all know how hard you've been working...lunch coming soon..." tells jurors to continue their deliberations. She will not call for a mistrial right now.

 

[fluffypaste]

Geez

Is anyone surprised ?

I am quite surprised. I naively believed that would this would be a fast acquittal. I hope they at least tell us whether the hung jury is skewed towards conviction or skewed towards acquittal.

 

[MassGuy]

Because most polls are running at about 85-15% NG. Here I'd say it's about 90-10% NG.

Yeah, it's overwhelmingly in that range. I'd say one, maybe two holdouts. I don't think going back is going to change anything, but it has happened before. I'm sure Turtleboy will get the scoop as to what happened during deliberations, once this is all over.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I hope this doesn’t put undue pressure on the jury to settle on a verdict for the sake of pleasing the court.

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson

The judge will bring the jury in and read them an instruction that in some states is referred to as an Allen or Dynamite charge. MA has a different version. The instruction encourages the jury to go back and continue deliberating.


12:14 PM · Jun 28, 2024

 

[turaj]

what part of defense don't you understand?

that they would not want to try for a NG..guess they figure the G will not change. Clearly I don't think they are 10-2 guilty but who knows.

 

[nightowl1975]

i think this will be over at about 3pm today with another note hung. that note did not leave much more to think any will compromise.

At that point, the judge has the option (that I think she’ll absolutely choose) to give more explicit instructions (can’t remember what it’s called exactly, there’s a name for it). Basically telling them if there’s a hold out, consider changing your mind sort of thing.

 

[geevee]

Absolutely zero chance they’ll ultimately find her guilty.

The question would be will the CW be foolish enough to retry her? I cannot imagine them doing so.

I think after talking to the jurors and finding out the split they'd decide whether or not to retry.

At times like this in other cases I've followed, I've seen the judge ask the foreperson if they were able to decide on any of the charges (say they acquitted on the top charge but were stuck on a lesser included) for the judge to render not guilty on that charge and send them back to keep working on the lessers. I guess that doesn't happen in Mass. Or at least with this judge, not sure if it's a state thing or just a decision by individual judges.

 

[LaineyJ]

So does that mean they can’t agree on all of the counts or could it be that only one or two of the charges they don’t agree on?
Or do we just not know?

 

[Spectrix]

If the hung jury stands, this would be re-tried in front of a new Jury. I can't really say how that would turn out now that the zingers are all known to the prosecution and defense.

If a retrial is suggested, they ought to turn it over to the websleuths jury. We've already seen the entire trial and we can be ready for deliberations immediately.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Not to mention I can't imagine finding another jury who hasn't heard all of the information that's been kept from this jury

Exactly- we have seen a huge amount of commentary and re-analysis of testimony.