MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #1

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Inthedetails said:
I don't think anyone followed her specifically.

If the two cases are linked, I think it might be that the coverage of the Howard Beach case (Karina) excited and inspired Vanessa's perp. Gross to think about. When he saw Vanessa, he was ripe to strike.

HOWEVER, that leaves out the burning of Vanessa. That seems like someone ready in advance, with a plan.
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The possibility of connected cases made me go look for other cases of women murdered jogging recently. The only one I've found so far is Ally Brueger in Michigan. She was 31 and was shot from behind. I don't think she was sexually assaulted.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ra-Brueger-31-shot-while-jogging-30-July-2016
 
carbuff said:
The possibility of connected cases made me go look for other cases of women murdered jogging recently. The only one I've found so far is Ally Brueger in Michigan. She was 31 and was shot from behind. I don't think she was sexually assaulted.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ra-Brueger-31-shot-while-jogging-30-July-2016
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The police in NYC arrested a man who was groping joggers in Flushing meadows park in Queens not too long ago.Kinda looks like the guy in the police sketch of the suspect in the Westborough Northborough jogger attacks
 
Lawdini01234 said:
Wow, good catch! And they were earned in NYC, so odd, how can that be?

Adding that I use mapmyrun and you would have to be logged into your account in order for it to track
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Where is her phone ?
 
carbuff said:
The possibility of connected cases made me go look for other cases of women murdered jogging recently. The only one I've found so far is Ally Brueger in Michigan. She was 31 and was shot from behind. I don't think she was sexually assaulted.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ra-Brueger-31-shot-while-jogging-30-July-2016
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http://komonews.com/news/local/woman-attacked-on-trail-near-marymoor-park-suspect-at-large


This happened last Friday outside Seattle. The woman survived because a bystander heard the attack and chased away the perp, but it sure sounds like she would have been murdered if he hadn't. Seems on the surface like a very similar attack.

Due to distance it seems almost impossible that this is related, it's rather more indicative of the fact that there are, unfortunately, plenty of random dirtbags out there perpetrating this kind of assault.

Suspect was thought to be "transient". As far as I can tell, despite being caught in the act, he is still at large.
 
I'm curious if they brought in a profiler. Typically in these sorts of cases the FBI will volunteer one, even if the State Police are leading the investigation.
 
A little more info on the "wrong-way" death on the Mass Turnpike (I-90) on Monday Night.

* Crash was around ~11:55PM Monday, 8/9
http://wwlp.com/2016/08/09/wrong-way-driver-killed-after-crashing-twice-on-mass-pike/

* Driver pulled onto I-495 in Westborough, headed west, pulled into the breakdown lane and reversed direction into head-on traffic. (I-90 is a divided highway.) He was driving a Ford Focus.
http://www.wcvb.com/news/1-dies-3-injured-in-wrongway-crash-on-mass-pike/41114558

* Driver was a 28 year old male from Rutland, graduated Wachusett Regional High School in 2006
http://www.milesfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1838581

* Marcotte was from Princeton, which also attends Wachusett Regional High School, but she didn't graduate with the driver--she was a year behind him and graduated from a private school in Worcester: Bancroft
https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessamarcotte

* Driver's family (and the driver, presumably) live just across the town line from the crime scene, on East County Road in Rutland, MA. East County Road intersects with the road Marcotte's mother lives on, where her body was found.
http://www.worcesterdeeds.com

At first I thought, based on their age and towns, that they almost certainly knew each other from the regional high school. They might even have been on the same school bus route. But as it turns out, Marcotte was a year behind the driver and Marcotte graduated from a private school.
 
Inthedetails said:
I'm not seeing anything in that article about a boyfriend. Can you post the quote you're looking at? Thanks.
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This article http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...s/news-story/dc1f1cc604e9e158d30bdd59aec32ae6 says that "Marcotte’s boyfriend is currently in Australia." However, http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/grieving-f...oyee-vanessa-marcotte-demands-justice-1575204 reports that John Marcotte says that Vanessa was "not romantically involved with anyone." The former articles source appears to come from twitter, so perhaps unreliable? I think the latter article is probably more accurate as it is supposedly quoting Vanessa's father.
 
wachusett said:
A little more info on the "wrong-way" death on the Mass Turnpike (I-90) on Monday Night.

* Crash was around ~11:55PM Monday, 8/9
http://wwlp.com/2016/08/09/wrong-way-driver-killed-after-crashing-twice-on-mass-pike/

* Driver pulled onto I-495 in Westborough, headed west, pulled into the breakdown lane and reversed direction into head-on traffic. (I-90 is a divided highway.) He was driving a Ford Focus.
http://www.wcvb.com/news/1-dies-3-injured-in-wrongway-crash-on-mass-pike/41114558

* Driver was a 28 year old male from Rutland, graduated Wachusett Regional High School in 2006
http://www.milesfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1838581

* Marcotte was from Princeton, which also attends Wachusett Regional High School, but she didn't graduate with the driver--she was a year behind him and graduated from a private school in Worcester: Bancroft
https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessamarcotte

* Driver's family (and the driver, presumably) live just across the town line from the crime scene, on East County Road in Rutland, MA. East County Road intersects with the road Marcotte's mother lives on, where her body was found.
http://www.worcesterdeeds.com

At first I thought, based on their age and towns, that they almost certainly knew each other from the regional high school. They might even have been on the same school bus route. But as it turns out, Marcotte was a year behind the driver and Marcotte graduated from a private school.
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Guessing from your screen name as Wachusett that you're likely local. So as you probably know kids around the same grade often intermingle with local kids that go to the private school. As a Wachusett student I still knew a good chunk of the kids at In my grade at the area private schools, so just because she went to Bancroft and he went to Wachusetts doesn't mean they didn't know each other. They could have even been at the same Worcester bar the night before, if she met up with friends after dinner with her dad.

If I were the police I would def look into any connection between the driver TA and Vanessa.
 
ThinkHard said:
Guessing from your screen name as Wachusett that you're likely local. So as you probably know kids around the same grade often intermingle with local kids that go to the private school. As a Wachusett student I still knew a good chunk of the kids at In my grade at the area private schools, so just because she went to Bancroft and he went to Wachusetts doesn't mean they didn't know each other. They could have even been at the same Worcester bar the night before, if she met up with friends after dinner with her dad.

If I were the police I would def look into any connection between the driver TA and Vanessa.
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These are good points but it's important to remember that she didn't grow up in Princeton, but Leominster instead. She wouldn't have been as likely to know a lot of kids from the Wachusett district, but Leominster instead. Of course it's entirely possible that her closest friends from Bancroft could have been from Rutland and that's how she could have known TA.
 
Is anyone familiar with scent dogs? I know they found Vanessa's body with dogs, and I know there is a difference btw cadaver dogs and dogs that search for missing persons. I'm guessing they weren't cadaver dogs as she hadn't been missing all that long.

My understanding is that they'd give the dog a piece of clothing to smell and help track that person.

The reason I'm asking is because VM's dad was asked to stop looking for his daughter because it was throwing off the scent dogs.

So not knowing much about scent dogs this confuses me a bit. Apparently she went to dinner with her dad the night before....so could the clothes they gave the dogs to smell been from when she saw her dad? Or do people in the same family just have similar scents to begin with?

I hate to think a father would have anything to do with this, but just trying you understand why a dads smell would throw off scent dogs? Could it because he was the last one to see hear alive?

Apparently the aunt was searching....why didn't her scent from the same house throw off the scent dogs? Or if the mom was searching, hers?

Also this is just a weird thing, that no one else might think is weird but I thought it was really weird that the first thing he comes out in the media and says is that he just wants justice.....to me it seems you would be too grief stricken and in shock that early in learning of your daughters murder to go straight to justice. Just seemed weird to me.
 
ThinkHard said:
Is anyone familiar with scent dogs? I know they found Vanessa's body with dogs, and I know there is a difference btw cadaver dogs and dogs that search for missing persons. I'm guessing they weren't cadaver dogs as she hadn't been missing all that long.

My understanding is that they'd give the dog a piece of clothing to smell and help track that person.

The reason I'm asking is because VM's dad was asked to stop looking for his daughter because it was throwing off the scent dogs.

So not knowing much about scent dogs this confuses me a bit. Apparently she went to dinner with her dad the night before....so could the clothes they gave the dogs to smell been from when she saw her dad? Or do people in the same family just have similar scents to begin with?

I hate to think a father would have anything to do with this, but just trying you understand why a dads smell would throw off scent dogs? Could it because he was the last one to see hear alive?

Apparently the aunt was searching....why didn't her scent from the same house throw off the scent dogs? Or if the mom was searching, hers?

Also this is just a weird thing, that no one else might think is weird but I thought it was really weird that the first thing he comes out in the media and says is that he just wants justice.....to me it seems you would be too grief stricken and in shock that early in learning of your daughters murder to go straight to justice. Just seemed weird to me.
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I think scent dogs are trained to track any human scent. They probably wanted the dog in the unseached areas first, and I am only guessing, but assume the father was going in areas he shouldn't have been going yet, and leaving his own scent everywhere.

In terms of wanting justice right away, I personally don't find it unusual. I would be incredibly angry that someone had done that to my child and I would be very concerned they could get away with it.
 
Tempura said:
These are good points but it's important to remember that she didn't grow up in Princeton, but Leominster instead. She wouldn't have been as likely to know a lot of kids from the Wachusett district, but Leominster instead. Of course it's entirely possible that her closest friends from Bancroft could have been from Rutland and that's how she could have known TA.
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Exactly. I agree it would be more likely had she grown up in Princeton but it still isn't impossible. There aren't a lot of Bancroft kids from Leominster, most are from Holden, Shrewsbury, Worcester, Paxton, Princeton, Sterling etc. Also it appears her aunt and uncle lived in Princteon for the last few decades so it's also possible she had cousins in the Wachusett school district.

I'm just thinking for two relatively crazy things to happen to two people about the same age from tiny towns where nothing ever happens, it just seems like there's a chance they could be connected.
After all not even the Rutland mans family can make sense of why he turned around on the pike. But id think someone who committed murder 36hours before might just have a good reason for doing something that crazy.
 
Tempura said:
I think scent dogs are trained to track any human scent. They probably wanted the dog in the unseached areas first, and I am only guessing, but assume the father was going in areas he shouldn't have been going yet, and leaving his own scent everywhere.

In terms of wanting justice right away, I personally don't find it unusual. I would be incredibly angry that someone had done that to my child and I would be very concerned they could get away with it.
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Scent dogs are NOT trained to find any human scent, that would just be dumb. How would they find anyone if dogs were just trained to track any live human scent. Do you have any idea how many people run that road?

Scent dogs are trained to be introduced to one specific persons scent at a time and track that persons specific scent. Not just people in general.

Also the dad was part of the search party not just like running around on his own. He was only notified around the same time police were and would have to drive from Leominster to get there to begin looking. He was searching with everyone else buttons to stop because his smell was throwing off the dogs.

Finally I know everyone responsds differently in tragedy but from re very first article I read on his interview it just seemed odd to me in a way I can't entirely put my finger on.
 
Also wonder if something in tox screens or autopsy led them to look for more clues at the scene? Forensic experts perhaps?

Or I wonder if they could be testing foliage?.....say for example if they were comparing it to foliage or mud found on a vehicle?
 
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