Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Spider92]

From Trilogy..."The lack of follow up in the media from both the family and law enforcement feels oddly quiet. You would think that publicity, keeping his face in the public's view, would be first and foremost to resolving this mystery, but it doesn't seem to be. This young man's picture should be in a prominent, fixed spot on every Boston/MA media and law enforcement website until he's located, yes? Where is it?"

Good point. It's like the media has decided that this is no longer a mystery and it's just a matter of time before he is found in the water. Of couse the media, like many people, has a short attention span.

 

[Eileen730]

Not really sure I'd go there. I'd want to get warm, not arrested. Lol.

It migjt have saved him if he got arrested.

 

[Safeguard]

It migjt have saved him if he got arrested.

Yes. It might have. You are so right! He might even have been alive today, if he had done that! Even if it set off a car alarm, would have brought help!
Strange, isn't it? How for some of us, our fear of, " getting into trouble", outweighs even our survival instinct! Good for you, for thinking of it! I'm gonna tell my young daughter, if your ever in trouble, break into a car! Or do whatever you have to, to survive! I have never
let her know, talked with her about it being alright to break the law to save your life!
Thank you for you post!

 

[Safeguard]

Therapist in the house. It strikes me as sad, that no family

member(Yes I am making the assuption that dad reference to " issues" was related to substance abuse, depression, possibly a previous duicide attempt) has openly declared such.

Which tranlates to family system not ackowledging that it is out of ones control, and that the family system focused on it as behaviors. You got a Dui quit drinking, you would not have attacked him and got arrested if you were not drinking. Making this uo,.

Dad strikes me as a simple man without a lot of education,and for Zach, pretty limited support , authentically IF it was substance abuse Issues, not all that helpful in authentic recovery

For me , the fact that the cousins gave up the serach for him. after 600 seconds, indicates that the family system is like oh, he has done this kinda c r&p before, he is drunk but he will be fine.

A ten minute "search" in this case really translates to not all that much concern, or belivng that really at the end of the day Oh, Zach has done this BS before, its late , cold I am tired lets just go home

The time, 10 am of contacting authorties , indicates one of two things . They too, were blitzed,Or they did not get concerned for what would be a long time for a family member that had NEVER displayed this behavior previously

just ny take

Phyc Nurse's daughter in the house, (for real).
K... where are you getting the posible suicide attempt? How does three sentences from dad translate into, " simple and uneducated"?

How does family not broadcasting past psychological problems, equel secrecy, and not respect for privacy of this young man?

What are you basing your assumption on, that Zach had "pretty limited support" ?

And even if it were true, that he was raised inappropriately, according to the handbook of perfect parenting, how does criticizing his family system, and their love for him, help at all?

 

[Spider92]

There was a sad ending today for a case that parallels this one. James Dyer, 23, who disappeared in Portland, Maine on Jan 1 was found today in the water off Portland. He had been out at a bar with friends and left with them at 3am to walk towards their car. When they turned around, he had disappeared. Now, 6 weeks later, he was found in the water. With Dyer, there were no mysterious texts, refusals of re-entry to a bar or speculation of drugs or suicide. It was just the simple formula of cold + icy conditions +alcohol + water = trouble even when you and your friends leave the bar together.

 

[Safeguard]

There was a sad ending today for a case that parallels this one. James Dyer, 23, who disappeared in Portland, Maine on Jan 1 was found today in the water off Portland. He had been out at a bar with friends and left with them at 3am to walk towards their car. When they turned around, he had disappeared. Now, 6 weeks later, he was found in the water. With Dyer, there were no mysterious texts, refusals of re-entry to a bar or speculation of drugs or suicide. It was just the simple formula of cold + icy conditions +alcohol + water = trouble even when you and your friends leave the bar together.

I haven't read the account of James, (same name as my youngest son btw). So they are just thinking he jumped in a lake on his way to the car? I'll definitely look into this but why oh why, are so many young men drowning this time of year.

If I was gonna kill young men, I guess I would push drunk ones into frigid water, and watch everyone say, " oopps" he must have lost his bearings and fallen into the water.
Why the hell is that just accepted? Seems to me, to be too many of them...

 

[bluesneakers]

There was a sad ending today for a case that parallels this one. James Dyer, 23, who disappeared in Portland, Maine on Jan 1 was found today in the water off Portland. He had been out at a bar with friends and left with them at 3am to walk towards their car. When they turned around, he had disappeared. Now, 6 weeks later, he was found in the water. With Dyer, there were no mysterious texts, refusals of re-entry to a bar or speculation of drugs or suicide. It was just the simple formula of cold + icy conditions +alcohol + water = trouble even when you and your friends leave the bar together.

Oh no. I'd been following his story until it became clear this is how it would end.

RIP James.

 

[katsrfun]

Hello - I don't know how to link, or I would. However, I just read on Killing Killers blog that someone who lives close by went to take a look at where the CCTV shots of Zach were taken, and states that the pillar right in front of where Zach is standing had a smiley face on it. If true, very strange, right? Thanks, Katt

 

[bdo13]

this wasn't an accidental fall into the water. I can't argue that enough. guys don't have some weird magnitational pull to water when they have to piss. here's a couple points. he wasn't from the area. the closest water is a half mile away from the bar. not being from the area nor familiar with the windy zig zaggy streets of Boston he'd be hard pressed to find water from that bar quickly with out making a point to do so. who in there right mind or drunk mind for that matter would want to go any where near the water on a night where the temp is that cold?!! it's gonna be colder near the water. where the police were searching for him in the water is a HIKE from that bar. again unless he was purposely heading towards that area there is no way he would stumble upon it and accident fall in. if he had to piss he wouldn't found an alley or something of the like...not walk half a mile in search of water in order to relieve himself. also if I got booted out of a bar and told my friends that, I'd wait out front knowing they would be out momentarily...I wouldn't go wander the streets of a place I did not no...especially in cold weather like that.

 

[bdo13]

also it was stated earlier but people can't seem to grasp it, that's not water in the picture Carr posted. it's a tarp or something. trust me. I work in Boston and the job I'm on at the moment I walk right by that place everyday. the water is close, relatively speaking, but not that close.

 

[Momoffourboys]

this wasn't an accidental fall into the water. I can't argue that enough. guys don't have some weird magnitational pull to water when they have to piss. here's a couple points. he wasn't from the area. the closest water is a half mile away from the bar. not being from the area nor familiar with the windy zig zaggy streets of Boston he'd be hard pressed to find water from that bar quickly with out making a point to do so. who in there right mind or drunk mind for that matter would want to go any where near the water on a night where the temp is that cold?!! it's gonna be colder near the water. where the police were searching for him in the water is a HIKE from that bar. again unless he was purposely heading towards that area there is no way he would stumble upon it and accident fall in. if he had to piss he wouldn't found an alley or something of the like...not walk half a mile in search of water in order to relieve himself. also if I got booted out of a bar and told my friends that, I'd wait out front knowing they would be out momentarily...I wouldn't go wander the streets of a place I did not no...especially in cold weather like that.

I don't disagree with you. It just seems to be a pattern. If you follow the threads of missing twenty something guys disappearing.

So, what do you think happened?

 

[CARIIS]

Hi Safe

The notion that there might have been a suicdal hx was a result of the lack of injformation , this far out, about what issues were, in terms of media. Of course people attempt to keep family bussiness that - my thing was the media not exploring it and subsequently it seems that there is widespread effective guarding.

Family members would say he had cancer, if so

Typically media hounds everyone and all kinds of things are learned in the first 24 hours - which does mean to me that there has been a purposeful non reveal.

The fathers verbal presentation seemed to indicate average IQ. The sense there had been long history of conflict came early. It struck (I wll try to find it) me as wildlly odd, in the begiining when dad something akin to, it will be allright just come home we wont ask you any questions. (were your drunk/ using whatever)

Anyone, as a parent, would you not ask tons of questions if your child had vansihed for a week- and the need to announce that to the world if Zach were listening?

I did not imply nor think of the sitution as "inappropriate" parenting it is much more about the possibilty a pained and troubled family system system

The total lack of any mention of a bio mom this far along to me resulted in my wondering , again, if it had not been a turbulent beginning. Bio has never been mentioned by three coousins, father, an aunt. No mention of a mom on any of his postings. That is atypical - especially in a situion like this.

The intense relationship with grandma furthered my assumption.

Do we even know if he was the only child? Again atypical.

Early on their were referneces to him struggling in school.He was 22, on some of his postings he described being unemployed.

Not a "bad" thing but often indicative of some problems at 22 years of age. The mentioning that "he had a job now" felt to me as if that had been an enduring issue, as opposed to just he worked at xxxxx.

His postings were indicative of what we call euphoric recall- which basically is fond memories of associationing being "high" or numbed as being very postiive while blocking out the relaties of the negatives associated with addiction. His posts were very focused on drinking. IMO

The cousins need to "report" to the media that he "only" had 3 drinks, sounded to me as if a family member was aware of past additve behaviors. At 22 I would have had no idea of how many drinks friends had while out. It implies "watching" his drinking, again a notion of it had been a problem for the family system in the past.

Again not blaming anyone, but the family looking for 10 short minutes, fully aware he did not know Boston, again, sounded as if in the past family members would appear to have experienced this before.
Again it sounds judgemental on my part, not to be, but 600 seconds just felt short if behavior like this had not happened before.

Not contacting law enforcement for hours seemed to indicate a familiarity with vanishing. Just felt like there had been history of some problem behavior in the past while drinking.

Hey when younger I have experenced being bounced! HOwever, being bounced does indicate that my judgement, as that time, related to drinking was not good.

Not needing clothing when it is -9 out would also seem to indicate some judgement impariment. Most of us, I think would not be able to "stand", for lack of a better of a word, not being dressed well when it is 41 degrees below freezing outside. The notion that he had stepped outside without his jacket throughout the evening would also appear to indicate some numbing of some sort.

There has been much discussion "if" he was blasted, drunk out of his mind, could he see clearly , walk etc etc. A addict builds tolerances . The notion that there is much speculation about his alcohol "intake" is worth noting.

The relentless thinking about self medicating altering feeling states . Typically the need to mask feelings indicates they are negative ones.

The alright thing was a confusing --why would a parent announce , on air , that he wont be in trouble?

I certainly did not mean to offend you, just trying to put peices together - chidhood does impact the rest of our existance!

As you know, therapy is most often about what is not being addressed or verbilized as oppossed to what the client is describing - that is why they come !Solid clinicians depend on intuition and or hunches -- I was sharing stuff that instantly hit me as the story emerged.


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[bdo13]

I never said he's not in the water...I just said it was not accidental.

 

[CARIIS]

I never said he's not in the water...I just said it was not accidental.

This is just so confusing and sad isnt it? Have most of you changed your mind back and forth? I keep going accidental foul play serial killer and back and forth when posters bring up good points

Most of the time the stuff we all share is like facts or getting to them- this one is just baffling - and then to find out about so many similairs makes it more scary

I am confident most here watch news (!) Have any of you like had a sense that there have been so many of these before?

Between us all we have found a mind numbing amount of them no?

Has anyone heard one story today - if I were family member that would both scare me and anger me. What only worth three days coverage, Even if nothing new --just to let those impacted know something is going on
I get they fade after a while when nothing breaks but this one sure seems like a quick fade IMO

 

[Spiritecho]

God's Mercy for Zach and his family..

After reading, well for the most part, the last two hours...I find myself severely crossed eyed with the grammar and shorthand text stuff that I can't make sense of.
I feel he will be found within that area. Are there any shelters in the area?
My thought of the 3 or 4 potential people in the same shot with Zach, is it could be a 'common' smoking area for the bars. And it almost seems like he has his head turned talking to someone one, or listening.
Has anyone created a time line with what has been reported so far?

1:20 exits bar (by bar video)
1:30 steps out for a smoke (by cousin)
1:41 snap chats cousin he can't get back in (by cousin)
1:44 on video across the street from the bar
1:50 cousins step out of the bar and no sign of him (by cousin)
2:00 his phone goes straight to voice mail

etc...Please correct if the times or events are incorrect.

 

[CARIIS]

this wasn't an accidental fall into the water. I can't argue that enough. guys don't have some weird magnitational pull to water when they have to piss. here's a couple points. he wasn't from the area. the closest water is a half mile away from the bar. not being from the area nor familiar with the windy zig zaggy streets of Boston he'd be hard pressed to find water from that bar quickly with out making a point to do so. who in there right mind or drunk mind for that matter would want to go any where near the water on a night where the temp is that cold?!! it's gonna be colder near the water. where the police were searching for him in the water is a HIKE from that bar. again unless he was purposely heading towards that area there is no way he would stumble upon it and accident fall in. if he had to piss he wouldn't found an alley or something of the like...not walk half a mile in search of water in order to relieve himself. also if I got booted out of a bar and told my friends that, I'd wait out front knowing they would be out momentarily...I wouldn't go wander the streets of a place I did not no...especially in cold weather like that.

purposely heading towards that area
I think that is why I cant put suicide out of my mind . When I learned about grandma that rang bells too

To then find out (posted) that the plan was to go to grandmas in several hours to clear it out sounds like a rough exp. they were also suppossed to have a cake for him Sat, boy would that be an emotionial ride singing happy birthday and then go empty out a persons home that you were wildly fond of sounds like a depressing day to me.

I have never experienced that . (clearing a house) Both my parents are alive. Father is 96, and mother is 87 (she has been 39 for three decades now ha

I agree with your urination angle too. No need to find water . And the pics did not see many people cause of temp, when it is -9 out I would think a lot of folks stayed in --would not ,imo be difficult to find private spot without going far.

Kinda wonder if that angle came about becuase apparently in other cases that seemed to be the case - but I dont think in a lot of them the water was far . That notion becomes crazier here because of the temp and the lack of clothing.

That is another thing that concerns me (not in a mean way) -- the search for him afterward for only 10 minutes- casue of the weather. I would be pretty scared for someone if I knew they did have protectrive clothing. I also would be screaming there name out I mean screaming!

I also would call police right away solely cause of the temp --cops drivinig around looking would certainly have increased odds IMO

Do we know that it was a tarp not the water - casue I found the pic with the water so close compelling as to a slip.

 

[bluesneakers]

Phyc Nurse's daughter in the house, (for real).
K... where are you getting the posible suicide attempt? How does three sentences from dad translate into, " simple and uneducated"?

How does family not broadcasting past psychological problems, equel secrecy, and not respect for privacy of this young man?

What are you basing your assumption on, that Zach had "pretty limited support" ?

And even if it were true, that he was raised inappropriately, according to the handbook of perfect parenting, how does criticizing his family system, and their love for him, help at all?

I think they are being secretive not coming out and discussing his alcohol problem. There are reasons to cover it up and maybe they are ashamed. I'm not judging them or implying this is their fault, but not acknowledging it is some kind of flag to me - like maybe they are in denial? I don't know, but also the way he talked about "You won't be in trouble" whatever the exact quote was, says

 

[bluesneakers]

Phyc Nurse's daughter in the house, (for real).
K... where are you getting the posible suicide attempt? How does three sentences from dad translate into, " simple and uneducated"?

How does family not broadcasting past psychological problems, equel secrecy, and not respect for privacy of this young man?

What are you basing your assumption on, that Zach had "pretty limited support" ?

And even if it were true, that he was raised inappropriately, according to the handbook of perfect parenting, how does criticizing his family system, and their love for him, help at all?

Speculation and observations, our general discussions - aren't meant to help. Not directly. We can, and DO, do other things with help specifically in mind though. However voicing opinions and speculation are other things we do here, and as long as it's within TOS it shouldn't be a problem.

Frankly I wonder if his father is in denial about his son's situation, especially wrt his alcohol problem. Maybe now is the time to be quiet about that? Maybe it's just the stereotypical New England thing? I don't know, but we've seen when vulnerable people go missing the family and LE specifically mention that's the case.

ETA: ARGH. My screen went blank (I blamed the cat jumping on the keyboard) and I didn't think my first reply posted. Sorry to repeat myself and respond twice to the same post.

 

[bluesneakers]

This is just so confusing and sad isnt it? Have most of you changed your mind back and forth? I keep going accidental foul play serial killer and back and forth when posters bring up good points

Most of the time the stuff we all share is like facts or getting to them- this one is just baffling - and then to find out about so many similairs makes it more scary

I am confident most here watch news (!) Have any of you like had a sense that there have been so many of these before?

Between us all we have found a mind numbing amount of them no?

Has anyone heard one story today - if I were family member that would both scare me and anger me. What only worth three days coverage, Even if nothing new --just to let those impacted know something is going on
I get they fade after a while when nothing breaks but this one sure seems like a quick fade IMO

I've gone back and forth between accidental and intentional, but not to serial killer. Perhaps someone else was involved and it was accidental. Like what if someone shoved him, or kicked him, or even hit him with a car? Not intending to hurt or kill him but hurting him nonetheless.

Reading stories about the Smiley Face Killer I just haven't read anything compelling enough to make me think it's legit. It wouldn't surprise me if people were painting smilies after the fact just to perpetuate the myth, and of course there are smiley faces are everywhere.

 

[CARIIS]

I wanna thank moderators for moving poll to here and thank you guys for doing it. Its amazing how diverse our notions are--thanx again