Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[cdogstu99]

could this be where he was standing?

yep thanks i'm pretty sure that's it ...see my latest post.

 

[cdogstu99]

Okay now i'm noticing something else. Based on my observation of where Zach was standing the first time. He is looking off to his right---which is not towards the Bell in Hand but in the opposite direction. What exactly was he looking at?

 

[CARIIS]

How is this? No he could not have seen his friends.

You are aweaome with your pics!! It helps so much.

OK, to you guys think this translates to bar being total liars , or did we just "assume" he was standing across the street , becasue this pic has to indicate, just specuating here, that he just left.

I think we understandable, assumed there was some relevance to the standing there pic.Now that I saw this I am thinking what is bar trying to "prove" by releasing a pic of him standing "somewhere"? It just strikes me as total BS - what am not connecting here?

We have some time frame issues. How far away in terms of walking is this location from the bar? Casn it fill in some time gaps? And /or give us a notion if he texted her the lets leave deal and then just instantly split -- not wait to catch up?

I am sorry, but if the timeframes look like he did not wait that sounds much more like drug connection, following a pretty woman, someone walking up with a knife and forcing him or something.

Who on earth in the middle of a big city, easily lost , would just take off and leave with no clothes? Or it could take us to extremely buzzed where sense of time is altered and to him it felt like he had waited a long time and said F### this?
The time it takes to walk to this loction can be signfigant , in terms of how long he waited to be rescued IMO!!

 

[KYPastTracker]

Okay now i'm noticing something else. Based on my observation of where Zach was standing the first time. He is looking off to his right---which is not towards the Bell in Hand but in the opposite direction. What exactly was he looking at?

is there a parking garage on the other end of that block? I thought I saw that when I Googled the area. Was he looking towards the parking area?

 

[cdogstu99]

This would have been his line of vision. Over on the right if he had walked a few minutes up the orange line (subway) is right there.

 

[cdogstu99]

You are aweaome with your pics!! It helps so much.

OK, to you guys think this translates to bar being total liars , or did we just "assume" he was standing across the street , becasue this pic has to indicate, just specuating here, that he just left.

I think we understandable, assumed there was some relevance to the standing there pic.Now that I saw this I am thinking what is bar trying to "prove" by releasing a pic of him standing "somewhere"? It just strikes me as total BS - what am not connecting here?

We have some time frame issues. How far away in terms of walking is this location from the bar? Casn it fill in some time gaps?

sorry check out my second post. This one would have been where he is on the run. The other picture i posted shows where he was standing still which was actually very close and across the street. BUT he wasn't looking at the bar, he was looking in the opposite direction.

 

[cdogstu99]

Here's a view of from the front of the Bell In Hand over to where Zach was standing at 1:40AM. WHY OH WHY Would Someone with NO JACKET WALK Across the street to wait for friends. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

 

[CARIIS]

But now --i'm positive that the picture where he's walking is in the position that i pointed out. BUT i can't tell if that first one where he is standing in the window is in the same spot. It actually looks like it could be the other side of Boston Public Market where he WOULD be able to see the Bell In Hand. Anyone help me with this?

All along , for some reason I just thought they were both in front of the same location!! How silly huh?

RE:Maybe no one has gone back to clean the place out since he went missing. It's a long shot...

Oh my-- that is a interesting notion , and kill himself inside? Just thinking aloud folks!​

 

[CARIIS]

okay i can see that cement beam and i think i found where he was standing which is in direct sight of Bell in Hand. Now I'm pretty confident that second picture at 1:44AM is on the other side of Boston Public Market on Hanover Street--where he is walking towards Southern Artery. I failed to recognize the first time around that both pictures weren't in the same location (based on the text on the windows). The image i post here doesn't have the same text in the windows because this was pre-opening of BPM (image from Google Maps). So the conclusion here is that Zach was on the move very very quickly from that first picture because he would have had to walk down past the Bell in Hand and over around Boston Public Market. He was definitely likely heading somewhere.

Doesent this seem pretty far away to be if you, in the dead of night are hoping to catch up with someone ?

 

[Timekeeper65]

I'll add, to me, there are quite a few sketchy people hanging out down around haymarket, gov't center, canal street, the jail area, all down in their--even in the daytime, let alone at 1:30am or after! I recall walking from po square to my dermatologist off once on lancaster down on the way towards the garden. The 2 or 3 times I've done that, every time, I see people who look like trouble, seen people having words/arguing, talking to themselves, slouched on the ground/homeless, etc. It's not great. This is the area just north of the public market where there is a walk under of sorts, the haymarket T stop, a couple tiny convenience stores. It's old and has character, but it's dirty with low life hanging around, and having lived there for a long time, you get to know what goes on around these places.

Welcome. Thanks for your input

:welcome6:

 

[cdogstu99]

Doesent this seem pretty far away to be if you, in the dead of night are hoping to catch up with someone ?

It SURE does..check out my last post. My opinion is that Zach was meeting someone. "Hey Man, meet me outside of Boston Public Market!" "No Dummy you're at the wrong entrance---go down to the other side all the way at the other end and I'll pick you up"

 

[CARIIS]

Okay now i'm noticing something else. Based on my observation of where Zach was standing the first time. He is looking off to his right---which is not towards the Bell in Hand but in the opposite direction. What exactly was he looking at?

I am starting to get a drug deal.............OR a very inebriated individual, cause none of his "intent" makes any sense at all.

We also, IMO must remember he was bounced.......

 

[CARIIS]

That's right. Heading north would be ... Canal Street, some bars, the Garden area, not much else. Heading over the Greenway to the North End or Long Wharf area and ... there are some tiny local spots that might be open, but most closed by 2, and yes the water would be the east boundary.

I noticed you recently joined. You have been warned (!) it can be a very addictive place!!

Also Roughly how far is Southie area away from Bar?

 

[KYPastTracker]

This would have been his line of vision. Over on the right if he had walked a few minutes up the orange line (subway) is right there.

Ok, so there was actually another corner there. So from where he was standing, he couldn't have seen down the street where the entrance to the parking garage was. See my attached map I made before you posted this. You are right.

 

[Steleheart]

The picture of Zach standing is from INSIDE Boston Public Market, which is located at 100 Hanover St. diagonally across from the Bell in Hand at the corner of Union and Hanover.
Looking out from the market at Zach's back, he is facing the Bell in Hand. East is to his left toward the Surface Artery. Zach is looking to his right (west) toward Congress St.


"A surveillance image provided to the Marr family by Boston Public Market, which is in the vicinity of the Bell in Hand Tavern."

The next image is from inside the Boston Public Market and shows Zach walking east toward the Surface Artery.

"A surveillance image provided to the Marr family by Boston Public Market, which is in the vicinity of the Bell in Hand Tavern."


http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...ary-Marr-Harvard-Massachusetts-368845361.html

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...2!3m1!1s0x89e3708f5c43a885:0x149c19d0571898aa

 

[cdogstu99]

Amanda was right...Zach wasn't really blitzed..he walked down the street in a few minutes to get to the other side of Boston Public Market. That second picture now looks to me like he is about to get in someone's car.

 

[cdogstu99]

The picture of Zach standing is from INSIDE Boston Public Market, which is located at 100 Hanover St. diagonally across from the Bell in Hand at the corner of Union and Hanover.
Looking out from the market at Zach's back, he is facing the Bell in Hand. East is to his left toward the Surface Artery. Zach is looking to his right (west) toward Congress St.

"A surveillance image provided to the Marr family by Boston Public Market, which is in the vicinity of the Bell in Hand Tavern."

The next image is from inside the Boston Public Market and shows Zach walking east toward the Surface Artery.

"A surveillance image provided to the Marr family by Boston Public Market, which is in the vicinity of the Bell in Hand Tavern."


http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...ary-Marr-Harvard-Massachusetts-368845361.html

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...2!3m1!1s0x89e3708f5c43a885:0x149c19d0571898aa

Thanks for this--glad you were able to confirm my guess work.

 

[Steleheart]

I am starting to get a drug deal.............OR a very inebriated individual, cause none of his "intent" makes any sense at all.

We also, IMO must remember he was bounced.......

BBM:
Please provide a link? Thanks.

 

[cdogstu99]

I am starting to get a drug deal.............OR a very inebriated individual, cause none of his "intent" makes any sense at all.

We also, IMO must remember he was bounced.......

Ya know. i'm starting to think he was not bounced. I got a few posts deleted by the mods, but I'll tread carefully. Here's what i think went down.

He leaves the bar because he gets a call from someone at around 1:20.

Said person tells Zach to meet him over at Boston Public Market.

Zach waits for a few minutes and at around 1:41 or so gets a call from said individual telling him that he's on the wrong side and that he needs to walk down Hanover to the other side of BPM. We know at this point (based on statements from Amanda) that his phone is still on. Zach is shown crossing into the picture in front of BPM on Hanover at 1:44AM. This goes back to me thinking that he was not bounced and not blitzed to the point of falling into the harbor since he's able to walk a straight line to the other side of the market in a few minutes.

Zach IMO hops in the car of the person and is either taken against his will or willingly goes.

NOW i won't speculate on the reason of the call or the meeting but we can all assume what that might have been.

NOW the optimist in me hopes and prays that for some reason the person that picked up Zach was taking him and him or herself somewhere far away from Massachusetts to have a do-over. Odds of course are slim but why not hold out at least a little hope.

 

[CARIIS]

o/t

Computer whiz requested! I just hit (windows 10 CC Cleaner) check for duplicate files

It 4 billion, 326 million files !!! but do you have to go through and "save" one of each,

That is going to be an attn span issue yuk!