Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #10

[MENDEL]

All I think is that he could have done it. I don't believe he's any sort of mastermind either, but I don't agree with your assertion that this was necassarily some "ingenious" plan cooked up by some mega intelligent criminal.

My point was that stealing a sleeping child from an apartment where nobody is around is not that much different logistically speaking, to stealing anything else from an apartment. I'm not sure what makes you assert that the crime was "ingenious" other than the fact he hasn't been caught yet. Lots of pretty dumb criminals don't get caught either.

DLK, I agree with you about technicalities. The main difference is that child abduction ranks quite upwards of non-violent robbery in seriousness. You can expect a response unproportional to technicalities involved. If he had stolen things from McCanns home you'd never heard about that. Less so have a 10 parts thread about him as suspect.

 

[Busyliz]

Back to the lounge photo/still, where can some posters see a small figure? I’ve looked and looked and can’t see anything baring any resemblance to a human form, could you repost with the area circled so I try and see what you’re seeing please.

 

[Dlk79]

DLK, I agree with you about technicalities. The main difference is that child abduction ranks quite upwards of non-violent robbery in seriousness. You can expect a response unproportional to technicalities involved. If he had stolen things from McCanns home you'd never heard about that. Less so have a 10 parts thread about him as suspect.

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily make it any easier to solve just because it's a more serious crime. A careful burglar and a careful abductor leave the same trace. None.

 

[sleuth-d-]

He's been caught by police stealing diesel. They easily located him in Italy. He admitted to judge he had been sentenced as minor in Germany, something that judge could hardly know and if anything would upgrade his punishment. Then he told judge to "F*ck off". He was easily caught, identified, surrounded and in police hand's when he had an international warrant. Just a few thoughts.

i can't work out where you are going with this. do you think CB didn't do the abduction?

 

[MENDEL]

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily make it any easier to solve just because it's a more serious crime. A careful burglar and a careful abductor leave the same trace. None.

Indeed. But if you chose any of his robberies and as much stuff was invested as with MM's disappearance, I personally doubt that robbery would keep unsolved for too long.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Cool Hope you keep finding every detail. Even sordid ones.

On that note, Mendel - I’m sorry but also very relieved to say that I don’t think CB’s DT trainer was actually a DT trainer. I zoomed in and I’m pretty sure I can see a black connector thingy near the top of it, on the side. As if it had a lid. I’m back to thinking it’s a weed storage tube. Or some sort of storage tube, anyway.

I’m very relieved for the sake of whoever’s company he had that night. But my poor eyes and IP address

 

[MENDEL]

i can't work out where you are going with this. do you think CB didn't do the abduction?

D, I already told what I think about CB. I concede he might have done it, but only as a low-ranking accomplice because he's not clever enough to have done it alone.

 

[peanutJelly]

love Dexter !!!!!

Me too! He’d deffo keep us busy on here!!

 

[peanutJelly]

He's been caught by police stealing diesel. They easily located him in Italy. He admitted to judge he had been sentenced as minor in Germany, something that judge could hardly know and if anything would upgrade his punishment. Then he told judge to "F*ck off". He was easily caught, identified, surrounded and in police hand's when he had an international warrant.

Just a few thoughts, Ted. I guess enough for you to agree he's an impulsive offender FBI profilers are talking about.

IMO he’s arrogant because he’s got away with things soooo many times. With no fixed abode I don’t think a few months every now and then for petty crimes is too much of a hardship so he’s not worried by this - he’s soon out and free to commit more heinous crimes for which he wouldn’t want to get caught as he’d be locked away for too long. Seems to take more care when he feels it’s needed?!

 

[Dlk79]

D, I already told what I think about CB. I concede he might have done it, but only as a low-ranking accomplice because he's not clever enough to have done it alone.

But what makes you think the abduction required someone to be especially clever? As opposed to someone who is obviously clever enough to be a succesful burglar?

It seems to be purely based on him not being caught at the time. I don't know what evidence you expect the police to find if he didn't leave any. Which isn't that difficult for someone who obviously knows how to cover their tracks.

 

[sleuth-d-]

D, I already told what I think about CB. I concede he might have done it, but only as a low-ranking accomplice because he's not clever enough to have done it alone.

i am just interested in talking all the options through.
so you believe it is a chain of command. multiple people involved. and these people somehow chose a 'great disaster' (your words), to do the abduction. he is low-ranking but doing the most important element.
in your opinion he is easily caught, but it has taken 13 years to catch him.
also, having been caught the low-ranking accomplice can now bring down the whole operation. didn't the people involved take a huge risk there?

this does not make any sense to me.

 

[tedtink]

On that note, Mendel - I’m sorry but also very relieved to say that I don’t think CB’s DT trainer was actually a DT trainer. I zoomed in and I’m pretty sure I can see a black connector thingy near the top of it, on the side. As if it had a lid. I’m back to thinking it’s a weed storage tube. Or some sort of storage tube, anyway.

I’m very relieved for the sake of whoever’s company he had that night. But my poor eyes and IP address

It could have been a storage tube for a DT trainer?
Just wanna keep that thought in ur head lol

 

[SuperdadV8]

I do not attend to offend someone but...

never heard of someone that is capable of doing things that are LIKELY linked to CB, and had a lackey.

IMO sadist's are usually loners.

 

[redplanet]

Looks like apartment 5G (1st floor) and apartment 5L (2nd floor ), both burgled in April 2007, each have a window accessible from outside by going up the communal stairs/lift.

 

[MENDEL]

i am just interested in talking all the options through.
so you believe it is a chain of command. multiple people involved. and these people somehow chose a 'great disaster' (your words), to do the abduction. he is low-ranking but doing the most important element.
in your opinion he is easily caught, but it has taken 13 years to catch him.
also, having been caught the low-ranking accomplice can now bring down the whole operation. didn't the people involved take a huge risk there?

this does not make any sense to me.

Perhaps they had to take the risk, D. Perhaps CB had the know-how they needed. He was a burglar in OC, knew the place enough well, probably had contacts inside. He's not someone dispensable. Maybe being a German native speaker might have also helped.

 

[tedtink]

But what makes you think the abduction required someone to be clever? As opposed to someone who is obviously clever enough to be a succesful burglar?

It seems to be purely based on him not being caught at the time. I don't know what evidence you expect the police to find if he didn't leave any.

Of course you don't have to be clever to have done this. He just used the emotional behavioral, intellectual and personal skills that he had, Doesn't matter how well those tools are developed or not.
Fred West, like I said, thick as mince intellectually but a good builder - killed, raped, tortured 12 victims concealed in his house and garden in a terraced house in Gloucester town uk - all found many years later. He'd have scored 0 on mastermind unless his specialist subject was concealing bodies for years!

 

[Betty_Boop88]

It could have been a storage tube for a DT trainer?
Just wanna keep that thought in ur head lol

TED
We need a laugh emoji on here lol.

I was going to say, according to Google images, these things usually come with “head gear” (pardon the pun ). But from what I can remember they all seemed to be removable. Black strappy type things. Then that got me thinking of the black thing on the floor... Damn you, Ted lol.
Still think it’s for weed

Now we’re back on that photo again; I know it’s a poor copy, but would anyone on a high resolution screen be able to zoom in on the exercise ball? That’s where the flash is reflecting. Was wondering if we could pick up on anything. We love a good reflection on this thread

 

[tedtink]

TED
We need a laugh emoji on here lol.

I was going to say, according to Google images, these things usually come with “head gear” (pardon the pun ). But from what I can remember they all seemed to be removable. Black strappy type things. Then that got me thinking of the black thing on the floor... Damn you, Ted lol.
Still think it’s for weed

Now we’re back on that photo again; I know it’s a poor copy, but would anyone on a high resolution screen be able to zoom in on the exercise ball? That’s where the flash is reflecting. Was wondering if we could pick up on anything. We love a good reflection on this thread

At the moment I can't think of why it would have head gear - give me a minute!

 

[peanutJelly]

Of course you don't have to be clever to have done this. He just used the emotional behavioral, intellectual and personal skills that he had, Doesn't matter how well those tools are developed or not.
Fred West, like I said, thick as mince intellectually but a good builder - killed, raped, tortured 12 victims concealed in his house and garden in a terraced house in Gloucester town uk - all found many years later. He'd have scored 0 on mastermind unless his specialist subject was concealing bodies for years!

I’m just not sure what we mean here by intelligent? Sure he lacks education and academic qualifications, but with a different life could for all we know have ended up with a much different career path. I’ve read that surgeons, CEOs etc often have psychopathic personality traits. They just had appropriate options to channel that for the good of society. CB seems to have been a bit of a drifter with an alternative lifestyle, likely impacted by his life experiences, but IMO this does not make him unintelligent.

 

[tedtink]

At the moment I can't think of why it would have head gear - give me a minute!

Jeez I've just looked at google images!