Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #15

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I think it's difficult for us to judge his looks because we know what he's been accused of and what he's already been charged with. In the light of that it's hard not to see evil eyes or whatever

But if I was presented with his photo with no prior knowledge I'd have said unremarkably ordinary. You wouldn't look twice if you passed him on the street because he's not outstandingly attractive or distinctive looking. You wouldn't find him physically unattractive if you were flirting in the pub or if he chatted you up.

In short he would only be noticable if his behaviour appeared odd.

I agree. Plus, there's also a lot to be said for the perception you have of someone you see in a photo versus meeting then in the flesh with body language, eye contact, personal dynamic etc. What I mean is you can only tell so much from the photos, especially if he isn't 'integrated' wholly as a person/self and presents in many different ways.
 
The relevance of this is how would you describe him if you saw him acting suspiciously and does it fit in with any witness descriptions from around May 2007.
That's quite a difficult one I think because your initial focus would always on the behaviour for long enough to register it as odd. And then it would become very difficult to continue to observe someone without them noticing IMO. Then you add in distance. Now it would be easy to just quickly take a picture but not in 2007.

I would, like most folk, focus on build and clothing but be vaguer on facial features. Long, thin face.

If I was closer, long thin face, very slightly asymmetrical with chin higher on RHS. Then maybe I'd notice if pockmarked or not.

The only thing I would say is the chin is asymmetrical on one of the Smithman efits tho on the LHS. That could be because they noticed that but didn't register orientation or could be just an artefact of whoever was drawing it

Either way descriptions could describe him in some way and thousands of others
 
The relevance of this is how would you describe him if you saw him acting suspiciously and does it fit in with any witness descriptions from around May 2007.
That's quite a difficult one I think because your initial focus would always on the behaviour for long enough to register it as odd. And then it would become very difficult to continue to observe someone without them noticing IMO. Then you add in distance. Now it would be easy to just quickly take a picture but not in 2007.

I would, like most folk, focus on build and clothing but be vaguer on facial features. Long, thin face.

If I was closer, long thin face, very slightly asymmetrical with chin higher on RHS. Then maybe I'd notice if pockmarked or not.

The only thing I would say is the chin is asymmetrical on one of the Smithman efits tho on the LHS. That could be because they noticed that but didn't register orientation or could be just an artefact of whoever was drawing it

Either way descriptions could describe him in some way and thousands of others
 
oh please don't start with the xenophobia nonsense again.
UK tabloids scrutinize everything and everyone, it isn't a 'xenophobic' issue, they are rags don't get me wrong but to try and make out its only towards "johnny foreigners" is simply not true and rather ignorant. IMO

? But I never said or even implied it was only directed at 'Johnny Foreigner'. Of course it's not. I agree entirely with you that the tabloids know their audience and their innate prejudices about, well, the list is too long to list, and play to it at every opportunity.

I was speaking specifically about and in response to mrjitty's 'Suspicious looking pock marked eastern european hanging around the ocean club etc' example.
 
So according to this CB rented the Hanover plot after the red haired man in 2008.
Vermisstenfall Maddie McCann: Was über die Durchsuchung in Hannover bekannt ist
Hmm, yet more contradictions in the press. The other neighbour said CB went there in 2007 and also that the allotments were only handed out in 2006, so how could the ginger guy have been there from 2005 like the neighbour in the new report says?

Mr Kossack, a retired electrician, said he remembered Brueckner took it over in 2007 because the allotments had only been handed out by the local authorities the year before.

Brueckner's plot of land was originally owned by someone else before it was passed onto the convicted rapist.

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann kidnap suspect's secret CELLAR
 
After finding out about this yesterday morning, CB's video/new pics released, and a lot of wasted time, I have managed to put this very long but IMO interesting post together.

I was searching for some info on someone else yesterday and randomly found this info about the relatively unknown murder of 'YS' in Bruanshweig/Hanover Oct 1996

CB would have been 20 and was said to be in Portugal at the time of this murder Oct 96. That in itself can't rule CB out of any involvement. The only connection so far with this and CB is the fact the girls legs were found within 3-4 kms from where CB was known to live in Hanover at different periods of his life, and the similarity to the murder of MP

The method seems similar to what happened to MP in 2010. Very surprised the media haven't included this poor girl in their long list of possible victims, I see nothing on MSN yet mentioning her name. If LE suspect CB might be connected to MP's murder then they should also look at a possible connection with CB to this murder. Unless they are/have already.

I cant really see CB chopping up bodies myself, maybe there was another killer/butcher around Hanover back then or 2 different killers, there is a 14 year difference between these two similar murders.
UELZEN: Tötungsdelikt z. N. von Jasmin Stieler (1996)
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"October 5, 1996:
YS, 18 years old student from Uelzen, wanted to take the train to Braunschweig in the evening to the Atlantis disco in Braunschweig. Actually with a friend who didn't feel like it, so YS left alone. She never arrived at the disco. Her body was found dismembered (filigree sawn) on the railway embankment near Vechelde about nine days later. Weeks later, her legs were found in the Ricklinger gravel ponds near Hanover. Some time later a mushroom picker found the head in the forest near Hämelerwald. The arms with the hands are still missing today."

Ricklinger, where YV's legs were found is ~4 kms from Linden Hanover where CB lived in 2010/12, where MP went missing and some of her body parts found, and the latest search sites in Ahlem

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Something I noticed from the linked article was that LE had a 'HV' in for questioning in this case and I remembered the name as one of the persons sentenced last year from the Detmold pedo/CP bust was a HV. I even did a quick search on the name back then.

"Along with a third suspect, HV, they were accused of 450 instances of child sexual abuse.
Prosecutors said more than 40 children fell victim to the men at the "Eichwald" campsite between 1998 and 2018.
Most of the children were between three and 14 years old at the time."

https://www.thelocal.de/20190905/two-jailed-for-over-a-decade-in-german-campsite-child-abuse-case

Campingplatz Eichwald, Lügde, Detmold
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"The Youth Protection Chamber, chaired by Judge AG, sentenced HV. to a two-year suspended sentence on July 17 for inciting and helping to inflict serious sexual abuse on children. The prosecutor's office had ordered a sentence of two years and nine months."

Not sure yet, but I think this sentence was reviewed and withheld, more info in the link. There was a noted public outrage about HV's suspended sentence.

Lügde-Prozess: Bewährungsstrafe gegen Heiko V. rechtskräftig | Lokale Nachrichten aus Lügde
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YS was living in Birkanlee, Detmold, at the time she was murdered.

It looks as though HV may have slipped out of the net 24 years ago with YS and may have slipped the net once again in the Detmold CP case.

I remembered the name HV because I thought when I first read the article that he could possibly have a connection with CB .

Could HV be the person that called CB 03 May, or have some other connection with him? Could CB have delivered MM to HV? Could LE have found something in that bust that incriminates CB in some way? Or something in the other major bust linked in the article?

What is the Braunshchwieg - Hanover - Detmold connection, if there is one?

Who actually did kill and butcher the girls? The same murderer, or 2 different killers?

Is HV even the same person as HV, I would say so. 1 letter difference in first name.

So many questions arise from this.

RTA

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The murdered girl was last seen heading to the Jolli Joker Disco. The disco is 500 meters from the kiosk in Braunschwieg where CB lived 2012-2014. It's looking like he might have lived there before. He was imprisoned or sentenced in Braunshwieg in 1999 Im not sure which.

RTA

Some info about the man held for 6 months in this case in 2010, not just questioned as I previously thought.

"But the man who was remanded in custody in 2010 for urgent suspicion was never brought to trial - the regional court in Braunschweig considered the evidence to be too thin..!!!"

Fall Yasmin Stieler: Bleibt ihr Tod ungesühnt? | Stadt Uelzen
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The Ricklingen gravel pits where the legs were found is apparently a place that you would have to know about and how to access the area. The area is known for nudism, dogging, gay hook ups, public sex acts ect. and fishing.

It's reported that CB used to park his camper at one point ~1km from this site and would likely have known of it's existence.
 
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Some footage of allotments,can anyone translate German or give a jist of what the guys saying?
Edit,actually if you click on it in description it tell you what he's saying
The allotment is probably the one in Braunschweig.
The man says that CB had the allotment from 2013 till April 2nd of 2016.
On April 2nd, 2016 he appeared before the chairman of the Verein/association and said that he was leaving the place, the garden was available.
To which the chairman answered that he had to give an official notice.
CB just left, without giving further notice. After two hours he appeared again and this time he gave official notice that he was leaving the place.
He packed his personal things and left and was never seen again.

The chairman also said that he and others were speechless when the news about CB came out.
[Where is that description knob you have mentioned?]
 
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CB always just seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Where does it say CB was there at this time? In 1996 he was supposedly hiding in Portugal from the youth sentence he was supposed to serve. Is there a link that puts him back in Germany at this time?
 
To save anyone time I did manage to find the trips webpage on the wayback machine but there are not many grabs of the site so nothing about CB. The following translation captures the spirit of the adventure the young people were on: Der Trip deines Lebens!

April 02, 2007
storm of Love

We're stuck again! And that too crooked. In stormy rain, lightning and thunder. Our first romantic night is coming, which we have already started with delicious wine, beer and scary stories. But unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that we're stuck. Hence at least romantic. After the day had started quite well and we were able to leave our lonely gas station, our big plans to experience Barcelona at sunset did not quite work out. Here, too, continuous siesta seems to be the order of the day, hardly anyone comes by and certainly not with a towbar. The eternally painful subject. We obviously stand out for that. Not always as we would like, but at least we stimulate the fantasies of the petrol station attendants.

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Posted by Ulrike at 11:51 PM | 2 comments | Category: The caravan LIVE
Open the city gates, Barcelona, we're coming!

0204_6

Every additional kilometer triggers euphoria with us, hence this heading. Happiness accompanied us at least a bit, and four Germans and their three dogs moved us to a much larger rest area in Gandia. Heiko and Kurt are just about to emigrate to Portugal, and Heiko's parents have now taken a look at the area where their son is moving on their vacation. They are not yet completely convinced of this step, since the distance to Portugal is already very long and a spontaneous meeting is not so easy.

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Shared pain is half of the pain

0204_1

We are stuck, and we did it yesterday morning. Frustration is slowly spreading, especially since the weather is about to rain and hardly a car can get past this lonely gas station. Certainly not one with a towbar. Our goal today to come to Barcelona doesn't seem tangible yet, but it is doable. Barcelona is about 450 kilometers from here, and we can drive 500 kilometers today. What makes our project even more difficult is Lars' panicky fear of dogs. He doesn't admit it, but his aversion to cute wowwaus is obvious. The best one still has a sore throat today, I guess that comes from yesterday's hair washing in the open air.

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April 01, 2007
I got nice hair…

0104_16

Lars has been washing his hair for the first time in six days at the motorway service area this morning. Uli held the canister and was delighted at how he lolled sexy underneath. No wonder with this fragrant shampoo! Here is the highly erotic clip:

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You see, we are making the best of this Sunday, which unfortunately has not given us any new kilometers today. Sandro from yesterday drove us back to the motorway service area around half past 11 and we quickly bought 10 kilos of fresh oranges for 4 euros. You can't imagine what they taste like. Something refreshing, no supermarket in Germany has anything like that to offer.

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Good day. I want my life back! (Saturday experience report)


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Picture from the private archive of the Indian type (there he was in India and was made up)

There it was again: Our beloved gas station. A fresh, intense smell of gasoline flowed through our nasal cavities and was only interrupted by the shrill ringing of the cell phone. The voice of Sven made us aware of which day of the week we live. Our sense of time diminishes from day to day and is only controlled by the rising and setting of the sun.

We didn't set out until around ten o'clock to look for new passengers. We tried out a new secret strategy. We split up. Communication specialist Uli wore her charm directly at the petrol pump, Lars put his innocent smile at the entrance to the motorway. I moved between the chairs and tried here and there to discover my hidden skills as a motivational trainer.

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This is great!
Page of March 30th doesn't exist any more? Or can't be displayed?
 
Where does it say CB was there at this time? In 1996 he was supposedly hiding in Portugal from the youth sentence he was supposed to serve. Is there a link that puts him back in Germany at this time?

It doesn't Dlk - that's why I deleted a while ago as I thought my joke maybe taken as fact. :)
 
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They say the video of CB from March 30th 2007 is important, because BKA thought, CB used the van not earlier as April/Mai 2007.

And also the MM sighting in Spain get's into focus.

Hard to think, Interpol hasn't told german L.E. about the video?!

Portugal-Touristen filmten Christian B. | Warum das Video für den Fall Maddie wichtig ist
The report doesn't say that BKA thought that CB didn't use the van before April/May?
Please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not German native speaker as you know), but I seem to have understood them saying that the film is important because it confirms that CB was using the VW before April/May?

We have read several accounts describing CB using the van before April/May.
 
The report doesn't say that BKA thought that CB didn't use the van before April/May?
Please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not German native speaker as you know), but I seem to have understood them saying that the film is important because it confirms that CB was using the VW before April/May?

We have read several accounts describing CB using the van before April/May.
I can't recall what BKA said about it exactly, but I know in the appeal from SY they said that they knew he had use of it "from at least April/May". The way I interpret that is they have confirmed evidence of these dates but suspect he may have had it from even earlier based on other eyewitness accounts. JMO.
 
The report doesn't say that BKA thought that CB didn't use the van before April/May?
Please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not German native speaker as you know), but I seem to have understood them saying that the film is important because it confirms that CB was using the VW before April/May?

We have read several accounts describing CB using the van before April/May.

BKA is investigating to the Westfalia according to people who saw it from Mai. They say, in May it had portugese Plates.

It could be, it's just reporters assumption, that BKA thinks, he didn't use it earlier, yes!
 

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BKA is investigating to the Westfalia according to people who saw it from Mai. They say, in May it had portugese Plates.

It could be, it's just reporters assumption, that BKA thinks, he didn't use it earlier, yes!
Hmmmmmm, that's not my understanding......
BKA was asking for any valuable information about the van. Whether anyone had seen the van or knew anything about its whereabouts in the period of beginning May.
I don't deduce from that, that BKA assumed that the van was not being used (by CB) prior to the beginning of May?
 
Hmmmmmm, that's not my understanding......
BKA was asking for any valuable information about the van. Whether anyone had seen the van or knew anything about its whereabouts in the period of beginning May.
I don't deduce from that, that BKA assumed that the van was not being used (by CB) prior to the beginning of May?

I don't do that too! Reporter in the Video i posted before, does that! Please do not get me wrong. Just reported it.
 
I don't do that too! Reporter in the Video i posted before, does that! Please do not get me wrong. Just reported it.
OK ;)! But I also didn't hear the reporter mention that? (That BKA thought ....)
 
OK ;)! But I also didn't hear the reporter mention that? (That BKA thought ....)

Than you must got issues with at least one of your ears!;)

No offence!!! I know, you know that!
 
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