Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[SuperdadV8]

So it WAS a German LE 'tip off' that lead the Portuguese Police to search the wells.
That wasn't reported at the time.

According to the fact that HCW seems to choose his words carefully considered, yes! Why not? He will never be quoted as the one, that confirmes that they or the BKA made the PJ to investigate this or that IMO....

Finding the body should be the last and logical step and even the cause, why no charges had been made yet.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Although i would like to see some kind of development in FF's behavior, i would like to doubt, that this case will have a winner at the end.

If the prosecutors aren't able to pin it on the suspect in the end, it shouldn't be the result of the solicitors hard work. If that happens, the prosecutors should never be able to pin it on anyone.

The parents will never know, what happened to their sweet little child.

The suspect, although not charged or sentenced will be always connected to the unsolved case.

FF missed his chance to raise his worth.

That won't be satisfying for anyone for a long time. Let's hope, FF could have some interest to make his client confess maybe, of course if the client is involved, because progress is needed?!

Just an offensive thought, please excuse....!

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Just a quick thought. The German investigators are very interested in tracking down the person who made the phone-call to CB. Why? Could it be that the Germans have that phone and it has pics of Maddy- so if they can prove that it was in CB’s hands they have a slam dunk case?

 

[Chiatos]

It's actually quite interesting to know that CB made use of his SD-card as a USB or disk!
He downloaded images from the internet (with a PC) and then saved them on his camera card.

 

[mrjitty]

So it WAS a German LE 'tip off' that lead the Portuguese Police to search the wells.
That wasn't reported at the time.

"The search operation took place following a tip from Germany, which we had received and passed on to Portuguese Police".........

discovery+

This is a good example of why we shouldn't trust the tabloid media - the leaks about tensions between the rival police forces and PJ going off on its own turn out not to be true.

 

[mrjitty]

According to the fact that HCW seems to choose his words carefully considered, yes! Why not? He will never be quoted as the one, that confirmes that they or the BKA made the PJ to investigate this or that IMO....

Finding the body should be the last and logical step and even the cause, why no charges had been made yet.

I don't think they will ever find the body, unless a miracle happens like in the McStay case.

I suspect it has been concealed quite far from PdL

 

[SuperdadV8]

I don't think they will ever find the body, unless a miracle happens like in the McStay case.

I suspect it has been concealed quite far from PdL

Probably. According to HCW's clear statement that they have no body or parts of it and the witness statement of CB claiming that pigs eat human flesh either, i could assume other reasons, that make it harder to locate the possible remains.

Building up a murder case without a body ain't that easy!

 

[Anxala]

You never get me, so ignore anything I put, think that would be a simple solution

@Lilly b, it's not that I don't get you, just that sometimes I don't understand your line of thinking. That's all. It's not personal.

 

[Lilly b]

@Lilly b, it's not that I don't get you, just that sometimes I don't understand your line of thinking. That's all. It's not personal.

Fair enough, other people get my lines of thinking.
I don't take it personally,
if you see a post of mine you don't like, or understand, just step back
Other people have put things on, which may not seem relevant to this case, but you don't snap at there posts, and I certainly don't, I value and respect any other persons comments and posts
Just saying

 

[Anxala]

Just a quick thought. The German investigators are very interested in tracking down the person who made the phone-call to CB. Why? Could it be that the Germans have that phone and it has pics of Maddy- so if they can prove that it was in CB’s hands they have a slam dunk case?

An interesting thought. My impression from what HCW has said from the off is that placing CB in the immediate vicinity on the evening of the 3rd is what's crucial for the BKA's investigation, but that, of course, doesn't rule out them having additional info, same phone-related, that would tie him to MM's disappearance.

Still an incredibly long shot that that caller is going to come forward (for all the reasons put forward on earlier threads) at this very late stage of the game.

Which leaves the investigation where...?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I'm going to admit that I did change a little bit my mind over CB/MM and I do want to trust that HCW and BKA do have solid indications that CB is involved on MM case now. With that in mind I'm going to state that I do think that BKA might have way more than just one "secret evidence" that CB did kill/took MM.

I think that what BKA do have is several pieces of secret evidences / information that they are not sharing with the public and all of those pieces together make the "puzzle" complete, meaning that individual each piece might not mean much but all together they can lead CB to jail for the MM crime. Goes without saying that i might be completly wrong but i do want to trust BKA. I don't think they would go public with something like this if they didn't had something relevant that could indeed indicate that CB is involved on MM case.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'm going to admit that I did change a little bit my mind over CB/MM and I do want to trust that HCW and BKA do have solid indications that CB is involved on MM case now. With that in mind I'm going to state that I do think that BKA might have way more than just one "secret evidence" that CB did kill/took MM.

I think that what BKA do have is several pieces of secret evidences / information that they are not sharing with the public and all of those pieces together make the "puzzle" complete, meaning that individual each piece might not mean much but all together they can lead CB to jail for the MM crime. Goes without saying that i might be completly wrong but i do want to trust BKA. I don't think they would go public with something like this if they didn't had something relevant that could indeed indicate that CB is involved on MM case.

What changed your opinion, although nothing new had been published so far?

 

[C.greek]

Thanks for this

I still get a heavy kind of deja vu where people quoted in the article complain about the media hysteria based on thin PJ evidence in 2007, but now speak positively about a new circus based on the mere say so of the germans

There is an underlying assumption that the germans "must" have very good evidence - but exactly the same assumptions were made in 07 which turned out to be wrong. Internally PJ did believe they had the killer evidence until the forensics didn't come up to spec.

There also appears to be a lot of wisdom of hindsight going on here - that CB should have been found sooner. But he was only ever finally linked to the case in the first place due to a tip off. We know PJ were aware of CB - but what was there to link him to the case? The cell record only shows he was in the area - but seeing he lived locally, that is not much to go on. Without probable cause, what can you do?

CB was a known pedophile already back in 2007. CB is a credible suspect because of his crimes and past. There was another tip off in 2013, that was not seemingly pursued further. He was also apparently investigated/questioned(?) by the PJ either in 2007 or 2008 but again the focus shifted on the MCs. There is no comparison between CB as a suspect and the MCs. I do not see any deja vue. Jmo

 

[Trivento]

It showed a bar called the shaker bar, whilst talking of the drunken outburst by cb

I wondered where this Shaker bar from Discovery doc was..matched from Streetview to a bar in Lagos. So not where CB would have been in 2017 “confessing “ i think as believe he was in Germany then .
Journos were in Lagos doing some of the filming for doc , so maybe just picked this bar image randomly to show while talking about a bar ...or maybe they found out bar was a haunt of CB when he was in Lagos in the past ?

 

[Tekno]

I wondered where this Shaker bar from Discovery doc was..matched from Streetview to a bar in Lagos. So not where CB would have been in 2017 “confessing “ i think as believe he was in Germany then .
Journos were in Lagos doing some of the filming for doc , so maybe just picked this bar image randomly to show while talking about a bar ...or maybe they found out bar was a haunt of CB when he was in Lagos in the past ?

The Shaker Bar is at R. 25 de Abril 68 Lagos, Trivento.

 

[Tekno]

Some information relating to the badge on the red swimming costume found in Brückner’s Winnebago.
https://www.german-way.com/swimming-in-germany/

 

[Trivento]

The Shaker Bar is at R. 25 de Abril 68 Lagos, Trivento.

Yes...been some changes since the Streetview image but that’s the street I thought also .

 

[mrjitty]

CB was a known pedophile already back in 2007. CB is a credible suspect because of his crimes and past. There was another tip off in 2013, that was not seemingly pursued further. He was also apparently investigated/questioned(?) by the PJ either in 2007 or 2008 but again the focus shifted on the MCs. There is no comparison between CB as a suspect and the MCs. I do not see any deja vue. Jmo

The deja vu i am referring to is basically propensity reasoning.

I am the first to argue that profiling is important - but what kind of crime are we profiling here?

I agree he is a credible suspect based on the version presented by HCW - but that assumes HCW has the evidence to back it up. Just like 2007 - the media does not know that.

 

[mrjitty]

An interesting thought. My impression from what HCW has said from the off is that placing CB in the immediate vicinity on the evening of the 3rd is what's crucial for the BKA's investigation, but that, of course, doesn't rule out them having additional info, same phone-related, that would tie him to MM's disappearance.

Still an incredibly long shot that that caller is going to come forward (for all the reasons put forward on earlier threads) at this very late stage of the game.

Which leaves the investigation where...?

At best, the phone evidence is going to place him him in PdL

There has been such bad reporting on this - that it places him "at the crime scene"

There is simply no way for that to be true - given the time of the call. But all these pieces of circumstantial evidence add up

 

[Trivento]

The recent documentaries still mention that CB “ confessed “ knowledge of MM in a German bar in 2017 , but as discussed here previously , are reports CB “ confessed “ involvement in 2008 at Orgiva and in 2017 HB contacted police about that 2008 event .
Maybe CB said something in 2008 and 2017..? Not too clear..