Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

[vermisstekindersuche]

'Popular' isn't a word that I'd use to describe such forums/sites, but yes they did exist back when MM went missing. CB's buddy MT even mentioned how CB was always on the Darkweb

The Dark Web (sometimes referred to as the “Darknet”) was officially launched 20 years ago, on March 20, 2000 with the release of “Freenet“: a peer-to-peer, decentralised network, designed to make it less vulnerable to attack and snooping by authorities and states.

For example from the Alexander B from Meißen case;

The pedophile casual worker has been in various child *advertiser censored* groups on the Internet since 2005. In 2010 he founded the site "Love Zone" with an accomplice.

The INTERNET do exist since 1983 but how many of you guys did use it back then ? One would use Telnet, Gopher and FTP but there was no WWW as we know it now. Only when windows 95/98 became popular general people started to use the INTERNET. Same goes for "DarkWeb".
How many of you guys would have the knowledge/expertise to configure a VPN tunnel by hand and set your browser to use a proxy and set that proxy to your own IP running the VPN tunnel ?
"Freenet" worked on P2P base and would require for your computer to get the list of addresses to connect to from another "trusted" member of the P2P network, so it was a "invitation based" network configured by hand and very hard to operate. TOR was easy but came intro play later. Even so TOR would route the traffic on other computers of the network to hide your IP but there was no way to create "hidden services" inside TOR network.
TOR became popular and useful to "normal people" when they provided a TOR BROWSER bundle that people would install and it would auto-configure the bundled browser to use TOR.
Back when MM went missing pedos were using P2P sharing networks like Kazaa, Emule, etc to share child abuse content and they were using usernet newsgroups. On that time it was very easy to bust people with child *advertiser censored* as the files even if partially would exist on the computer of the person sharing it and the IP would be public available to the people fetching the files.
At any rate I did work directly with missing children cases back on 2008 and pedos on that time weren't using encrypted, layer based VPNs like TOR at all. It was very technical and sophisticated for the majority of people. The so called "DarkWeb" is nothing more than hidden servers on the TOR network. And goes without saying TOR was NEVER created for pedophiles/illegal stuff, it was rather created to bypass censorship in some countries like China, etc. They only added the feature of hosting hidden servers way later and those "servers" were never meant to be used to host pedo forums.
Because of that majority of pedo forums and sites on Darkweb are VERY EASY to crack/read/access by any LEA agent even if they can't locate the IP of the persons on the sites they can still read all the content.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Maybe not on facebook, but maybe on paedo sites.

LEA already known ALL of the pedo site on the DarkWeb. They are indexed so pedos can access them. LEA already have a register in ALL of those sites/forums chats and they have a copy of ALL data ever posted there. They can't check the IP of the guys posting and so by norm they can't trace the abusers by IP but they can trace by abuse pictures and most if not almost all of victims are already ID and rescued. Goes without saying there are new victims everyday but LEA are very good to handle this sort of crime, unfortunately the victims are abused first because when the content is posted the victim was already abused but when content is posted LEA do trace it pretty fast and they have very cool ways to find victims.
They can for example pick up a frame of a abuse video on a darkweb site and run the face of the child against the database of ID cards and even social networks like facebook do provide LEA accounts that allow to do reverse image check against all pictures on their network even if the are hidden or private.
What this "investigator" is saying doesn't make sense. Tools wouldn't be able to "enter" and register on darkweb and that is not indexed by search engines.
What is posted only makes sense for social media like facebook but the tools do already exist. LEA can access facebook with LEA account and they have option to attempt to match a photo by vectors with all photos on the site.
Goes without saying 1) a abuser would need to keep MM locked and keep taking photos of her and posting on social media sites. 2) victim would need to be alive as if it was killed without taking videos/photos it will simply not work as media will not exist on the internet. 3) It could be that someone could walk MM around and someone taken a photo and posted on social media netwoks but is that likely ? NO. Majority of cases end up with a killed child and no content is available either on clearnet or darkweb so this for me just shows that the one that talked about the subject is not aware of LEA procedures regarding this sort of busts.
And as stated LEA already visited all known pedo sites and already gathered all photos/videos there so ... would MM "media" still be out there and not found ?
Also they can hack pretty much all darkweb sites. They might not be able to trace the servers and IPs but they can very well read all data on those sites as technology used is public domain and open source so LEA know very well how to gain permission on all of those forums to have access to all content.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Maybe not on facebook, but maybe on paedo sites.

This :

FBI Paid Anti-Child Predator Charity $250,000 for Hacking Tools

LEA is even paying hackers to get tools to hack pedo servers and download the entire database of forums even if severs itself are not busted.

Technology already exist, it's noting new and it's been under use everyday ...

 

[Sharkbite]

How many of you guys would have the knowledge/expertise to configure a VPN tunnel by hand and set your browser to use a proxy and set that proxy to your own IP running the VPN tunnel ?

Just a thought, but maybe this was the real reason that the musician and IT Specialist 'Christian P' used to visit the farmhouse, and not to fix CB's TV as he says?

 

[Lilly b]

Just a thought, but maybe this was the real reason that the musician and IT Specialist 'Christian P' used to visit the farmhouse, and not to fix CB's TV as he says?

I'm having a just a thought moment too,
So regarding the cell phone logs, that picked up CB that fateful night, do we know if they got access to phone records say a week before and a week after the fateful day? Because if so you could sort of pick up some sort of movements by different masts in the area?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'm having a just a thought moment too,
So regarding the cell phone logs, that picked up CB that fateful night, do we know if they got access to phone records say a week before and a week after the fateful day? Because if so you could sort of pick up some sort of movements by different masts in the area?

I think the records they have were over three days. I think one day either side of 3 May. I could be wrong though.

 

[Lilly b]

I think the records they have were over three days. I think one day either side of 3 May. I could be wrong though.

Now I've re read what was reported about 4 days ago about phone records, I think that's what they have, but looking at it I think they have more than that now, so then, if they have them for several days or longer, in effect CB's phone could be picked up and give them an idea of whereabouts he went, very interesting

 

[misty48]

Now I've re read what was reported about 4 days ago about phone records, I think that's what they have, but looking at it I think they have more than that now, so then, if they have them for several days or longer, in effect CB's phone could be picked up and give them an idea of whereabouts he went, very interesting

I presume he'd also have had another mobile number for use in Germany & possibly an additional one for Spain too which may assist BKA in ascertaining CB's cross-border movements.

 

[Lilly b]

P.J. POLICE FILES: PHONE AND TEXT MESSAGING
This says 28/04 to 27/07

 

[Denis R Tandib]

P.J. POLICE FILES: PHONE AND TEXT MESSAGING
This says 28/04 to 27/07

Yes but those records are only specifically for the Tapas group I think.

Someone will have recorded this, perhaps @redplanet or @Dlk79. I think there is a data file of all call/sms records for the PDL masts across the three available networks for three days around 3 May.

These records were used extensively by UK LE during the early stages of OG. Using the call data they identified several new suspects.

I seem to recall that there were 72k calls over the period. It is from these data that CB number was identified.

I’m sure all this is posted in a earlier forum.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Now I've re read what was reported about 4 days ago about phone records, I think that's what they have, but looking at it I think they have more than that now, so then, if they have them for several days or longer, in effect CB's phone could be picked up and give them an idea of whereabouts he went, very interesting

I would think it would have to be from a different source though, like an individual’s phone bill or something.

the phone companies don’t keep the data indefinitely so whatever they have in terms of new info must come from a more manual source - could be an old Nokia with the call log still on it or perhaps as mentioned above the person on the other end of the 3 May call to CB has come fwd.

 

[mrjitty]

I am sceptical there is any new phone evidence.

There is no official source for that.

 

[Henry2326]

5/16/21

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann now believe she was killed in Portugal by German suspect Christian Brueckner.

Detectives initially feared the convicted rapist had moved Madeleine to Germany from Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished 14 years ago.

But now prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the McCann investigation in Germany, claims the police are convinced she died in Portugal, reports the Sunday Mirror.

Mr Walters earlier this week revealed that new evidence has been gathered in recent days, though he declined to reveal specifics.

Investigators believe convicted child sex offender Brueckner – referred to as Christian B in Germany due to the country's strict privacy laws – murdered Madeleine after abducting her from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

When asked where he believed Maddie was killed, Mr Wolters told the newspaper: 'In Portugal. I am optimistic we will solve this case.'

Authorities hope to be in a position to charge Brueckner by the end of the summer, with a reconstruction soon due to take place in the Praia da Luz resort following a tip-off from a key witness.

Mr Wolters told the Sun on Wednesday: 'We are still building the case and at some time in the future we shall share the details with the suspect and his lawyer — but now is not the time.

'I cannot disclose the type of evidence we have been given, it is not forensic I can tell you that but it is new circumstantial evidence which all adds to the working theory that he is the man responsible.

'We have always insisted that the man we identified as the main suspect is the man we believe committed the crime and we are not looking for anyone else. I am optimistic that we will solve this case.'

Last July, German police found a hidden cellar at an allotment near Hanover where Brueckner allegedly lived in 2007.

Police discovered the basement in the foundations of a building which had been demolished later that year.

Mr Walters told the Sunday Mirror: 'Since Christian B did not have the allotment at the time of Maddie’s disappearance, he could not have buried a body there.'

German police say they believe Madeleine McCann was 'killed in Portugal' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Sagwa]

I would think it would have to be from a different source though, like an individual’s phone bill or something.

the phone companies don’t keep the data indefinitely so whatever they have in terms of new info must come from a more manual source - could be an old Nokia with the call log still on it or perhaps as mentioned above the person on the other end of the 3 May call to CB has come fwd.

The UK records every call made in the world. This started back in the 1990s at least. That’s what they used I think Including software that catches Key Terms/tags. something like. all calls are archived they just have to scour them IMO. you should read vermisstekindersuche posts. He explains things better than I.

 

[Lilly b]

Yes but those records are only specifically for the Tapas group I think.

Someone will have recorded this, perhaps @redplanet or @Dlk79. I think there is a data file of all call/sms records for the PDL masts across the three available networks for three days around 3 May.

These records were used extensively by UK LE during the early stages of OG. Using the call data they identified several new suspects.

I seem to recall that there were 72k calls over the period. It is from these data that CB number was identified.

I’m sure all this is posted in a earlier forum.

I wasn't sure if we had discussed before, and as you say that was about phones of the tapas crew, but it did say that they trawled through them for there numbers as thinking they was going to be the only relevant people, at that time.
however, the investigators went through them again years later when discovering about CB, and found that his cell number was there, not sure of the year this was found, without looking, so if they still have that data, they can look for the days after etc

 

[Lilly b]

I would think it would have to be from a different source though, like an individual’s phone bill or something.

the phone companies don’t keep the data indefinitely so whatever they have in terms of new info must come from a more manual source - could be an old Nokia with the call log still on it or perhaps as mentioned above the person on the other end of the 3 May call to CB has come fwd.

Data as calls etc mobile contracts are 6 years but metadata I think is different

 

[Lilly b]

Data as calls etc mobile contracts are 6 years but metadata I think is different

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14973862/madeleine-mccann-evidence-revealed-suspects-phone/

 

[tedtink]

Hi all! Hope you're all well!
New 'snippets' of CB's childhood from Bild today.

"Christian B. was born on December 7th, 1976 in a village near Würzburg. He was not a desired child: his birth mother lived above an inn, where she frequented petty criminals. She didn't want to keep her two sons. The youth welfare office gave Christian and his brother into the care of Brigitte and Fritz B., who already had a foster son."

Maddie McCann: So kaputt war die Kindheit des Verdächtigen Christian B.

 

[Dlk79]

Impossible... He had a few minutes to get her and leave...No way...If your theory is right, then where is the evidence in the apt. 5A? If so, PJ could have solved it that same night in 2007....The dogs were wrong, they were prepared in advance...Can you believe a barking dog? They bark all the time....

We did discuss at length here, the possibility of whether CB may have killed MM in the apartment itself as part of a botched abuse attempt. Either inadvertently or through panic, with the most likely scenario in either event being suffocation, which leaves no forensic trace (or evidence of death) without the actual body.

I'm not necessarily saying that's what I think happened, but I've yet to see or hear anything that contradicts the possibility conclusively. There were a lot of posts where this option was debated in depth but I've linked one here which summarises some of the thinking behind it (which was nothing to do with the dog alerts I should add, which I concede could be completely coincidental/false). It was mostly instigated by my observation that HCW doesn't appear to have once mentioned a "kidnap" or "abduction" in any interview or statement he's made (he only ever talks about a murder and of "possible" abuse) which I find quite odd and deliberate when you compare to all the other LE investigators over the years who mention MM's "abduction" repeatedly. But since an adbuction requires the person to be alive when they were taken, the possibility that she was already dead might make sense of why he doesn't ever mention those words if that's what they believe happened.

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

On the point of how much time CB would have had in the apartment, it's very difficult to say but if he was able to hide during one of the checks, he might well have been in there for up to an hour (we know he was quite a risk taker when it comes to his perversions). I still remain sceptical about MO's check in particular too. MO seemed put out that GM went to check around 9 even though he'd just told him that he had checked at MM's window and all was fine. He obviously thought that level of check was sufficient and therefore I think it's possible that it was the window check he did again at 9.30 rather than going into 5A via the patio door as he claimed. As for potentially jeopardising the investigation by not coming clean about it, it's clear that the Tapas group all thought the intruder had broken in through the window so he might have thought that this must happened after he checked at that same window at 9.30 anyway (assuming that's what he did). Plus it wouldn't be good for him to admit he lied. Possibly irrelevant though as by his own admission MO states he only barely entered the apartment and didn't really look into MM's room so it's very possible an intruder was already in there without him noticing.

As for leaving DNA/forensic traces, the length of time he was there makes little difference. Particularly since we know he was very careful and practiced in avoiding leaving DNA evidence at the scene. The same goes for traces/evidence of death if MM was suffocated/strangled. Almost all of the forensic DNA tests done on 5A were done on hairs found and incidentally they found no trace hairs of several people who were known to have been in that apartment for lengthy periods of time, so there's no reason to think that CB "must" have left anything behind either.

Admittedly, it's all speculation, but I'm not ruling the possibility out just yet. Let's just hope this year brings some real answers though and the breakthrough in the investigation we've been looking for.

Good to see a lot of the gang sticking with the thread!

 

[Okapi]

We did discuss at length here, the possibility of whether CB may have killed MM in the apartment itself as part of a botched abuse attempt. Either inadvertently or through panic, with the most likely scenario in either event being suffocation, which leaves no forensic trace (or evidence of death) without the actual body.

I'm not necessarily saying that's what I think happened, but I've yet to see or hear anything that contradicts the possibility conclusively. There were a lot of posts where this option was debated in depth but I've linked one here which summarises some of the thinking behind it (which was nothing to do with the dog alerts I should add, which I concede could be completely coincidental/false). It was mostly instigated by my observation that HCW doesn't appear to have once mentioned a "kidnap" or "abduction" in any interview or statement he's made (he only ever talks about a murder and of "possible" abuse) which I find quite odd and deliberate when you compare to all the other LE investigators over the years who mention MM's "abduction" repeatedly. But since an adbuction requires the person to be alive when they were taken, the possibility that she was already dead might make sense of why he doesn't ever mention those words if that's what they believe happened.

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

On the point of how much time CB would have had in the apartment, it's very difficult to say but if he was able to hide during one of the checks, he might well have been in there for up to an hour (we know he was quite a risk taker when it comes to his perversions). I still remain sceptical about MO's check in particular too. MO seemed put out that GM went to check around 9 even though he'd just told him that he had checked at MM's window and all was fine. He obviously thought that level of check was sufficient and therefore I think it's possible that it was the window check he did again at 9.30 rather than going into 5A via the patio door as he claimed. As for potentially jeopardising the investigation by not coming clean about it, it's clear that the Tapas group all thought the intruder had broken in through the window so he might have thought that this must happened after he checked at that same window at 9.30 anyway (assuming that's what he did). Plus it wouldn't be good for him to admit he lied. Possibly irrelevant though as by his own admission MO states he only barely entered the apartment and didn't really look into MM's room so it's very possible an intruder was already in there without him noticing.

As for leaving DNA/forensic traces, the length of time he was there makes little difference. Particularly since we know he was very careful and practiced in avoiding leaving DNA evidence at the scene. The same goes for traces/evidence of death if MM was suffocated/strangled. Almost all of the forensic DNA tests done on 5A were done on hairs found and incidentally they found no trace hairs of several people who were known to have been in that apartment for lengthy periods of time, so there's no reason to think that CB "must" have left anything behind either.

Admittedly, it's all speculation, but I'm not ruling the possibility out just yet. Let's just hope this year brings some real answers though and the breakthrough in the investigation we've been looking for.

Good to see a lot of the gang sticking with the thread!

To the bitter end..