Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #3

[rebel123]

That's why I thought this guy was relevant, he is still involved in courts in Germany.

''Dr Fischer, a former federal German judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.....
.....It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."''

German prosecutor in Madeleine McCann case 'has seen evidence she is dead'

''Thomas Fischer, born in 1953, is the presiding judge of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe. His annual commentary on the Penal Code, “Beck’s Short Commentaries,” is considered the Bible of German Criminal Law. He is a honorary professor at the University of Würzburg lecturing criminal law, criminal trial law and the sociology of law.''

Thomas Fischer - European Press Prize.

In German law there is a 'pre trial investigative phase'. This ends when you have enough to charge someone. To charge someone the prosecutor has to believe there is a reasonable chance the person would be convicted.
As CB has not been charged they obviously don't have any evidence at the moment that could convict him.

Criminal investigations is underway. The German Prosecutor is using the media to seek further information from the public. The media are also putting
out a commentary from this person, it's not great, it might put off members of the public who want to help.

 

[Dlk79]

I found another photo from the scene. I mistook the wardrobe door against the cot for the door of the room. This is the door into the room but it actually shows even less room to hide IMO as it's up against the narrow wardrobe. The police plan is also more accurate in scale than many of the media's renditions.

Still not sure his height comes into it though, he's pretty slim. Im not as slim as him and I could easily stand between a wall and a half open door.

 

[worldwatcher]

“Dutch police are investigating a possible connection between the German man suspected in the high-profile kidnapping and possible murder of British toddler Maddie McCann in Portugal in 2007, and the disappearance of 7-year-old Jaïr Soares on a Zuid-Holland beach in 1995. A police cold case team in The Hague are in liaison with police in Germany, according to the newspaper De Telegraaf.

"We will soon be talking to our German colleagues. It is not yet clear how this will take place and when that will be," a spokesperson explained.

Jaïr Soares, the Rotterdam boy whose disappearance from a beach near the Zuid-Holland town of Monster caused a national stir, has been missing since August 1995. According to reports, he was last seen after having finished eating his french fries before the rest of his family, and venturing out onto the beach to play alone.”

Maddie McCann suspect investigated in Rotterdam boy's 1995 disappearance

 

[Lincoln34]

A criminal investigations is underway. The German Prosecutor is using the media to seek further information from the public. The media are also putting
out a commentary from this person, it's not great, it might put off members of the public who want to help.

Seems from a 2019 case that German prosecutors not entirely independent - ECJ deems German prosecutors too political to issue European arrest warrants | DW | 27.05.2019

 

[Ardoch]

The re-registering of the car keeps going round in my head maybe because I don't drive - I don't know the defination of 'owner' or 'keeper' relating to a car registration for instance.
What possibilities could CB have had to do this?

If he used the Jaguar (both vehicles are conspicious but the Jag less so by colour?) and if the police were to do an immediate search on it in the days following M's disappearence; would it only be the current owner that flagged up - on the first search, or would all the previous owners show?

If we're looking at the scenario that CB planned this and the Jag was used - why not registar it sooner rather than the next day?
This also ties up with what his movements were in the immediate days that followed M's disappearance.
If he left Praia Da Luz and used the campervan, he knew that the Jag would be left behind after he left. IMO

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Still not sure his height comes into it though, he's pretty slim. Im not as slim as him and I could easily stand between a wall and a half open door.

It isn't just up against a wall. There's the wall and the wardrobe making a right angle behind the door so even less space. I mentioned his height because generally tall people have larger frames. I don't think there's room for a man at all to hide there but we'll just agree to differ I suppose! Interestingly enough at the time, many media reports said the abductor must have been hiding 'feet away'. He would have been literally a couple of inches away.

 

[Miya]

I don't think we're privy to the whole conversation but it could mean an animal.
Thinking about the report of the animal bones being found with a USB stick which according to the DM and Bild is being tested at the moment.
Christian Brueckner is linked to FOURTH unsolved case | Daily Mail Online

No, the conversation definitely was about a child. Including how he would film every detail of her torture.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

A criminal investigations is underway. The German Prosecutor is using the media to seek further information from the public. The media are also putting
out a commentary from this person, it's not great, it might put off members of the public who want to help.

Yes I get what's happening but my point is people are insisting they have hard evidence on this guy - They don't or they would have charged him.
I don't think they have a video of a killing either as Scotland Yard and Portugal are still saying it's a missing person inquiry. The forces share information so they would have seen the video too and declared it murder also.

 

[Ardoch]

I'm watching the Netflix docu - and screaming at it in hindsight
I think it was Jim Gamble that mentioned that busy beaches are well known lurking areas for paedophiles for all the obvious reasons.

 

[Ardoch]

No, the conversation definitely was about a child. Including how he would film every detail of her torture.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

 

[Bit of hope]

It’s no wonder so many members of the public have been “in denial“ about this crime for so long (to put it politely). Absolutely harrowing to face the reality that people like this live among us.

I always thought that if video evidence existed and was being shared on the dark web for instance, or within certain networks, that due to the notoriety of this case, word would get out. I mean I guess that is what looks to have happened eventually. But for so long I thought no way, someone would talk if they saw her. Imagine knowing the answer to one of the biggest mysteries of our generation and not saying a word.

I feel so incredibly naive. Of course, these people’s priority is to protect themselves and to not jeopardise their access to this type of content. I imagine it’s like an addiction.

I think a lot of ordinary people convince themselves that sex crimes against children is something that happens only to street kids in South East Asia, wouldn’t happen so close to home etc. Wouldn’t happen to a white middle class family. I should think even those who remain adamant on victim blaming in this case will have had their eyes opened to the reality of sex crime in Western Europe by now.

What a very good post. Thank you! It's a plaque amongst us (all) for far too long.

 

[Sorryaboutthat123]

Anyone know if this is making news in Portugal? Not a huge amount of use asking the UK and Germany about where he lived when in Portugal

 

[Ardoch]

The family and the Met have known of this lead for a while and the article Clarence Mitchell wrote about it was quite telling, they all believe this is the guilty party.

I'd say the German prosecutors are in no doubt that they have the right man but they don't have quite enough to make a bulletproof case. They are now employing this very unusual tactic of leaking some parts of their evidence to the public in the hope that people will come forward to strengthen the case.

Imagine being certain you had the right man but had to let him go. It's also why they haven't questioned him yet I think, as they would then have to make him privy to the evidence. He would then know where it came from and potentially how to stop it leaking further and cover his tracks.

I keep being reminded of the Sydney Cooke case back in the 80's/90's. The police were anxious to re-arrest him as soon as he was freed from a sentence. They reinvestigated past crimes and also went on TV asking for victims to come forward.

 

[Bit of hope]

I don't think we're privy to the whole conversation but it could mean an animal.
Thinking about the report of the animal bones being found with a USB stick which according to the DM and Bild is being tested at the moment.
Christian Brueckner is linked to FOURTH unsolved case | Daily Mail Online

I translated the whole conversation, word for word, upthread, and IMO it was not about an animal. Sorry for upsetting people with it, but it's out there...(and I find it disgusting, don't get me wrong)

 

[Miya]

I know I probably sound somewhat cold when I post about things like filming the torture, the reason why I am and have to be when I follow cases - I have to emotionally distance myself or I couldn't even follow them or post in the threads. There are times every time though after getting into the case or the discussion very deeply for a couple of days where the wall crumbles down and I can't keep cool anymore. And it either shows in my posts or I have to stop posting and maybe even reading the discussion for a couple of hours or days.

Just mentioning again what I mentioned in my previous post now makes me really angry and upset and I hope they get him. Even if he didn't do anything to Maddie, he did so many horrible things that he was convicted for that I hope they find more and can keep him locked up forever. He is a very dangerous animal.

 

[Ardoch]

I translated the whole conversation, word for word, upthread, and IMO it was not about an animal. Sorry for upsetting people with it, but it's out there...(and I find it disgusting, don't get me wrong)

Thank you for that.

 

[rebel123]

Seems from a 2019 case that German prosecutors not entirely independent - ECJ deems German prosecutors too political to issue European arrest warrants | DW | 27.05.2019

This is a 'high profile' case, as you can see the media is all over this, there will be no shirking of their responsibilities as they may of messed up previously.

 

[Bit of hope]

I know I probably sound somewhat cold when I post about things like filming the torture, the reason why I am and have to be when I follow cases - I have to emotionally distance myself or I couldn't even follow them or post in the threads. There are times every time though after getting into the case or the discussion very deeply for a couple of days where the wall crumbles down and I can't keep cool anymore. And it either shows in my posts or I have to stop posting and maybe even reading the discussion for a couple of hours or days.

Just mentioning again what I mentioned in my previous post now makes me really angry and upset and I hope they get him. Even if he didn't do anything to Maddie, he did so many horrible things that he was convicted for that I hope they find more and can keep him locked up forever. He is a very dangerous animal.

Very recognizable. Thank you for explaining. Time and time again I want to stay out of the speculation, stick to the facts, stay out of the emotional impact, just give good information. Like you I'm not cold at all, the opposite is true.

 

[Bit of hope]

This might land as a double post...sigh...yup it did....deleted by me.

 

[Olivia_Seafish]

I don't think police have a video, or at least there doesn't need to be any video for them to be proceeding as they are.

I think it's just a case of the German authorities taking Breuckner at his word (via the snitch), that he is responsible for MM's death. The circumstantial evidence, plus the fact that he was able to back up his bragging about the other case with video evidence, gives serious weight to his claims about MM.

This also sits well with the noises coming from the British/McCann camp, who seem less enthused than the German's at this point.