Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #35

[Mex]

For the murder of Madeleine ? The arrests for the 5 indictments of sexual offences were dropped for now until such time as jurisdiction is settled.

It is manners to wait in turn for that
(a) conclude the investigation
(b) lay charges or not as the case may be

If the depth of discussion on he process of ratifying which jurisdiction will be used for the five outstanding charges is anything to go by, the whole procedure of trial could be lengthy.
Which allows for further investigation and evidence gathering in the MM case to take place.

Bit of a double edged sword for all involved. But it is what it is.

 

[C.greek]

I've always had 2 thoughts on this.

First, Braunschweig office was always likely to be unprepared for such global media attention. Especially german media reps are not experienced with english tabloid media. IMO they've got better at it, and more careful.

Second, there is bound to come internal, political pressure about Braunschweig pursuing such a high profile, expensive, yet out of jurisdiction case. They must have had something really solid to get the OK from the bosses, but i do wonder how long it will be funded if we head into a 4th year

BIB, Imo it is doubtful that HCW would state:

"Die hier in Braunschweig geführten Ermittlungen gegen den 46-jährigen Tatverdächtigen werden voraussichtlich noch längere Zeit andauern." (tr. "the investigations are expected to continue for a long time")

if there was a funding issue in the horizon.

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal abgeschlossen | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de

 

[C.greek]

Of course they're in a rush. Their superiors must be thinking if six years hasn't been enough....

They set themselves up on June 4 2020, declaring they knew for certain what happened to Madeleine. Operation Grange must have looked incredulously at what was going on in Braunschweig.

in June 2020, they asked for information from the public about CB. They did not say they were ready to charge him then. Don't forget we had the 2-year pandemic in the meantime, so that definitely set the investigation off. The whole world stopped for 2 years! Regardless, they managed to charge him for 5 more crimes, so the investigation definitely carried on.

There is no reason to think they are in any rush, there is no evidence for that. Quite the opposite seems to be the case judging from today's press release, as quoted below:

"Die hier in Braunschweig geführten Ermittlungen gegen den 46-jährigen Tatverdächtigen werden voraussichtlich noch längere Zeit andauern." (tr. "the investigations are expected to continue for a long time")

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal abgeschlossen | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

jmo

 

[C.greek]

The Mail have it as a number of items, how it quickly expands.

"einige Gegenstände" is translated as "a number of items", "some items", "several items", etc...

 

[VanGoth]

Of course they're in a rush. Their superiors must be thinking if six years hasn't been enough....

They set themselves up on June 4 2020, declaring they knew for certain what happened to Madeleine. Operation Grange must have looked incredulously at what was going on in Braunschweig.

There is no rush. When the latest charges against CB came in last October, HCW also made a comment in regards of the MM case.

He stated that they are not going to prolongue the process of charging CB but they will continue to investigate each and every hint until they don't have any hints anymore. That statement should be clear enough.

One additional thing: I'm from Germany and can provide translations when needed. Feel free to ask when there are questions in that regard.

 

[Lyall0814]

Welcome to the forum, VG.

(I'll shut up, and await developments)

 

[onemoremiletogo]

BIB, Imo it is doubtful that HCW would state:

"Die hier in Braunschweig geführten Ermittlungen gegen den 46-jährigen Tatverdächtigen werden voraussichtlich noch längere Zeit andauern." (tr. "the investigations are expected to continue for a long time")

if there was a funding issue in the horizon.

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal abgeschlossen | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de

to continue for a long time...
After all this time, maybe hard to get new info on the target area? If no light, will they go with more "blind" searches? Where?
If MM's remains are no longer possible to be found, will they search for any other buried stuff? What could link him to 5a?!
Anyway, another long way on the horizon...

 

[Mex]

Of course they're in a rush. Their superiors must be thinking if six years hasn't been enough....

They set themselves up on June 4 2020, declaring they knew for certain what happened to Madeleine. Operation Grange must have looked incredulously at what was going on in Braunschweig.

My Opinion
Operation grange knew precisely what was going on in Braunschweig circa 2020. SY and BKA had been working on it hand in glove since at least 2017. And weren't they running a tight ship with not a word out of place of what they were doing and who was under investigation.

There had to come a time when the Portuguese had to be brought into the loop. By the spring of 2019 someone from the Portuguese side of the investigation appraised GA chapter and verse of what was going on in the investigation.
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The only incredulity there may have been was the German expectation that they were dealing with fellow professionals. Well, they know now.
As I say ~ my opinion

 

[Pixie Child]

I know about CB collecting L from Romanians/Ukrainians; & Russian brothers selling boats but this confirmation is new to me.

JC says that BKA has the names of 2 men who directed CB and who are members of an Eastern European organised crime gang.

This may mean they have their comms.

5 mins in to Episode 8: EP08 - Madeleine McCann: The Chief Suspect - Murdered Missing Unsolved

 

[Mex]

BIB, Imo it is doubtful that HCW would state:

"Die hier in Braunschweig geführten Ermittlungen gegen den 46-jährigen Tatverdächtigen werden voraussichtlich noch längere Zeit andauern." (tr. "the investigations are expected to continue for a long time")

if there was a funding issue in the horizon.

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal abgeschlossen | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de

As a Briton I am acutely embarrassed by the fact that Scotland Yard were compelled to bid for the money at regular intervals to finance the active search for a missing British child.

 

[C.greek]

to continue for a long time...
After all this time, maybe hard to get new info on the target area? If no light, will they go with more "blind" searches? Where?
If MM's remains are no longer possible to be found, will they search for any other buried stuff? What could link him to 5a?!
Anyway, another long way on the horizon...

It appears unfortunately that this stash of 8000 pics from the box factory is still providing Intel and hints... this is difficult stuff to go through. I had a friend who was working in the uk police where they were going through videos and pics of abuse and she was stopping many times during the investigation for prolongued leaves and therapy... very very difficult material to go through...
Jmo

 

[Lyall0814]

As a Briton I am acutely embarrassed by the fact that Scotland Yard were compelled to bid for the money at regular intervals to finance the active search for a missing British child.

That's because we've had four PMs since Op Grange was created by the one in office in 2011. Can't really have it both ways. It's existed since the start because of the will of the government.

(Imo It would make a lot of sense if we discover one day that the Braunschweig prosecutors are also operating on the instructions of their government. But Van Goth's probably going to say I'm talking rubbish - again!)

 

[SuperdadV8]

to continue for a long time...
After all this time, maybe hard to get new info on the target area? If no light, will they go with more "blind" searches? Where?
If MM's remains are no longer possible to be found, will they search for any other buried stuff? What could link him to 5a?!
Anyway, another long way on the horizon...

Not a long time, but "for an even longer period".

It means nothing more, than it still needs some more time. Not that it will last forever.

 

[RichardKimble]

Not a long time, but "for an even longer period".

It means nothing more, than it still needs some more time. Not that it will last forever.

An even longer period than the 6 yrs already investigated by the BKA or the three as prime suspect.?

 

[C.greek]

An even longer period than the 6 yrs already investigated by the BKA or the three as prime suspect.?

yes, why? are you in a rush?

you have to admit it's a very complicated case...

 

[mrjitty]

As a Briton I am acutely embarrassed by the fact that Scotland Yard were compelled to bid for the money at regular intervals to finance the active search for a missing British child.

IMO that was actually an advantage

If it was just part of the overall Met budget Grange likely would have got far less resource.

 

[RichardKimble]

That's because we've had four PMs since Op Grange was created by the one in office in 2011. Can't really have it both ways. It's existed since the start because of the will of the government.

(Imo It would make a lot of sense if we discover one day that the Braunschweig prosecutors are also operating on the instructions of their government. But Van Goth's probably going to say I'm talking rubbish - again!)

How many home Secretarys though.

 

[Lyall0814]

yes, why? are you in a rush?

you have to admit it's a very complicated case...

Not complicated at all according to Mr Wolters, who expressed certainty in knowing what happened to Madeleine. After what he said - more than once - of course people are going to be wondering "How can he be certain but not be in a position to bring the accused to trial?". It's perfectly natural.

 

[Lyall0814]

How many home Secretarys though.

I prefer to not think about them

 

[C.greek]

Not complicated at all according to Mr Wolters, who expressed certainty in knowing what happened to Madeleine. After what he said - more than once - of course people are going to be wondering "How can he be certain but not be in a position to bring the accused to trial?". It's perfectly natural.

finding the evidence BARD and taking it to court is difficult. he has said many times he will not charge before having evidence BARD... and this is the reasonable thing to do.