Malaysia airlines 370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #25

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gregjrichards said:
"A fleet of 66 satellites carrying airplane-tracking technology could soon keep tabs on the position, speed, and altitude of aircraft all around the world.

Iridium launched the first ten satellites in January, and so far, two have been switched on and begun to send back data.

It comes three years after the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and experts say the new system could ensure that flights no longer go unaccounted for.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4354438/The-satellite-avoid-MH370.html#ixzz4cZOnnJIG

I'm glad to see progress is being made to avoid another tragedy like this one of not knowing where a plane has crashed.
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Thanks so much for catching the articles. Could have sworn I replied when you posted.

watcher9 said:
This tracking system is something that is long overdue. Not many planes are lost in flight or have crashed but when they are and time is of the essence, the gathered info could prove to be invaluable in finding the plane.

Looking at the map in the article, it's hard to imagine a system being able to track all of the planes at one time. I imagine each transponder would have a separate signal to identify it and computers can handle all the info being picked up. Does this info just remained stored until an emergency arises? I just am not sure what happens in case of an emergency?
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I agree, not many planes are lost but the real time tracking can help in different ways, crashes, hijackings and if the current tracking systems get shut down like with MH370, this should give updates on where a plane is. It depends on whether it will be able to be disabled or not.

gregjrichards said:
It's interesting for sure I remember when this was first posted. The main fuselage of the plane must be somewhere in the ocean but it looks a bit too intact here. I'd imagine the plane most likely broke up when it hit the ocean or in the sky if something catastrophic happened (unlikely as no evidence of a mid air explosion recorded by satellites etc.)
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Thanks for posting the plane part photo.

We know the plane broke in the right cabin area which is near the right wing because they found an interior panel. They also found the right wing to body fairing so I wonder if it ripped apart on impact. I could have sworn a wing was found but according to your photo, it's parts that go on the right wing such as the right engine fan cowling, right wing trailing edge panel and the right flaperon. Also on the right side, the photo also says seat back trim (June 2016 Madagascar) right outboard flap, horizontal stabilizer panel and vertical stabilizer panel which to me suggests the right side may have impacted 1st.

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Maybe a treasure hunt would work?

Professor Luke Connelly from the University of Queensland said a reward “upwards of $100 million” would be needed to act as an incentive for large companies to invest in a search.
He wrote in Aviation Week that one option for funding such a large sum would be getting the reward underwritten by an insurance company — to be paid out in the event the aircraft or black boxes were found.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...h/news-story/8e067d6508a7ed49d354d619186a872c
 
I know we've discussed the similarities between this incident and the Air France incident before, but have we discussed the possibility of a stall happening to MH370? That's what happened to Air France and it seems likely that that's what happened to this plane. Unless the FDR and CVR are recovered, we'll never know :(
 
ilovepierre said:
I know we've discussed the similarities between this incident and the Air France incident before, but have we discussed the possibility of a stall happening to MH370? That's what happened to Air France and it seems likely that that's what happened to this plane. Unless the FDR and CVR are recovered, we'll never know :(
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If it had been a stall, would the plane have continued to make turns and get to the Bay of Bengal and then on to the Indian Ocean?

Here's a minute to minute write up on the Air France crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
 
watcher9 said:
If it had been a stall, would the plane have continued to make turns and get to the Bay of Bengal and then on to the Indian Ocean?

Here's a minute to minute write up on the Air France crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
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I don't think it stalled. If it did; the plane wouldn't be far from where it took off; like the 1st search area. I wish they'd find it to recover the black box so that we know what did happen.

I think they were hijacked when the plane was leaving Malaysia's air space. I think that's why the plane flew up. I don't know what to think of the tracking going off; whether it was turned off because of the hijacking or if it was electrical failure. I do think there was a fire at some point.
 
watcher9 said:
If it had been a stall, would the plane have continued to make turns and get to the Bay of Bengal and then on to the Indian Ocean?

Here's a minute to minute write up on the Air France crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
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It could have stalled after it was hijacked (if indeed it was hijacked).
The hijacker(s) could have put the plane into a stall either on purpose or by accident.

Hijacking isn't my top theory anyways.
I've always thought the plane flew on autopilot until it crashed, but from what I know about autopilot (from watching every season of Mayday), the plane would sound alarms if it went off course. I don't think autopilot can be reprogrammed once a flight is in progress. Autopilot can be turned off, though. That can only be done by the pilot or co-pilot. Unless all the systems get turned off once ACARS and the other systems are disabled.

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Roselvr said:
I don't think it stalled. If it did; the plane wouldn't be far from where it took off; like the 1st search area. I wish they'd find it to recover the black box so that we know what did happen.

I think they were hijacked when the plane was leaving Malaysia's air space. I think that's why the plane flew up. I don't know what to think of the tracking going off; whether it was turned off because of the hijacking or if it was electrical failure. I do think there was a fire at some point.
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Stalls can happen at any point during a flight. They're less likely to occur once the plane hits cruising altitude, but it can happen. Remember when we discussed the plane jumping up to 40 000 feet? That could have put the plane into a stall, but then the plane would have crashed into the ocean at that point and it would have been found during the initial searches. I believe that happened shortly before the plane disappeared off radar.

Yes, having those black boxes would be a huge help! Until then, we're stuck here speculating :/

I'm still stuck on the Maldives sighting ;)
 
ilovepierre said:
Stalls can happen at any point during a flight. They're less likely to occur once the plane hits cruising altitude, but it can happen. Remember when we discussed the plane jumping up to 40 000 feet? That could have put the plane into a stall, but then the plane would have crashed into the ocean at that point and it would have been found during the initial searches. I believe that happened shortly before the plane disappeared off radar.

Yes, having those black boxes would be a huge help! Until then, we're stuck here speculating :/

I'm still stuck on the Maldives sighting ;)
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Going up that high could have also made everyone unconscious or dead.
Why would a pilot fly a plane up that high? One theory was to put out a fire. Another was to knock everyone else out while whoever flying the plane at that time donned an oxygen mask.

I also believe in the Maldives sightings. Is it possible that the plane they saw was not MH370? The Maldives have eleven airports, some of which are international. They presumably would have numerous planes flying in the area. Maybe the plane they saw was headed to one of the airports? Since they are spread out on the different islands, how far out would radar at these locations reach? Wouldn't it stand to reason that one of the radars could have picked up a MH370 sighting if it came close? Did anyone ever check the records at these airports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_Maldives
 
watcher9 said:
Going up that high could have also made everyone unconscious or dead.
Why would a pilot fly a plane up that high? One theory was to put out a fire. Another was to knock everyone else out while whoever flying the plane at that time donned an oxygen mask.

I also believe in the Maldives sightings. Is it possible that the plane they saw was not MH370? The Maldives have eleven airports, some of which are international. They presumably would have numerous planes flying in the area. Maybe the plane they saw was headed to one of the airports? Since they are spread out on the different islands, how far out would radar at these locations reach? Wouldn't it stand to reason that one of the radars could have picked up a MH370 sighting if it came close? Did anyone ever check the records at these airports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_Maldives
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I don't necessarily believe the plane stalled either. I was just putting it out as a possible scenario :)

MH370 wouldn't have been picked up on any radar, since its transponders had been turned off. I don't believe records were checked at the Maldives airports. It's probably too late now though :(
 
ilovepierre said:
I don't necessarily believe the plane stalled either. I was just putting it out as a possible scenario :)

MH370 wouldn't have been picked up on any radar, since its transponders had been turned off. I don't believe records were checked at the Maldives airports. It's probably too late now though :(
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Don't know how accurate this is but it makes a point.

Instead, radar works by bouncing radio waves off objects. It doesn’t need a transponder signal. The transponder simply makes it easier for ATC radar equipment to find targets and provides additional information to ATC.
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https://www.aneclecticmind.com/2012/05/20/transponders-for-dummies/
 
"We think we know quite precisely where the plane is," Dr David Griffin from the CSIRO told a national marine conference in Darwin.

He said while the physical search was suspended in January this year, the work had continued in Australian laboratories, modelling ocean drift.

That's a scientific method that involves looking at what the ocean currents were doing on the day of the crash, and matching it with where debris has and hasn't landed, such as the piece of wing, called the flaperon, which landed on Reunion Island off the eastern coast of Africa.

The observation that no debris has washed up on the West Australian coast is also an important clue.

It means the ocean current must have been flowing in a particular direction — and not towards Australia.

"There's a strong current crossing across the seventh arc at [latitude] 35 degrees south, so we think the plane crashed into that current going to the north-west," Dr Griffin said.

"That explains why debris didn't arrive in Australia."

The scientists used satellite technology to precisely calculate the height of the sea level, down to the centimetre, which is a key to figuring out where the ocean was flowing on March 8, 2014.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...e-seventh-arc/ar-BBDLPTR?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=iehp
 
"In the greatest aviation mystery of recent times, Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines flight 370 vanished after departing Kuala Lumpur International Airport on March 8, 2014.

The Boeing 777-200ER was carrying 227 passengers, including six Australians, and 12 crew. It last made contact with air traffic control while it was flying over the South China Sea, less than an hour after takeoff, and it disappeared from radar just minutes later.

A multinational investigation has failed to find the missing plane. In January this year, search crews wrapped up their deep-sea sweep of 120,000 square kilometres off the west coast of Australia, and the search for MH370 — the most expansive and expensive search in aviation history — was officially called off.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...s/news-story/3e87fe9d32c9b3d3e7bdac54da86332d
 
"A tiny island-country east of Africa has reported it has discovered two new pieces of debris from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Seychelles Civil Aviation Authority (SCAA) said scientists researching birds and turtles had found the debris washed up on Farqhar, one of the islands that make up the tropical Indian Ocean nation.

'The direction of flow of the sea currents make it likely that the (debris) came from the general direction where other parts (of MH370) have been found in Indian Ocean countries,' a senior SCAA official who asked not to be named said.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-MH370-debris-Seychelles.html#ixzz4mqMWFNTh
 
gregjrichards said:
"A tiny island-country east of Africa has reported it has discovered two new pieces of debris from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Seychelles Civil Aviation Authority (SCAA) said scientists researching birds and turtles had found the debris washed up on Farqhar, one of the islands that make up the tropical Indian Ocean nation.

'The direction of flow of the sea currents make it likely that the (debris) came from the general direction where other parts (of MH370) have been found in Indian Ocean countries,' a senior SCAA official who asked not to be named said.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-MH370-debris-Seychelles.html#ixzz4mqMWFNTh
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Investigative team find that the two new pieces of debris found in the Seychelles were not from MH370.

pieces of debris were not from a Boeing 777 or Rolls Royce engine.
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Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nati...-not-from-mh370-says-dca/#S1C0EmgHjfDhSzmm.99

Also,
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1287263/seychelles-debris-not-from-mh370
 
A Houston company, Ocean Infinity, is apparently in negotiations for a contract. They would employ high-tech deep-sea drones fitted with sonar equipment in the search.

A U.S. seabed exploration company has offered its services for a proposed new hunt for a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that has been missing for more than three years.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...itched-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-jet.html
 
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