Malaysia airlines MH370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #26

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but the people who make sure planes don't collide or whatever (air traffic control or whatever?) - would they be able to access a computerized list which was changed after take-off, immediately after it was changed?
My very strong impression is that the plane's computer does not inform air traffic control that a new destination had been entered. Rather, the only way to note such a change might to examine the flight computer of the plane directly.

As a side note, new destinations between electronic navigation beacons (course alterations) can be entered into a plane's auto pilot after take off due to weather, congestion, a delay, a desire to save fuel after taking into consideration winds etc.

Though these post take off flight changes are usually minor, there is nothing alarming about a crew inputting a new course variation after take off. Thus, I doubt that air traffic control is automatically informed.
 
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"Australian entrepreneur Dick Smith is campaigning for an international levy on flight tickets to fund a renewed search for missing flight MH370."


JMO
I would like to see any funding like that go towards installing a fool proof GPS location monitoring system of every aircraft. Something that can never be manually overridden so that no pilot or other person in the plane can shut off. It should have a battery backup that would kick in if normal power to the unit is disrupted.

In this day and age with GPS, there is no excuse that every plane cannot be monitored for its GPS location while its in the air.
Especially for any flights that go over ocean seas or mountainous terrain.

The priority would be to install on planes that have those routes first and then eventually all domestic flights and planes could have the new GPS location system.

There have been too many mysterious plane disappearances and too much money is spent trying to find them when a simple system can be installed on every plane that is fool proof.

Heck I have a portable GPS location navigator and if I carried it onto an airplane, it would give our exact GPS position. All they need is a GPS locator that can constantly transmit the GPS coordinates to a ground base location using satellites.

Ive read all the reasons why airline companies do not have a fool proof GPS location system and I dont agree with their reasons. Cost is the main reason always brought up but just look at the cost of just this one incident.
Plus all the families left wondering to this day.
 
JMO
I would like to see any funding like that go towards installing a fool proof GPS location monitoring system of every aircraft. Something that can never be manually overridden so that no pilot or other person in the plane can shut off.

Such a device was considered for cargo and commercial fishing ships. in areas of high piracy. The devise, however, was rejected by governments and shipping companies for fear that pirates would refuse to believe that they devise could not be turned off.

It was though that pirates would then go on a murder rampage attempting to force the crew to turn it off. The same rationale might have been used with passenger aircraft due to hijackers.

As a side note, Boeing 777s do have a back up partial transponder system that would have allowed the route flown by MH370 to be recreated with pretty good accuracy. But.... somebody disabled the back up system by pulling a fuse in a maintenance panel in the rear of the plane.

The back up system itself is pretty obscure and rarely discussed. A certain number of Boeing 777 pilots evidently are /were not even aware that it exists because it is not taught as a general maintenance topic and is not a flight system.

But..... the Captain of MH370 was said to have a strange interest in downloading and reading in depth maintenance manuals normally only used by technicians. He also had an interest in sophisticated hobby flight simulators which feature realistic auto pilot course adjustments.
 
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https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/washed-up-debris-on-australian-beach-could-belong-to-missing-mh370/

Parts from an aircraft have washed up on a remote Australian beach, raising hopes the debris could be from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Mike Elcoate, a fisherman who spotted the wreckage Monday near Cape Tribulation in Far North Queensland, said he initially thought the parts came from a boat’s rudder or possibly a plane’s trim tab, the Mirror reported.

But he then reportedly discovered a wing-link structure nearby and posted his findings online in an aircraft maintenance engineering Facebook group.

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My first thought was could it be possible? And then, how does the currents flow along this northeastern Australia beach? Further down in your linked article, it sort of disproves it. I guess time will tell after more investigation.
Looking at the currents, is it possible that debris from the plane could have circled the South Indian Ocean and then get caught up in the lower current going east into the Atlantic circle?

Also from your link -

Despite the tantalizing discovery on the beach this week, aviation researcher Mick Gilbert told The Australian that “the part shows nowhere near enough weathering, has relatively sparse barnacle growth and is almost certainly the wrong color.”
He added: “If it is indeed an aircraft component it is more likely to be a piece of Air Niugini flight 73 that landed short of the runway at Chuuk International airport back in September 2018.”

Map showing currents.
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ETA Forgot to add link to map.
ocean currents - بحث Google


https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/washed-up-debris-on-australian-beach-could-belong-to-missing-mh370/

Parts from an aircraft have washed up on a remote Australian beach, raising hopes the debris could be from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Mike Elcoate, a fisherman who spotted the wreckage Monday near Cape Tribulation in Far North Queensland, said he initially thought the parts came from a boat’s rudder or possibly a plane’s trim tab, the Mirror reported.

But he then reportedly discovered a wing-link structure nearby and posted his findings online in an aircraft maintenance engineering Facebook group.

mh370-71.jpg
 
MH370 debris washes up on South African beach 7 years after doomed jet vanished

A three-ft piece of wreckage came ashore at the start of February near Port Elizabeth, South Africa, it's claimed.

The self-styled investigator who found it believe's it's from an aircraft, most likely a Malaysian 777.

Wreck hunter Blaine Gibson believes it may be part of a spoiler wing panel used to reduce lift.

It's reportedly being held by the South African Civil Aviation Authority with Malaysian authorities notified 10 days ago.
 
MH370 debris washes up on South African beach 7 years after doomed jet vanished

A three-ft piece of wreckage came ashore at the start of February near Port Elizabeth, South Africa, it's claimed.

The self-styled investigator who found it believe's it's from an aircraft, most likely a Malaysian 777.

Wreck hunter Blaine Gibson believes it may be part of a spoiler wing panel used to reduce lift.

It's reportedly being held by the South African Civil Aviation Authority with Malaysian authorities notified 10 days ago.

Thanks for posting this.
We had another very small piece wash up on the South Africa coast a few years back. A three foot section is a pretty good piece. It should be easily identified.
Hopefully, if it is identified as being from MH370, it may be a good sign of more pieces of the plane finally breaking loose and washing ashore. Maybe then we can get some answers.
 
A Le Monde investigative journalist, Florence de Changy, just released a book on MH370. This is not an endorsement as I have not read the book. Just thought it interesting she touches on some of the points discussed here.

MH370 investigator pinpoints 'crucial' crash signal: ‘All we need for location'

MH370 revelation: Malaysia Airlines plane could have been shot down – new book claims

There is also a multipart audio series about MH370 including one part interviewing de Changy here:
A Curator Special: The Impossible Case of MH370, The Curator 486 - Radio
 
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Relatives ask for Malaysia MH370 search to continue
•Mar 12, 2021
MH370: Seven years on still no closure | New Straits Times
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Tomorrow marks the seventh year Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 vanished without a trace leaving many questions on what actually happened to the ill-fated plane unanswered and passengers’ family members in limbo. - NSTP file pic
''IPOH: Tomorrow marks the seventh year Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 vanished without a trace leaving many questions on what actually happened to the ill-fated plane unanswered and passengers' family members in limbo.

Some family members and next of kin of passengers on board the plane are still hoping for a miracle to happen while there are also those who choose to leave everything in God's hands besides praying that the authorities will eventually unravel one of aviation history's greatest mysteries.''
 
This mystery and the Barry & Honey Sherman mystery are two subjects I look for new information on a regular just about a daily basis. I have recently started posting on the B&H forum and it is really all questions.

about the same here mostly questions.

After 7 years and so much shared information, as well as the same amount of details suppressed, this case makes it very difficult to not be pulled into a conspiracy theory or two.

A little background so my post may make sense?

I really try to keep an open mind and live my life with a commonsense and logical attitude. First, try to put me in another person(s) situation, and think about what they must be emotionally going through at that time (to be able to carry out a murderous plan and or deal with a non-practiced catastrophic situation).

I am what you would consider an airline brat. My father was a 747 simulator specialist for 32 years with Air Canada. My Uncle was a pilot, my uncle's brother worked with my Dad and as a young adult, I was a flight attendant. We were also all part of the Air Cadets. My Nephew and cousin both have private pilot licenses so we are true love and understanding of flight extended family.

My Dad had previous experience with L1011 and 727 models, but he was the specialist for the 747, knew the aircraft and its capabilities better than Boeing. A simulator specialist will become an expert on the minimum and maximum capabilities of a specific model aircraft in flight and on the ground. They are computer programmers that must write computer programs to make the simulator fly, act, react exactly like a real aircraft.

In some cases, they also take flight data recorder information from flight incidents and recreate the situation to teach pilots how to manage this situation. I remember when he was writing the wind shear program after a crash in Dallas and he wrote the taxiing program for the new Toronto Terminal too. So basically anything a pilot needs to do and be trained on a Simulator specialist needs to program it.

My weekends going to work with Dad would be to fly to California and back and test out some of the programs he was creating. Really cool.

To be clear I am not setting up any conspiracy suggestions here, these are just odd reports, some that happened in the early days and details being shared that still have not resulted in any follow-up details or clarifications. This can mean that they are just "things that happened" and must be considered a coincidence or misleading, misdiagnosed or misevaluated information.

1. 20 computer programmers who specialize in radar evasion working for a US company named Freescale are on board, traveling to a conference.
This initially was one of the biggest coincidences, to have 20 people with an understanding or knowledge on how to make a plane invisible to radar go missing and avoid 8 or 10 countries radars. And no I do not believe that a commercial airliner was sacrificed in military practice, just stating what was reported as facts.

2. Many airborne and on the waters the US & other countries joined military training events were happening all night long in two of the regions the plane potentially disappeared from.
yet no military or formal reports of seeing MH370 or any commercial carrier during the practice.

3. Only 1 cell phone attempted to connect to a cell tower. 238 people turned their phone off completely? I have never been on a flight where everyone actually did turn off their cellular device. Why only the copilots phone tried to connect to the tower? Would radar interference create any cellular transmission interference too? like cell phone signal jammers?

4. Why not send any military planes to look for the missing plane? Air Traffic control asked other pilots to phone MH370 and look out the window to see if they can see it. They could not make contact and hours went by before any planes were asked to look for debris, no planes were sent to look for an awol aircraft.

5. The MH370 pilot's home PC simulator data was sent to the FBI to review very early in the investigation. The initial report was nothing untoward was found, it was sent for deeper analysis only the US has expertise in and they found deleted flights paths. Surprising that the US / Microsoft would be the only ones with the expertise to find deleted files?

6. Boeing collects data on engine health while planes are in flight. Regardless if MH paid for the service the data is most likely still uploaded to Boeing databases. (The engines are supplied by a 3rd party/supplier like Pratt & Whitney. ) If engine data for 8 hours of flying does exist, none has leaked to the public and it must not be of any use to decide where it is. but it seriously would be useful information.

Thanks for reading "listening" to my list of questions, I cannot shake these or find logical answers to stop me from rethinking them.

Keep Healthy Everyone,
Bobbi Pearl
 
This mystery and the Barry & Honey Sherman mystery are two subjects I look for new information on a regular just about a daily basis. I have recently started posting on the B&H forum and it is really all questions.

about the same here mostly questions.

After 7 years and so much shared information, as well as the same amount of details suppressed, this case makes it very difficult to not be pulled into a conspiracy theory or two.

A little background so my post may make sense?

I really try to keep an open mind and live my life with a commonsense and logical attitude. First, try to put me in another person(s) situation, and think about what they must be emotionally going through at that time (to be able to carry out a murderous plan and or deal with a non-practiced catastrophic situation).

I am what you would consider an airline brat. My father was a 747 simulator specialist for 32 years with Air Canada. My Uncle was a pilot, my uncle's brother worked with my Dad and as a young adult, I was a flight attendant. We were also all part of the Air Cadets. My Nephew and cousin both have private pilot licenses so we are true love and understanding of flight extended family.

My Dad had previous experience with L1011 and 727 models, but he was the specialist for the 747, knew the aircraft and its capabilities better than Boeing. A simulator specialist will become an expert on the minimum and maximum capabilities of a specific model aircraft in flight and on the ground. They are computer programmers that must write computer programs to make the simulator fly, act, react exactly like a real aircraft.

In some cases, they also take flight data recorder information from flight incidents and recreate the situation to teach pilots how to manage this situation. I remember when he was writing the wind shear program after a crash in Dallas and he wrote the taxiing program for the new Toronto Terminal too. So basically anything a pilot needs to do and be trained on a Simulator specialist needs to program it.

My weekends going to work with Dad would be to fly to California and back and test out some of the programs he was creating. Really cool.

To be clear I am not setting up any conspiracy suggestions here, these are just odd reports, some that happened in the early days and details being shared that still have not resulted in any follow-up details or clarifications. This can mean that they are just "things that happened" and must be considered a coincidence or misleading, misdiagnosed or misevaluated information.

1. 20 computer programmers who specialize in radar evasion working for a US company named Freescale are on board, traveling to a conference.
This initially was one of the biggest coincidences, to have 20 people with an understanding or knowledge on how to make a plane invisible to radar go missing and avoid 8 or 10 countries radars. And no I do not believe that a commercial airliner was sacrificed in military practice, just stating what was reported as facts.

2. Many airborne and on the waters the US & other countries joined military training events were happening all night long in two of the regions the plane potentially disappeared from.
yet no military or formal reports of seeing MH370 or any commercial carrier during the practice.

3. Only 1 cell phone attempted to connect to a cell tower. 238 people turned their phone off completely? I have never been on a flight where everyone actually did turn off their cellular device. Why only the copilots phone tried to connect to the tower? Would radar interference create any cellular transmission interference too? like cell phone signal jammers?

4. Why not send any military planes to look for the missing plane? Air Traffic control asked other pilots to phone MH370 and look out the window to see if they can see it. They could not make contact and hours went by before any planes were asked to look for debris, no planes were sent to look for an awol aircraft.

5. The MH370 pilot's home PC simulator data was sent to the FBI to review very early in the investigation. The initial report was nothing untoward was found, it was sent for deeper analysis only the US has expertise in and they found deleted flights paths. Surprising that the US / Microsoft would be the only ones with the expertise to find deleted files?

6. Boeing collects data on engine health while planes are in flight. Regardless if MH paid for the service the data is most likely still uploaded to Boeing databases. (The engines are supplied by a 3rd party/supplier like Pratt & Whitney. ) If engine data for 8 hours of flying does exist, none has leaked to the public and it must not be of any use to decide where it is. but it seriously would be useful information.

Thanks for reading "listening" to my list of questions, I cannot shake these or find logical answers to stop me from rethinking them.

Keep Healthy Everyone,
Bobbi Pearl

It is clear that you have a lot of airline knowledge by the questions you have posed. They are very thought provoking and maybe one day when MH370 is found, we will be able to find the answers. It seems clear that none of the countries involved are going to release any more information about what their radar may have detected.

I remember the man working at sea on the oil tower who reported seeing a flash of fire in the sky that night and wonder if he actually witnessed something happening to MH370 at that time?

WELCOME TO WS!
I hope you will continue posting.
 
This initially was one of the biggest coincidences, to have 20 people with an understanding or knowledge on how to make a plane invisible to radar go missing and avoid 8 or 10 countries radars.
Long range radars expensive to purchase, operate and maintain. Most would be military variants.

I would not be surprised if developing countries such as Cambodia and Indonesia are very selective about when and for how long they operate military radars. As a result, most of their territory could well not have radar coverage at any given time.

Likewise, Vietnamese constant radar coverage could be restricted to the Chinese border area where both countries keep planes and patrol ships on standby. Even more developed countries like Malaysia might not routinely operate enough radars for comprehensive coverage.

Evidently, the plane was briefly tracked by a Thai military radar that had been recently moved. At the time, Thailand and Cambodia just had a border clash regarding whose side of the border a historic temple is on. This may have led to the Thai radar being in active use.

In short, I dont think there were that many radars in active use to evade. Evidently, the pilot was aware of a presumably military Thai radar and flew around it- but, it had been moved recently. Maybe the pilot had heard controllers discussing the radar in the past and thus knew where it was?
 
Why not send any military planes to look for the missing plane?

Even more so than military radars, long range military patrol aircraft are extremely expensive. Developing countries in the area may well not have any planes truly capable of looking for the missing plane.

Even countries that might have such planes to a degree such as Vietnam probably have theirs focused on disputed islands. Once the plane turned south, it could have been beyond the range Vietnamese patrol planes.

Other countries such as Malaysia could better afford such planes, but dont have the same challenges as Vietnam. As a result, they might not operate any long range patrol aircraft.
 
Even more so than military radars, long range military patrol aircraft are extremely expensive. Developing countries in the area may well not have any planes truly capable of looking for the missing plane.

Even countries that might have such planes to a degree such as Vietnam probably have theirs focused on disputed islands. Once the plane turned south, it could have been beyond the range Vietnamese patrol planes.

Other countries such as Malaysia could better afford such planes, but dont have the same challenges as Vietnam. As a result, they might not operate any long range patrol aircraft.

Great points, and yes many reports at the time that some countries did not want to admit they turn them off at night, only to turn on in case of known threat.

Again too bad military aircraft were not notified of the missing plane and sent airborne to see anything or at minimum turned on their radar systems.

Bobbi Pearl
It is clear that you have a lot of airline knowledge by the questions you have posed. They are very thought provoking and maybe one day when MH370 is found, we will be able to find the answers. It seems clear that none of the countries involved are going to release any more information about what their radar may have detected.

I remember the man working at sea on the oil tower who reported seeing a flash of fire in the sky that night and wonder if he actually witnessed something happening to MH370 at that time?

WELCOME TO WS!
I hope you will continue posting.
thank you!
 
1. 20 computer programmers who specialize in radar evasion working for a US company named Freescale are on board said:
This initially was one of the biggest coincidences, to have 20 people with an understanding or knowledge on how to make a plane invisible to radar go missing and avoid 8 or 10 countries radars. And no I do not believe that a commercial airliner was sacrificed in military practice, just stating what was reported as facts. [/I]

Keep Healthy Everyone,
Bobbi Pearl

I just want to address that I work in the technology field and the Freescale engineers who perished were not computer programmers. They were engineers in semiconductor manufacturing - which is very high tech and mostly no longer US based, but has about as much to do with "knowing how to make a plane invisible" as my job in technology, which is to say, absolutely nothing.
Since it is peripheral to my direct line of work, I have found it borderline absurd when this is mentioned as a reason to raise suspicion. BBC addresses the many rumors around these employees and I'll link it here since I am not a verified expert on WS:
Malaysia Airlines MH370: The persistence of conspiracy theories
 
I just want to address that I work in the technology field and the Freescale engineers who perished were not computer programmers. They were engineers in semiconductor manufacturing - which is very high tech and mostly no longer US based, but has about as much to do with "knowing how to make a plane invisible" as my job in technology, which is to say, absolutely nothing.
Since it is peripheral to my direct line of work, I have found it borderline absurd when this is mentioned as a reason to raise suspicion. BBC addresses the many rumors around these employees and I'll link it here since I am not a verified expert on WS:
Malaysia Airlines MH370: The persistence of conspiracy theories
j-in-c
Thank you for this feedback, it is greatly appreciated, as I mentioned earlier, much of this is information that was shared early was so vague and non substantiated that it left people to think wild thoughts.

Your solid understanding of this subject and response have finally answered one of my lingering questions. This most likely was just media misinformation and the reason why the subject dropped from the conversation.

Thank you again
Bobbi Pearl
 

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