Malaysia airlines MH370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #26

[neesaki]

Without the cockpit recorder it will never be known what exactly happened.

One of my theories is that Zaharie Ahmad Shah purposely depressurized the plane in order to kill all the passengers and crew before crashing the plane. He likely made up some story to get the first officer out of the cockpit and then locked the door preventing him from reentry. When he depressurized the plane the oxygen masks should have dropped from the overhead compartments. Eventually the oxygen supply would have run out and one by one the passengers would have died from oxygen starvation. Shar may have very well turned off the supply of oxygen to the masks before the flight as a way to incapacitate the passengers as quickly as possible. This may have been his way to ensure that none of the passengers or crew would be able to stop him from carrying out his plan, which I think was to kill himself. He then flew long enough to ensure everyone on board had passed before crashing the plane and killing himself. In a sick way killing the passengers by starving them of oxygen may have been more humane than diving the plane into the ground with everyone still alive.

JMO

Why did he need to take the passengers with him, sounds like an act of revenge. He could have committed suicide a number of ways without committing mass murder. Maybe he was so depressed he became a homicidal lunatic... that’s about the only way I can begin to understand it.

That, or as some have mentioned, a highjacking, by someone else on the plane That seems as possible as anything, IMO.

 

[deugirtni]

Seems that i had forgotten about that as well, guess with all the information and disinformation regarding the missing plane, it has been overlooked, even by the media.
A simple explanation for the passports was given and apparently accepted, maybe time to check again?!
speculation, mo.

I think so too.... because.... how is it possible, weighing the odds here, that TWO people from this same flight, not only get their passports stolen, but also their plane tickets for this particular flight?

 

[deugirtni]

Why did he need to take the passengers with him, sounds like an act of revenge. He could have committed suicide a number of ways without committing mass murder. Maybe he was so depressed he became a homicidal lunatic... that’s about the only way I can begin to understand it.

That, or as some have mentioned, a highjacking, by someone else on the plane That seems as possible as anything, IMO.

Don't hijackers usually want to get something (besides death) out of it though (unless they're like suicide bomber types or something)??

 

[deugirtni]

I think so too.... because.... how is it possible, weighing the odds here, that TWO people from this same flight, not only get their passports stolen, but also their plane tickets for this particular flight?

I guess I am assuming these two men who stole the passports also stole the tickets - but I suppose they may have simply stolen the passports and then purchased the tickets themselves under their 'new identities'.. do we know which it is??

 

[deugirtni]

I guess I am assuming these two men who stole the passports also stole the tickets - but I suppose they may have simply stolen the passports and then purchased the tickets themselves under their 'new identities'.. do we know which it is??

Ok, found the answer:

Here is a timeline of events leading up to and including the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. All times are local times.

Thursday

An Iranian man named Kazem Ali purchases plane tickets for two men on this flight. These travelers board the flight with stolen Austrian and Italian passports. The passports were stolen in Thailand. Both tickets were one-way, paid for with cash and had itineraries continuing on from Beijing to Amsterdam. One ticket's final destination was Frankfurt, Germany; the other's was Copenhagen, Denmark. Interpol identified the men using the stolen passports as Pouri Nourmohammadi, 18, and Delavar Seyed Mohammad Reza, 29, both Iranians. Malaysian police believe the former was trying to immigrate to Germany using the stolen Austrian passport. The men entered Malaysia on February 28 using valid Iranian passports.

Timeline of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - CNN

 

[deugirtni]

Also, the two were apparently 'traveling together':

In same article this photo is posted, from CNN - it doesn't say who is in the photo - I am assuming since the article is talking about the two men traveling together, and neither of the two remaining faces in the photo are blocked out, that they are the two men with the stolen passports.

Reza was reportedly traveling with fellow Iranian, 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammed Mehrdad. Both traveled from Qatar to Malaysia with their legitimate Iranian passports. Then, on Saturday morning, both boarded flight 370 with stolen European passports.



Delavar Seyed Mohammad Reza: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if authorities have done any snooping/following of the families/loved ones of these two men, to see if they may have happened to come into some unexplained money around the latter half of 2014, etc. ??

 

[deugirtni]

Speaking of incompetence.. the passports were reported stolen years before they were used, and yet even in this day of regular terrorism threat, nobody bothered to check on them.

Interpol, the international police agency, confirmed that the stolen passports were entered into its database in 2012 and 2013 but that no authorities in Malaysia -- or any other country -- had checked.

Iranian linked to stolen passports on doomed jet

 

[deugirtni]

One might have an expectation that if would-be terrorists have been 'busted trying to fly out of the Kuala Lumpur airport', authorities would be more diligent in checking out passenger passports?
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An owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency in the resort town of Pattaya said she booked the men’s tickets at the request of an Iranian middleman, whom she knew only as “Mr. Ali.”

Benjaporn Krutnait described the mystery man as a regular customer she has dealt with for the past three years, and told the Financial Times he had a friend pay cash for the tickets after ordering them Thursday.

“Mr. Ali” couldn’t be reached through a Tehran cellphone number provided by Krutnait.
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The investigation into Saturday’s disappearance of the jet — which was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members — is now focused on the two men who boarded with stolen passports.

Several would-be terrorists have been busted trying to fly out of the Kuala Lumpur airport where the Beijing-bound plane took off, a source said.

“We have stopped men with false or stolen passports, and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past . . . security and get on a plane,” the source told Reuters.

“There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details.”

Malaysian authorities also said Monday that five passengers who checked in for the flight never boarded the plane and that their luggage was removed.

https://nypost.com/2014/03/10/pair-with-stolen-passports-on-missing-jet-got-tickets-from-mr-ali/

 

[ilovepierre]

I'd completely forgotten about this but the suggestion seems to be that two others boarded in their place and using their passports. Hmmm. Has this ever been verified by the airline? They must know whether those seats were checked in or not. There must have been CCTV of people in the airport. Surely there'd have been "can you identify these men" headlines at the time?

I thought it had been confirmed that the two men were asylum seekers and that there was nothing suspicious about them.

IMO.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I thought it had been confirmed that the two men were asylum seekers and that there was nothing suspicious about them.

IMO.

Yes, that seems to be the case

 

[Hatfield]

Stumbled onto this link and theory below that makes a lot of sense. Wonder if this person's theory will eventually pan out if we can ever find the plane to prove it.

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

 

[watcher9]

Stumbled onto this link and theory below that makes a lot of sense. Wonder if this person's theory will eventually pan out if we can ever find the plane to prove it.

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

I've always thought it was something like this.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Stumbled onto this link and theory below that makes a lot of sense. Wonder if this person's theory will eventually pan out if we can ever find the plane to prove it.

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

I like that theory, Hats. And wasn't Langkawi where one of the pilots was from?

 

[Hatfield]

I've always thought it was something like this.

Yeah, we here at WS had similar theories early on about some sort of possible issue with the plane, but I dont remember a theory as specific as this person's theory. The author of that theory is a 20 year experienced pilot so I respect his opinion quite a bit after reading it.

I especially liked how he gave a possible reason why the plane would go really high up in altitude in an attempt to starve out a fire of oxygen. And also how he described a severe nose dive could be an attempt to put out a fire by sheer speed of wind trying to blow out the flames. Things like that make a lot of sense and could have explained reports of fluctuation in altitude.

I guess the problem with most theories is until we find the plane or some other real evidence of what happened, there really is not a way to prove one theory over another.

 

[Hatfield]

I like that theory, Hats. And wasn't Langkawi where one of the pilots was from?

Hello CMC. I like it too.

Im not sure if one of the pilots was from Pulau Langkawi. If we can find out, it would add credence to his theory because that would be one of the first possible landing areas the pilots would think of if one of them was from there.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Hello CMC. I like it too.

Im not sure if one of the pilots was from Pulau Langkawi. If we can find out, it would add credence to his theory because that would be one of the first possible landing areas the pilots would think of if one of them was from there.

I've checked, he was from the neighbouring island of Penang, my mistake. I recall people saying perhaps he was suicidal and wanted to do a final fly over it. I've flown between the two airports - a short and low flight but a beautiful one, seeing all the greenery, beaches, tiny islands and turquoise waters from above.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Looking at this map though, the plane definitely headed back over towards Penang which is marked on the map. Langkawi is the big island north of it, by the Thai border.



Another reason the "deliberate" theory grew, was because after Penang the plane appeared to veer north-west to avoid crossing over Indonesia (and alerting everyone to trespassing into their airspace which would have raised a big red flag).

Furthermore, had the pilot taken the most direct route to Langkawi, as suggested in that blog, he'd have entered Thai airspace. He avoided that. It definitely seemed to be a deliberate route to sneak around the various airspace radars and to get into open water territory. I guess this is why the suicide theory is the more popular one.

 

[Hatfield]

Looking at this map though, the plane definitely headed back over towards Penang which is marked on the map. Langkawi is the big island north of it, by the Thai border.

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Another reason the "deliberate" theory grew, was because after Penang the plane appeared to veer north-west to avoid crossing over Indonesia (and alerting everyone to trespassing into their airspace which would have raised a big red flag).

Furthermore, had the pilot taken the most direct route to Langkawi, as suggested in that blog, he'd have entered Thai airspace. He avoided that. It definitely seemed to be a deliberate route to sneak around the various airspace radars and to get into open water territory. I guess this is why the suicide theory is the more popular one.

Good Points. The suicide theory was always near the top of my list as well.

The discussions of the pilot making one last personal phone call to the wife who allegedly had left him just days before had stuck with me and if that was true that he was having marital issues and she officially left him, then I could see where he may have been suicidal.

I cant remember how we found some of that alleged information but I recall those discussions. I think he allegedly called his wife from the cockpit using his Cell Phone from the plane right before takeoff.

Not sure if any of that was confirmed but I do remember those discussions and that has kept the suicide theory at the top for me. That, combined, with the pilots personal flight simulator he had at his home where he had flight plans that allegedly could have been some pre-planning for what had happened.

 

[SpanishMossAntiques]

I thought it had been confirmed that the two men were asylum seekers and that there was nothing suspicious about them.

IMO.

Yes, indeed it was confirmed that these two men were, in fact, asylum seekers. They were not terrorists, nor were they thought to have been involved in any terrorism-related groups, etc. Let's pull this thread from the madness of conspiracy theory and bring it into the light of truth; also, why do I get the feeling that some of this conspiracy theory may be related to that these men are Persian ('Middle-Eastern').