Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #11

[lawstudent]

We never conceived of an airplane being used as a weapon until 9/11 either. We have become complacent about what the lunies out there are capable of . . . this does seem to me like something that has been well planned out for some time. If flight 370 is sitting on the Pakistani/ Afghan border it can't mean anything good. I do believe that our government and many others are very aware of what is going on and if they are gathering defenses, they are not going to broadcast or alarm us until necessary. Just my opinion.
Between this and the Ukraine Russia mess, things must be making those in charge everywhere very nervous.

Maybe it's because I was pretty young when 9/11 happened and only really know a post-9/11 world, but I can definitely conceive of a plane disappearing without a trace in the ocean (doesn't explain some of the other weird stuff about this case, though), and I don't think everyone was mystified by the idea of a plane being used as a weapon. We know that a lot of people involved in various governments knew that was Bin Laden's plan. Hijackings had happened many times, and so had bombing buildings, including the WTC. People had certainly driven planes into things before (Pearl Harbor). I had classmates who visited the WTC right before 9/11 and asked their parents what would happen if someone drove a plane into it. There were people who worked in construction-related industries who realized the towers would fall, but the common belief that they were thought to be infallible is often repeated. Same with Titanic - they did not believe it was unsinkable, but they did not believe so much of its structure would be destroyed at once. It will never be practical to build things according to the absolute worst case scenario.

The scale and coordination of 9/11 was shocking, as was the extreme loss of life and horror, but I think we're the opposite of complacent. We're more secure than ever, but we'll never be 100% secure. I agree the government knows a lot more than they tell us, and they've probably shut down a lot of incidents we don't know about. It's not that we're too confident in our own security - it's that we're simply not capable of making things 100% secure. Believing we are capable of that is where things get dangerous.

 

[Tiepos]

A 777 did not vanish under your command!!!

No, it didn’t but that’s irrelevant whether you’re talking about me or the captain.

Regardless though - multiple Sim civilizations have perished by my hand. I once walled up a poor grandma with a ghost and then scared her to death.

Do you think the FBI will be able to recover them with forensic stuff?

I think if he was up to no good, there’s less chance they’ll recover everything.

I think if it was harmless (which is my guess at the moment, and I reserve the right to change my mind later), then they’ll have no trouble recovering it.

 

[Steely Dan]

Mr. Mohamed Gairul Amri Selamat, an aeronautical Engineer who is an expert in the flight operations was one among the passengers.

I would also suggest to search the missing ✈️ flight in Indonesia territory

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/photos/selamat-omar-60-whose-son-mohd-khairul-amri-photo-065219345.html

Selamat Omar, 60, whose son Mohd Khairul Amri Selamat was travelling on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight, uses his mobile phone at a hotel in Putrajaya

"We are not discounting this. We are looking at every angle but again, we have to find concrete evidence," he said.

The baggage of five passengers who had checked in to the flight but did not board the plane were removed before it departed, he said.

The thefts of the two passports - one belonging to Austrian Christian Kozel and the other to Luigi Maraldi of Italy - were entered into Interpol's database after they were stolen in Thailand in 2012 and last year, the police body said.

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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/10/investigators-chasing-every-angle-on-missing-jet/20846316/

Have any of you heard this ??

The aerial search for missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight has been hampered by refusal from Indonesia to let planes overfly their territory.


Gosh I hope everyone does not start doing this...........That is bothersome no?.

CNN is interviewing a commander William Marks about the search;

He's saying that it wasn't just Indonesia that refused planes to fly over their air space and it isn't just the U.S. who's being denied. WTF!

He's saying that another country has received data about the plane, but the Malyasian government won't say who it is.

Subs are looking for it, but he can't say where they are.

Every day they cover another 15,000 miles of ocean.

 

[21merc7]

IMO they have the best of the best equipment to do it. I'm sure they will get some layers. How deep remains to be seen.

If it is just a simple delete, all is still there. A lot has to be done to wipe a hard drive clean. Even when they retrieve the any info, I am learning that simulators are used by pilots to try to see how to keep from crashing a plane, based on previous known crashes. (And training is recommended for doing so.) So, I wouldn't find anything like that suspect if found. The 3 games may have just been annoying or useless to him, and I don't see anything suspicious in having them or deleting them. My ex-h even has flying games on his computer, he has never flown anything anywhere, and never will. Just likes the games.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

bbm

I disagree with this "aren't the USA's problem."

This is not like some terrorists blew up a bomb inside Malaysia. This is in an aircraft, we know what happened on 9/11, and we know terrorists' main target is the USA. And the aircraft proceeded to go outside of Malaysia and into international territory.

And we know the terrorists are constantly trying to use new tactics.

Again, their main target is the USA.

JMO.

We don't know it's a terrorist? Again, another american way of thinking...

Be alert, not alarmed guys

 

[Forensics]

I understand that the report of a plane similar to MH370 flying extremely low over the Maldives has now been discounted?

 

[Leilei]

UGh CNN just made it like deleting a log is a big ordeal is that accurate?

Not a big ordeal at all. We delete programs/files/pictures all the time here at my house. Just a couple clicks of the mouse, and it frees up space and helps your pc run smoother.

Wiping a hard drive is more involved, if you're wanting to back everything up, but here is info on that. I've never done it, haven't had a reason to:

http://www.wikihow.com/Wipe-Clean-a-Computer-and-Start-Over

 

[Bonnie2487]

At least 20 passengers were living (probably on work visas) in the USA while remaining Chinese or Malaysian citizens. At least, I am aware that many who worked for Freescale in Austin, TX had been here for several years (they were all Chinese or Malaysian; the only American passport was Philip Woods, who was not with the company).

This is not to point the finger at them, but simply to answer your question. Because of the nature of Freescale Semiconductor's work with the manufacture of aeronautical technology and aviation equipment (eg. radar-blocking technology and newer, patented technologies), I'm sure the authorities are considering any possible connections. (They have been looking at all the passengers, in fact, in addition to the pilots, as part of a thorough investigation.)

Do you have a link saying they lived in the US because I do not believe they did. They worked for the company yes, but lived overseas.

 

[CARIIS]

CNN just declard

CRossfire will not be seen so we can continue.............

saying since last night that the plane turned a little earlier than intially thought

and that programs deleted

and then

and programs deleted followed by new info


saying since last night that the plane turned a little earlier than intially

thought

and "just in now"

and programs might have been deleted

and were just learning

that the plane turned a little earlier than intially thought

really means that a darn thing has happened since yesterday

 

[21merc7]

We don't know it's a terrorist? Again, another american way of thinking...

Be alert, not alarmed guys

Lol.

I have no idea what happened. I know nothing of flying planes.

I just think something happened with the plane, not terrorists.

I know NOTHING!!!!

 

[Derryn Hunch]

No, it didn&#8217;t but that&#8217;s irrelevant whether you&#8217;re talking about me or the captain.

Regardless though - multiple Sim civilizations have perished by my hand. I once walled up a poor grandma with a ghost and then scared her to death.

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

I think if he was up to no good, there&#8217;s less chance they&#8217;ll recover everything.

I think if it was harmless (which is my guess at the moment, and I reserve the right to change my mind later), then they&#8217;ll have no trouble recovering it.

:drumroll:

 

[Bravo]

Maybe it's because I was pretty young when 9/11 happened and only really know a post-9/11 world, but I can definitely conceive of a plane disappearing without a trace in the ocean (doesn't explain some of the other weird stuff about this case, though), and I don't think everyone was mystified by the idea of a plane being used as a weapon. We know that a lot of people involved in various governments knew that was Bin Laden's plan. Hijackings had happened many times, and so had bombing buildings, including the WTC. People had certainly driven planes into things before (Pearl Harbor). I had classmates who visited the WTC right before 9/11 and asked their parents what would happen if someone drove a plane into it. There were people who worked in construction-related industries who realized the towers would fall, but the common belief that they were thought to be infallible is often repeated. Same with Titanic - they did not believe it was unsinkable, but they did not believe so much of its structure would be destroyed at once. It will never be practical to build things according to the absolute worst case scenario.

The scale and coordination of 9/11 was shocking, as was the extreme loss of life and horror, but I think we're the opposite of complacent. We're more secure than ever, but we'll never be 100% secure. I agree the government knows a lot more than they tell us, and they've probably shut down a lot of incidents we don't know about. It's not that we're too confident in our own security - it's that we're simply not capable of making things 100% secure. Believing we are capable of that is where things get dangerous.

If you are a law student you just won your case! So true and thank you for your perspective. I have a "few" years on you LOL

 

[Derryn Hunch]

This whole thread has just descended into hilarity
:floorlaugh:

 

[Bravo]

I understand that the report of a plane similar to MH370 flying extremely low over the Maldives has now been discounted?

Yes and welcome :seeya:

 

[gia2]

A 777 did not vanish under your command!!!

Do you think it is realistic for someone to retain all data from a simulator for the duration that they own it? Can you imagine the volume of data a flight simulator must create?!
It would be interesting to see when data was deleted and how often data was deleted in the past.

 

[pocoloco]

I’ve never used a flight simulator; I’m pretty sure that would make me barf in about 5.7 seconds - so I honestly can’t tell you how much of a hassle it is to delete the game logs.

My guess is that it’s not really that difficult, because consumer gaming software is meant to be user friendly, no matter how hardcore it is.

The Gaming logs are just plain text data that is saved in a file like Notepad. They give you a Date/timestamp of what the user would be doing in the game. Now these files don't take up much room/Memory, so the need to delete it would be up to the user.

The attachment is a screenshot of a random log file. This is just so you can see what it looks like. It would look similar for the game log.

 

[Bravo]

I have a horrid head cold and holing up in the bedroom with my germs. You folks are my lifeline LOL Thanks for the laughs. Hubby and Son are kind enough to feed and water me but they don't stay long. I need one of those jail cell bean holes :facepalm:

 

[kincaid]

Don't think this was posted.

Could Plane Cockpits Be Too Secure?
&#8220;Nobody ever thought about having to protect the passengers from the pilots,&#8221; Jetblue founder and former CEO David Neeleman says.

March 19, 2014 5:52 PM
In the ongoing saga of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the notion that something nefarious took place in the cockpit continues to gain traction. If that is what happened aboard the Boeing 777, it could stand on its head many assumptions about aviation security that have been in place since the hijackings of September 11, 2001.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/in-light-of-mh370-evidence-could-plane-cockpits-be-too-secure-16611747

I can't imagine a worse scenario than the plane being hijacked or out of control and the passengers are locked outside the cockpit trying to get in.

 

[Waddles]

Don't think this was posted.



http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/in-light-of-mh370-evidence-could-plane-cockpits-be-too-secure-16611747

I can't imagine a worse scenario than the plane being hijacked or out of control and the passengers are locked outside the cockpit trying to get in.

that's just to awful to think about

 

[Forensics]

CNN is interviewing a commander William Marks about the search;

He's saying that it wasn't just Indonesia that refused planes to fly over their air space and it isn't just the U.S. who's being denied. WTF!

He's saying that another country has received data about the plane, but the Malyasian government won't say who it is.

Subs are looking for it, but he can't say where they are.

Every day they cover another 15,000 miles of ocean.

Indonesia has denied withholding information regarding the disappearance of flight MH370 and said it was amongst the first nations to offer support and continues to do so.