Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #14

[Isabelle]

The resources allocated for the search for #MalaysiaAirlines #MH370 pic.twitter.com/lu2lizaACB

https://twitter.com/TomerSimon/status/447679459269681152/photo/1

U.S. Is down to one plane in the search.

 

[21merc7]

I also hope the crew on the merchant ships are doing ok, they've been searching only with the the assistance of binoculars, which from the looks of the Norwegian car carrier, appears to be the outdoor top deck. They've been hanging in there for a few days now. Under normal circumstances, they'd be sailing AROUND a cyclone if possible. I'm sure those seas are ROUGH!

I'm just hoping that no one is letting their ships, planes, and crews be out there if it is too dangerous for the known ability of the ships, planes, and crews. No need for another tragedy!

 

[dotr]

It was posted already, I have it bookmarked. But thank you for bringing it up again for anyone who may have missed it.
IMO it should be posted once or twice a day, as it answers so many questions that get asked often.
One of the best articles I have read since this all started.

Very interesting inside info.
After reading about airline personnel 's dedication to passenger safety, I think that as an avid pilot, the captain of the missing plane would have to have a very unusual trigger if he did not follow an innate instinct to protect those he is flying.
jmo.
From the link..
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/what-happened-to-flight-mh370-missing-plane
"What are cabin crew trained to do in a hijack situation?

Cabin crew are taught in the main to comply with hijackers; however their first action is to maintain the safety and welfare of the passengers – and I don’t know a single cabin crew member that wouldn’t fight to death to prevent a terrorist gaining access to the flight deck"

 

[Lola68]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...alled-malaysia-airlines-pilot-before-takeoff/

REPORT: INVESTIGATORS NOW LOOKING FOR MYSTERY WOMAN WHO CALLED MALAYSIAN AIRLINES PILOT BEFORE TAKEOFF

(More at link above...)
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Interesting article...

Yet... Reinforces that there are conflicting reports...

(Of course... :banghead

Was it definitely a woman? As far as I understand it, all we know is that it was purchased with a fake ID under a woman's name. Just the media reporting that it was a call from a 'mystery woman'. Not that it necessarily means anything. It could be his girlfriend (given that he is separated from his wife). But if the person purchasing the SIM really didn't want to be traced, giving the wrong gender would be a good start. JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

U.S. Is down to one plane in the search.

The US is going undersea:

Malaysia has also asked the U.S. for undersea surveillance equipment to help in the search. --AP

Read more: UPDATE 5 (Day 16): MISSING MH370: More planes join ocean hunt - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...planes-join-ocean-hunt-1.527984#ixzz2wnon3edH

 

[Nymeria]

Just to factor this into the fuel discussion-

As answered by a pilot in the article....

"The altitude at which an aircraft can fly depends on its weight, essentially. When an aircraft takes off, fully fuelled, with a full load of passengers, it will initially climb to an optimum cruising altitude. Over time as fuel is burnt off, the optimum cruising altitude increases, so pilots perform a step climb throughout the flight as the plane becomes lighter and lighter."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/what-happened-to-flight-mh370-missing-plane

Just saying if it was fully fueled that would have to factor into the claimed ascent to 45,000, wouldn't it?
(Not saying it could not, but it would be important).

 

[Waddles]

from daily mail, ahem...

Now France says it has satellite images of objects that could be from missing flight MH370 as photo taken by a New Zealand search team emerges and police seize plane crew's bank data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cts-missing-MH370-airliner.html#ixzz2wnpA1JhO


Meanwhile, it was claimed that police have seized the personal financial records of all 12 crew members of the flight MH370 - including bank statements, mortgage documents and credit card bills.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I'm just hoping that no one is letting their ships, planes, and crews be out there if it is too dangerous for the known ability of the ships, planes, and crews. No need for another tragedy!

Here's a quote from one of the searchers, sound pretty dangerous with cloud down to surface:

Sunday’s search was frustrating because “there was cloud down to the surface and at times we were completely enclosed by cloud,” Royal Australian Air Force flight Lt. Russell Adams told reporters at the military base where the planes take off and land on their missions.

Nothing of interest to searchers was found, he said, adding that the search is worth it because “we might do 10 sorties and find nothing, but on that 11th flight when you find something and you know that you’re actually contributing to some answers for somebody.”

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...e-debris-from-malaysia-jetliner/#.Uy8ByPldW4I

 

[Intermezzo]

There are 2 merchant ships that have been asked to aid in the search..I know one is the Norwegian car carrier but what is the 2nd merchant ship? anyone know?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sear...jects-seen-with-naked-eye-20140323-35b4m.html

The Royal Australian Navy's HMAS Success and two merchant ships are also in the search area.

UPDATE..the Norwegian merchant ship is no longer searching..
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
"On Saturday, the Norwegian merchant ship Hoegh St. Petersburg was released from taking part in the search, according to AMSA. Australian officials thanked the ship's crew for its "valuable assistance and efforts," AMSA said via Twitter."

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There are also 2 private jets, civil aircraft, helping in the search..No word who they are?http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

At least six search flights were involved Saturday, including two private jets. Though the two civilian jets did not have radar, their role was crucial, authorities said.
Will we ever find Flight 370? The search for Flight 370 by the numbers Here are the theories surrounding MH370 Perth commander: 'Search is going well'
Indeed, during Saturday's search it was a civil aircraft that reported sighting some small objects floating with the naked eye, including a wooden pallet, AMSA said. These objects were within a radius of 5 kilometers (3 miles).

 

[JerseyGirl]

France echos, no images?

The statement from Malaysia called the information "new satellite images," while a statement from France's Foreign Ministry said "radar echoes taken by a satellite" had located floating debris but made no mention of imagery.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which is leading the search in waters off Australia, declined to offer details about the information from France. The authority did not respond to multiple requests by The Associated Press for access to the data. "Any satellite images or other new information that comes to AMSA is being considered in developing the search plans," AMSA said.

But a Malaysian official involved in the search mission said the data located objects about 930 kilometers (575 miles) north of the spots where the objects in the images released by Australia and China were located. One of the objects located was estimated to be about the same size as an object captured Tuesday by the Chinese satellite that appeared to be 22 meters (72 feet) by 13 meters (43 feet), said the official, who declined to be identified because he isn't authorized to speak to the media. But it was not possible to determine precise dimensions from the French data, the official said.

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Wooden pallets are commonly used in shipping, but can also be used in cargo containers carried on planes. AMSA said the aircraft that spotted the pallet was unable to take photos of it.

"We went to some of the expert airlines and the use of wooden pallets is quite common in the industry," Barton said. "They're usually packed into another container, which is loaded in the belly of the aircraft. ... It's a possible lead, but we will need to be very certain that this is a pallet because pallets are used in the shipping industry as well."


http://www.newstimes.com/news/world...how-possible-debris-from-jetliner-5341774.php

 

[jmcgladr]

Was it definitely a woman? As far as I understand it, all we know is that it was purchased with a fake ID under a woman's name. Just the media reporting that it was a call from a 'mystery woman'. Not that it necessarily means anything. It could be his girlfriend (given that he is separated from his wife). But if the person purchasing the SIM really didn't want to be traced, giving the wrong gender would be a good start. JMO

Is it confirmed that the pilot and his wife had separated? I thought she was just going to stay with her adult son while he traveled. And even if she moved out the day before, that would be pretty fast to get a girlfriend!

 

[21merc7]

Here's a quote from one of the searchers, sound pretty dangerous with cloud down to surface:

Sunday’s search was frustrating because “there was cloud down to the surface and at times we were completely enclosed by cloud,” Royal Australian Air Force flight Lt. Russell Adams told reporters at the military base where the planes take off and land on their missions.

Nothing of interest to searchers was found, he said, adding that the search is worth it because “we might do 10 sorties and find nothing, but on that 11th flight when you find something and you know that you’re actually contributing to some answers for somebody.”

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...e-debris-from-malaysia-jetliner/#.Uy8ByPldW4I

If it is too dangerous, then they can wait a day. It is the Ocean. Things are not going to stay still. Ludicrous to send them if it is too much. Really should be protecting their crews!

 

[ElleElle]

This fuel question came up with the experts at least a week ago - and I remember it being asked at a press conference.

"...Airline CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said Sunday the missing passenger jet took off with its normal amount of fuel needed for the roughly six-hour flight and did not have extra fuel on board that could have extended its range...."
from:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

Whether or not you believe it is another story. However, I think the north- south arc itself is based on the intersection of the fuel-limit circle with the satellite-ping circle, so I would imagine it has been checked out.

If the plane extended that range, I think it must have refueled somewhere.

BBM ~ But where? :banghead: Sorry, i'm starting to get frustrated with this whole thing.

 

[ElleElle]

At the risk of using the "S" word, has anyone found or read anything speculative as to WHY this particular aircraft and flight time and route would have been selected for hijack? All I have read is the possibility of its cargo being the goal. That baby could be put to bed if the true cargo manifest were to be publicized. jmo

BBM ~ My only speculation is March 7, 03/7 - MH370? and 9/11 - 3+7= 10?

:scared:

 

[Intermezzo]

from daily mail, ahem...

Now France says it has satellite images of objects that could be from missing flight MH370 as photo taken by a New Zealand search team emerges and police seize plane crew's bank data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cts-missing-MH370-airliner.html#ixzz2wnpA1JhO


Meanwhile, it was claimed that police have seized the personal financial records of all 12 crew members of the flight MH370 - including bank statements, mortgage documents and credit card bills.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sear...jects-seen-with-naked-eye-20140323-35b4m.html
NASA is also helping (they began about 1 week ago) by checking out their satellite images and by pointing the Earth-Observing 1 satellite and ISERV camera on the Intl Space station towards the search area....but we have not heard anything Yet.

In regards to the investigators checking the crews finances..IMO..it's all part of the investigation.

Malaysia has sent the pilot's simulator to the FBI lab in Quantico, VA, for further analysis and in hopes they can retrieve the deleted files...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...search-for-malaysian-jet-may-have-been-found/

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

BBM ~ But where? :banghead: Sorry, i'm starting to get frustrated with this whole thing.

Oh, I don't think it refueled. I'm just observing that if people believe it extended beyond the range of the normal fuel load, it needed to land and pick up the extra fuel because it didn't take off with extra, imo.

 

[Lola68]

Is it confirmed that the pilot and his wife had separated? I thought she was just going to stay with her adult son while he traveled. And even if she moved out the day before, that would be pretty fast to get a girlfriend!

I read it here
http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ed-mystery-woman/story-fnizu68q-1226862570836

But I'm not sure it's a very good source and have seen it denied elsewhere

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...-to-youtube-to-defend-him-20140317-hvjmx.html

I still find it hard to believe he's responsible, but not totally discounting it.

 

[Isabelle]

On Sunday, the Malaysian government denied recent U.S. media reports that the flight was pre-programmed to turn around before it vanished from radar. Those reports, citing unnamed U.S. officials, said the plane’s last transmission made through its ACARS system at 1:07 a.m. indicated the aircraft had already been pre-programmed to make a U-turn, and had cast suspicion on the two pilots.

This was not true, Malaysia’s Ministry of Transport said in a statement. “The last ACARS transmission, sent at 1:07 a.m., showed nothing unusual,” it said. “The 1:07 transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b92692-b258-11e3-95e8-39bef8e9a48b_story.html

If debris from the airliner is found, complex and uncertain mathematical modeling will have to be employed to track back and find out where the plane might have come down, and naval vessels equipped with sonar technology will have to sweep the area, listening for beeps from the black box.

Then, it will be a case of searching the deep ocean floor, roughly two miles beneath the surface, with undersea drones to look for the main wreckage.

Am expecting any day to hear that flight MH370 never existed and that unnamed US officials made it up!

 

[JerseyGirl]

If it is too dangerous, then they can wait a day. It is the Ocean. Things are not going to stay still. Ludicrous to send them if it is too much. Really should be protecting their crews!

I'm worried too, if they are flying close to or at the surface, it must be extremely stressful not only to avoid 20 foot waves, but also other ships involved in the search.

Praying for clear skies!

 

[ElleElle]

Just to factor this into the fuel discussion-

As answered by a pilot in the article....

"The altitude at which an aircraft can fly depends on its weight, essentially. When an aircraft takes off, fully fuelled, with a full load of passengers, it will initially climb to an optimum cruising altitude. Over time as fuel is burnt off, the optimum cruising altitude increases, so pilots perform a step climb throughout the flight as the plane becomes lighter and lighter."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/what-happened-to-flight-mh370-missing-plane

Just saying if it was fully fueled that would have to factor into the claimed ascent to 45,000, wouldn't it?
(Not saying it could not, but it would be important).

BBM ~ IMO, reefing on the throttle up and down (45k feet to 23k feet) would burn fuel more quickly? Does it work like a car as when you floor it all the time, you burn more gas?