Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #14

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This is my first post so please don't bite me , i guess ppl have seen this and i was wondering if ppl thought it was a valid senario ?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/V...ing_plane_goes_viral.html#DDRV3xRufbJv7kUW.01

Is he saying it landed on Langkawi? Langkawi is a very very popular Malaysian resort island, so I don't see how it would go undetected if that is this guys theory? Of course, maybe it was night but you can see all of the airspace around Langkawi, I believe, from other places, Penang and Georgetown? And probably from Thai areas as well.

 

[moomin]

Thank you, moomin. Welcome to Websleuths.


:wagon::welcome4:

Thank you

 

[LambChop]

Jim Sciutto ‏@jimsciutto 14m

We answered one of your Q's: sat images are grainier in part to hide capabilities, also due to angle of satellite aiming at site #MH370

Plus, I would think the pictures we are seeing are not focused to zoom in on something as small as a wing or the tail section of an airplane. If they found the picture right away they may have been able to get a closer look by zooming in on the object which I'm sure they are capable of doing. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

The Malaysians have kept American investigators at a distance since the plane vanished on March 8, angering some lawmakers in Washington who believe that the F.B.I. should have been playing a larger role from the beginning. A small team of F.B.I. agents in Malaysia has received briefings on the investigation, but it has not been asked to help.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/w...es-a-vanished-jet-vexes-and-perplexes.html?hp

The data collected by the Acars system showed that the first turn to the west that diverted the plane from its planned path was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the cockpit.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I've read some reports scoffing at the idea that a hijacker could land a B777-200 on a hidden airport runway somewhere. In one report I remember a man claiming it was highly unlikely, in that these planes needed at least "a mile" to land.

Not true according to this Boeing graphic, though. A mile = 5,280 feet...but this graphic says that the 777-200 needs a runway that is approx 3,960 feet to land. Still a long runway, but not a mile long.

 

[fruity]

I was quite active on Tomnod in the first few days when the defined search area was when communication was lost - but since the search was extended to the North and especially South corridors, I was expecting the focus to be on these areas (?) I can't work out how to navigate to a particular area and I haven't seen any tags further North or South when downloading the results to Google Earth. Anyone got more experience of Tomnod they can share? Thanks

It could possibly be because they haven't released that imagery to the public.

http://m.smh.com.au/technology/tech...sia-airlines-flight-mh370-20140321-3575p.html

The satellite company has not said if it will release imagery that encompasses the search area off the coast of Western Australia to the public on Tomnod.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

For those of you saying how come you can find a car with OnStar etc... you can only find it of the OnStar is subscribed to. How many cases on here have we seen where the OnStar can't be activated?

Nothing is perfect. It cost money to have the tracking activated for the airline and they are almost bankrupt (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...st-rm1.2b-loss-bt-suggests-bankruptcy-for-mas). With all the other signalling systems on the plane, the added value was minimal when there are more important things like maintenance and salaries. How often has a plane disappeared like this? A car is much more likely to be stolen or wrecked than a plane, so the owner is more likely to assess something like OnStar as a valuable addition.

And if Malaysia Airlines wasn't bankrupt before, they will be soon. Stocks have understandably been falling.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This is my first post so please don't bite me , i guess ppl have seen this and i was wondering if ppl thought it was a valid senario ?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/V...ing_plane_goes_viral.html#DDRV3xRufbJv7kUW.01

Welcome! :seeya:
At this point, anything is possible. But it would seem to me a fire would have consumed the plane long before 7-8 hours making it very unlikely to have made it back to any airport or landing strip as he indicated.

 

[moomin]

I think he was pointing out that it would be the nearest place to land in an emergency , but i think the point he was trying to make was the search area had it crashed ?

 

[ToutCa]

Well, to give him the benefit of the doubt, he may have backtracked to clarify. Obviously he didn't get his info from Boeing Company who wouldn't say anything due to this still being under investigation at this point. But I think from some responses he got, he probably felt he needed to clarify that Boeing Co. wasn't saying one thing to him and something else to everyone else; his sources were individuals within Boeing.

I don't know the man or his military record. But having had both a dad and grandfather who worked for the DoD I also know that some things can be known without being broadcast, necessarily. So, I also don't write him off. Especially since I've seen no evidence yet to discount his theory, yet I've seen some evidence to discount other theories. In other words, his theory is as good as any out there in that it hasn't yet been discounted and he does come from a background where he might be privy to some knowledge about the situation.

He backtracked because Boeing denied his claim publicly. They issued a statement saying McInerney's claim was false. Boeing builds planes. It has 175,000 employees. I'm sure many of those employees have many different opinions on many things.

I don't write McInerney off either, but until there is evidence presented that can be verified, it's just more expert speculation. Up to now there has been no tangible evidence either he has true inside knowledge of the fate of MH-370. I understand others give his words more weight than I do. Intelligent minds can disagree here.

 

[fruity]

This is my first post so please don't bite me , i guess ppl have seen this and i was wondering if ppl thought it was a valid senario ?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/V...ing_plane_goes_viral.html#DDRV3xRufbJv7kUW.01

No biting from me. Welcome.

That theory ignores too many facts, IMO, to be a valid scenario. It has been discussed in the past few threads, but there is a good rebuttal here. There are many other problems with it too IMO but the slate article covers the main ones.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...ellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

 

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I think he was pointing out that it would be the nearest place to land in an emergency , but i think the point he was trying to make was the search area had it crashed ?

Thanks... I probably didn't read close enough. I feel woefully inadequate in this subject area!

Oh, and WELCOME!

 

[Steely Dan]

So nothing new so far?! :stormingmad: :waiting:

 

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He backtracked because Boeing denied his claim publicly. They issued a statement saying McInerney's claim was false. Boeing builds planes. It has 175,000 employees. I'm sure many of those employees have many different opinions on many things.

I don't write McInerney off either, but until there is evidence presented that can be verified, it's just more expert speculation. Up to now there has been no tangible evidence either he has true inside knowledge of the fate of MH-370. I understand others give his words more weight than I do. Intelligent minds can disagree here.

I tend to think this is more feasible than Pakistan (posted also on theories thread so sorry for the duplicate).

 

[QueenD]

Just heard a bit on Fox News that a plane has spotted several debris in water. I had to turn it to watch local news. I'll turn back in a moment. Had to turn so the BF could watch the local weather. I tried to tell him to pull it up on his phone.

 

[JaimeInLA]

So nothing new so far?! :stormingmad: :waiting:

Nope. But maybe you could make us more drawings to keep us entertained!

 

[fruity]

So nothing new so far?! :stormingmad: :waiting:

Not yet. It's getting close to dawn in Perth so the jets should be leaving soon.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Excellent ideas!! I too wondered why the hell there aren't buoys of some desciption that can send out a beacon. I thought the seats were meant to float? Could it possibly be that the plane went down intact somehow?! It just seems totally and utterly mad that a plane can get lost. Many lessons to be learnt.

One of the worst parts of airline safety changes is they go by a value per life calculation that in the U.S. is

The FAA estimates the new rules will cost passenger airlines $297 million over 10 years, while saving $247 million to $470 million in fewer accidents and lower pilot health-care expenses.

The FAA places a value of $6.2 million on each life a rule is projected to save.

The value-of-a-life calculation varies among government agencies. The Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration, for example, use a value of $7.9 million.

An excellent article here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ths-too-few-to-make-new-safety-rules-pay.html

Essentially they are not required to make changes to aircraft or crew rules if it will cost over that per death. In the states (no link here, just from a documentary i watched and news during one of the major crash aftermaths) it seems the NTSB has a difficult relationship with the FAA because they make a number of safety recommendations that are not implement as they are not considered cost savings enough per body. The airline industry has a strong lobby with the FAA and will fight tooth and nail if it might increase their costs.

Now think of countries which are less regulated. However most come from boeing or airbus which are manufactured according to rules, no matter where they are sold. That said, all the ideas in the post you responded to are excellent but sadly i doubt any will be considered cost effective enough. Many ideas have been ignored only to be pulled out again after a major crash that makes the media for days or weeks where all are lost.

jmo

maybe a better sleuther could find more about how the airlines fight new safety regs based on value per life.

 

[fruity]

Just heard a bit on Fox News that a plane has spotted several debris in water. I had to turn it to watch local news. I'll turn back in a moment. Had to turn so the BF could watch the local weather. I tried to tell him to pull it up on his phone.

I think someone already posted links. From memory a NZ plane saw wooden pallets.

Maybe from the mangosteens? did i get that right? What is the plural of mangosteen? Is it like sheep and fish? Or is an s added??

Eta I got some details wrong but here is the post:

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[PoirotryInMotion]

He backtracked because Boeing denied his claim publicly. They issued a statement saying McInerney's claim was false. Boeing builds planes. It has 175,000 employees. I'm sure many of those employees have many different opinions on many things.

I don't write McInerney off either, but until there is evidence presented that can be verified, it's just more expert speculation. Up to now there has been no tangible evidence either he has true inside knowledge of the fate of MH-370. I understand others give his words more weight than I do. Intelligent minds can disagree here.

I can see why Boeing denied his claim publicly; again, it's the clarifying concerning sources that's particularly important in sensitive issues. And yes, it is just more expert speculation. But why must we malign his speculation over and above other people's? Certainly people will have leanings, and disagree with theories--all the unknowns especially will lead to that. But McInerney's 'expert speculation' is as good as any other expert spec out there at this point...meaning, none of these experts can prove to know anything definitively, but perhaps some of their hunches ought to be at least considered or explored more deeply at some point. It's not a contest. It's a human tragedy that deserves everything we can throw at it to resolve.