Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[popsicle]

This guy talking on CNN now needs to get with the program. This pilot/co-pilot was known to invite people into the cockpit. edit

Tuesday, March 11, 11:30 PM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 13th Media Statement

Malaysia Airlines has become aware of the allegations being made against First Officer, Fariq Ab Hamid which we take very seriously. We are shocked by these allegations.

We have not been able to confirm the validity of the pictures and videos of the alleged incident. As you are aware, we are in the midst of a crisis, and we do not want our attention to be diverted.

We also urge the media and general public to respect the privacy of the families of our colleagues and passengers. It has been a difficult time for them.

The welfare of both the crew and passenger’s families remain our focus. At the same time, the security and safety of our passengers is of the utmost importance to us.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

 

[Plumeria5]

On CNN they showed a map of the radius of how far the plane could have flown. Can anyone find it and post it here, pretty please.

 

[belimom]

Tiny island in the middle of the Strait of Malacca. Pulau Perak.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/P...2!3m1!1s0x304976135f4045a1:0xd79cd6ef07d5bb96

That is tiny:

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And then this adds to the mystery, since Malaysian airlines initially said last contact was 2:40am (which is in line with what the military said), then switched to 1:30am. They knew early on. I think they're trying to avoid liability for a pilot's actions, IMO.

bbm

The Berita Harian newspaper was the first to report this development, quoting the Royal Air Force Malaysia (RMAF) chief General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud as saying they tracked the signal to Pulau Perak on the country's west coast.

"The last time the plane could be traced by an air control tower was near Pulau Perak, which is on the Straits of Malacca at 2.40am.

"After that, the signal from the plane was lost," he said.

Incidentally, Malaysia Airlines first statement on the missing jetliner on Saturday said that air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane at 2.40am but it was later corrected to 1.30am.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...w-reveals-it-tracked-mh370-to-malacca-straits

 

[JerseyGirl]

It's 40 minutes into the flight! You're still waiting for your sprite and peanuts. I really think passengers would have been able to use their cell phones once they passed over land....

Those poor families...the video of them demanding answers from the airline....the tone of their anguish is heart breaking.... just on CNN

Sorry, just venting. :blushing:

I dunno. The flight left well after Midnight, I would assume all of the people on the plane planned on either sleeping or closing their eyes. Once it reached altitude, I'm sure people quickly moved around and settled in for the night.

When I fly I have no clue where the the pilot is going. It's pitch black outside, I'm not sure anyone looking out would even know if the plane was making a wrong turn and it wouldn't raise eyebrows or have anyone call home in the middle of the night to tell family.

 

[Elley Mae]

So I guess that while they knew the plane was off course by 100's of miles no one bothered to contact them and ask why?

 

[belimom]

I dunno. The flight left well after Midnight, I would assume all of the people on the plane planned on either sleeping or closing their eyes. Once it reached altitude, I'm sure people quickly moved around and settled in for the night.

When I fly I have no clue where the the pilot is going. It's pitch black outside, I'm not sure anyone looking out would even know if the plane was making a wrong turn and it wouldn't raise eyebrows or have anyone call home in the middle of the night to tell family.

But I think if a plane made a sharp turn or a u-turn, you'd feel the plane tilting? That's a pretty sharp turn, not just a slight veering to stay on course.

 

[JerseyGirl]

So I guess that while they knew the plane was off course by 100's of miles no one bothered to contact them and ask why?

True. I always follow my families' flights on flightstat. I'm surprised no one
else's family followed it along and noticed the sharp turn and then the disappearance.

 

[JerseyGirl]

But I think if a plane made a sharp turn or a u-turn, you'd feel the plane tilting? That's a pretty sharp turn, not just a slight veering to stay on course.

At the very least, the stewards and/or stewardess would know that sharp turn wasn't right. They would also know if the aircraft was flying low. Why didn't they become alarmed? Surely they weren't sleeping.

 

[belimom]

So I think Malaysian Airlines knew early on about this change of course (remember, they were looking over there but never said why?), decided it must be something one of the pilots did, and backed off the report due to liability.

Gotta run. Real life is calling.

 

[trigger]

Wait..What?? Could they still be alive? I cant go back and read.

 

[belimom]

At the very least, the stewards and/or stewardess would know that sharp turn wasn't right. They would also know if the aircraft was flying low. Why didn't they become alarmed? Surely they weren't sleeping.

They may have, but that far at sea, their cell phones wouldn't work, so there's nothing they could do. Whoever did this may have made sure the flight attendants couldn't do anything anyway.

I can't wrap my head around this.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Wait..What?? Could they still be alive? I cant go back and read.

anything is possible, they still haven't found the plane.

 

[MsFacetious]

So I guess that while they knew the plane was off course by 100's of miles no one bothered to contact them and ask why?

Regular tracking knew the plane disappeared... it was MILITARY radar that has it going off course.
The military wouldn't contact them to ask why.
And it sounds like they wouldn't have answered anyway. :twocents:

 

[Boodles]

There have been so many rumors, I am hesitant to believe anything anymore. Why can't the "senior military official" speak on the record if they know the plane turned around and was spotted via radar in the strait?

This is the strangest incident. I wonder if those people are being held somewhere. But you can't just land a 777 at any old airport; a very long runway would be needed.

But that CNN map showing the circumference of the possible travel area includes some countries which might not cooperate. But then why not claim credit if some bad guys stole a plane and people?

Mind boggling, it is.

 

[belimom]

Regular tracking knew the plane disappeared... it was MILITARY radar that has it going off course.
The military wouldn't contact them to ask why.
And it sounds like they wouldn't have answered anyway. :twocents:

But according to an article I posted above, I think Malaysian Airlines knew. They originally quoted the military's last contact time of 2:40am as the time is disappeared. They also diverted their search to that area very early on - like the next day - without telling anyone why.

 

[JerseyGirl]

... the country’s air force chief, Gen. Rodzali Daud, was quoted in a Malaysian newspaper saying the military had received “signals” on Saturday that after the aircraft stopped communicating with ground controllers, it changed course sharply, from heading northeast to heading west, and flew hundreds of miles across Peninsular Malaysia and out over the Strait of Malacca, before the tracking went blank.

The air force chief did not say what kind of signals the military had tracked. But his remarks raised questions about whether the military had noticed the plane as it flew across the country and about when it informed civilian authorities.

According to the general’s account, the last sign of the plane was recorded at 2:40 a.m., and the aircraft was then near Pulau Perak, an island more than 100 miles off the western shore of the Malaysian peninsula.

That assertion stunned aviation experts as well as officials in China, who had been told again and again that the authorities lost contact with the plane more than an hour earlier, when it was on course over the Gulf of Thailand, east of the peninsula. But the new account seemed to fit with the decision on Monday, previously unexplained, to expand the search area to include waters west of the peninsula.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?_r=0

:banghead:

 

[cuffem]

At the very least, the stewards and/or stewardess would know that sharp turn wasn't right. They would also know if the aircraft was flying low. Why didn't they become alarmed? Surely they weren't sleeping.

possible decompression?

 

[gitana1]

Azharuddin said the search includes northern parts of the Malacca Strait, on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula and far west of the plane's last known location. Azharuddin would not explain why crews were searching there, saying, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."

I knew it! They know more than they are telling the public or families!!

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You DID know it!

I've been trying to research something and have not been able to find the answer. When the Air France flight from Brazil to Paris went missing it took days before they found the wreckage. In reading up on that crash there were systems that sent malfunction warnings to Air France maintenance. Did we know that immediately or just after the wreckage was found.

What I'm getting at is, did the AF plane just disappear for a few days like this one or were there indications of what had happened?

Thanks!

That's what I was trying to piece together. Was this answered definitively?

I suppose almost all the passengers were fast asleep except for ones like me who can never fall asleep on a plane. Had it been daylight I am sure the turn around would have alerted savy passengers to question what was going on. Maybe I will rethink red eye flights from now on.:scared:

Please do not rethink red eyes or any other form of air travel. I usually don't read anything about plane crashes because I had a fear of flying so intense it became a phobia. I took a fear of flying course which was WELL worth the money. (San Francisco Int. Airport). The course recommended never reading anything about these events. But this one is so unique.

In any event, you must know by now, especially looking at all the radar maps, how many thousands of planes are in the sky each minute with no problems. An event like this IS UNPRECEDENTED. IT IS SO RARE that it is almost a statistical impossibility.

Stories like this contributed to my intense fear. I want to make sure that doesn't happen to others. It crippled me for years and kept me from my family. Please, people, don't let this highly unusual anomaly create a climate of fear that affects you. It is illogical to believe that flying is anything but extremely safe. If any other industry was run like aviation is, boy there would be many more billionaires on the planet.

It is simply a rock solid industry when it comes to safety and flying is safer than any other mode of travel. FLYING IS SAFE!!!!!

 

[MsFacetious]

Retweeted by Jon Ostrower
Thom Patterson ‏@thompatterson 1h
NO IN-FLIGHT SVS: Malaysia Airlines' ISP AeroMobile tells CNN's @aaroncooperdc that #MH370 "was never fitted with the AeroMoible service.”

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Okay so what does this mean?
Does it mean that as long as they stay in the plane, they won't be able to use phones?
Does this mean even if this plane was on the ground, people couldn't use their cell phones?
Because that would make it extremely easy to prevent anyone from calling for help... :scared:

 

[JerseyGirl]

Pulau Perak