Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[Sleuthster]

But I have to wonder why there was nothing reported by the plane.. Isn't this a smart plane? wouldn't it read about the gas levels in the plane??

Not sure, they may not be telling us everything.

 

[MsFacetious]

I'm not so sure it crashed,there was no sign of an explosion in the area.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140310

Also raising doubts about the possibility of an attack, the United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none, a U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

They were looking where the plane went off regular radar, not where they are searching now.
(So they were likely looking in the wrong area anyway.)

They were talking about a mid-air explosion.
There likely wouldn't be an explosion if it hit the water.

 

[shadowdancer]

Bumping
Here's a good map of max distance and radius it could have traveled.

That map just appears to show the known flight path of the plane up until it disappeared. I was wondering how far the plane could have flown on for before running out of fuel and if anyone could give a location based on the fuel load and the last known direction of the plane.

 

[angela]

Oh wait I Lied, this is it.

That is scary. It could have easily reached the Middle East.

 

[gitana1]

This is a possibility.

The plane depressurized for some reason, the pilot/copilot tried to take the plane to lower altitude and became incapacitated due to hypoxia. The plane continued to fly until it ran out of gas. This is what happened to Payne Stewart's (golfer) plane.

1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But that's not what happened to his plane. It was flying at altitude due to auto pilot, despite everyone on board likely being dead, and radar clearly knew where it was the entire time as planes intercepted it THREE times during its fatal flight, before it stalled out and crashed.

Question, is it still possible to fly under the radar? Or is that a phrase stemming from old technology?

 

[QueenD]

That is scary. It could have easily reached the Middle East.

That is scary! Never thought of that. Whoa!

 

[SwampMama]

other missing planes in history:

It was 10 days before the discovery of wreckage from Adam Air Flight 574, which had disappeared in 2007 near the island of Sulawesi in Indonesia. Hundreds of search and rescue personnel led by the Indonesian Air Force found no sign of the plane following initial reports of debris on land, and only after a team of more than 3,600 was mobilized -- including a Boeing surveillance plane and two Fokker-50s from the Republic of Singapore Air Force -- was the first wreckage detected in the sea.

Among the most notorious incidents was a Uruguayan Air Force charter flight carrying 45 people, including a rugby team with friends, that crashed in the Andes mountain range in 1972, killing passengers on impact and later from cold and an avalanche. It took 72 days before search crews found survivors, who had fed on bodies preserved in the snow.

An earlier accident in the Andes in 1947 produced no wreckage for 50 years. In that case, Flight CS-59 operated by British South American Airlines disappeared into the mountains on its way to Santiago, Chile, from Buenos Aires. An air and ground search by Chilean and Argentine military found no trace of the aircraft, making the incident one of the unsolved mysteries of aviation for the next five decades until climbers discovered debris at the base of an ice field in 1998, leading to the conclusion that the plane had been dragged slowly along under the glacier during the intervening years.

Glaciers in the region have contributed other finds, with a climbing team on Mount Illimani, Bolivia’s second-highest peak, discovering the wreckage of a Boeing 727 in 2006. The Eastern Air Lines plane had crashed soon after takeoff in 1985, killing all 29 people aboard.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...efuddles-world-that-s-permanently-online.html

BBM. Not being contentious but search crews did not find the Andes survivors. Search crews had long since given them all up for dead and lost. It was the survivors who rescued themselves by sending their own "expedition" to find civilization and to get help.

They had to wait weeks for the snow and weather to clear up and to formulate a plan after they learned that no one was searching any longer.

The survivors who made the expedition hiked for 10 days through the steep mountains and snow to civilization then led the rescue teams back to where the others were.

Had the survivors not taken the initiative to make that incredible effort, none of them would have been found or survived much longer. After 70 days in at the crash site, high in the mountains, with no food except for the deceased, they were not going to make it much longer.

I have read the book "Alive" many times and have such an incredible admiration and respect for those survivors and what they did. (never watched the movies about it, the book is where the true faith, spirit and brotherhood they had is best documented)

 

[Plumeria5]

That map just appears to show the known flight path of the plane up until it disappeared. I was wondering how far the plane could have flown on for before running out of fuel and if anyone could give a location based on the fuel load and the last known direction of the plane.

Check my post upstream a little. I posted a map and a screenshot of CNN's radius map.

 

[Hilda Swenson]

They may have, but that far at sea, their cell phones wouldn't work, so there's nothing they could do. Whoever did this may have made sure the flight attendants couldn't do anything anyway.

I can't wrap my head around this.

Speaking of phones- this from the DM today. More stuff I can't wrap my head around:

WHY ARE THE PASSENGERS' PHONES STILL RINGING?
After three days, wouldn’t the phone batteries be dead by now?
Not necessarily. Smartphones are renowned for their poor battery life and will typically last up to around 24 hours. But the batteries of older phones can last considerably longer.
For example, the Nokia 100 boasts a standby battery life of a staggering 35 days. Smartphone batteries can also last longer if the handset isn’t being used, and especially if the phone is in Flight Mode.
However, if the phone is in Flight Mode, it switches off all wireless activity meaning calls wouldn’t be able to connect, effectively ruling out this theory.

If the phone batteries are dead, wouldn’t the call go straight to voicemail?
In a word, yes. However, the process of sending the call to voicemail can differ depending on the service provider.
For example, the majority of phones will go straight to voicemail, or callers will get an out of service message if voicemail hasn’t been set up.
This will occur even if the phone is underwater, or not near a cell signal.
However, some service providers will ring once or twice before the phone goes to voicemail, or cut off. This may explain the reports that claimed phones rang before seeming to hang up.

Some reports claim the phones are just ringing and ringing though. How is this possible?
Telecoms expert Alan Spencer told MailOnline that if the phones are really ringing, they can categorically not be under the sea.
He added that the phones will only be ringing if they are ‘switched on, not in water, the battery is charged, and [they are] near a mobile cell site.’
This means that if the phones are genuinely ringing, the plane needs to have landed on land – not in the sea – and be in a location where there is cell service, rather than landing in the middle of a jungle, for example.

Why can’t network operators locate the phones?
A number of family members have asked the network operators why they can’t use the phone’s signal to locate the missing people.
Professor William Webb, a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, told MailOnline: ‘The phones definitely won't be working. They'll be underwater, out of coverage and by this time out of battery.
‘So there's absolutely no way they could be used for triangulation.
‘As to why they are ‘ringing’ it'll be the same as if they were out of coverage - in some cases it may ring before going to voicemail.’

What about the T3212 timer I’ve read about?
The T3212 is a timer that causes a phone to periodically send a message to the network saying where it is.
But Professor Webb said this only works when the phone is turned on and it is in coverage. It won't work when the battery is dead.

What about reports that passengers are appearing online, on the QQ social network?
When people sign into social networks including QQ, as well as Facebook, they appear online.
This is the case whether they’ve signed in on a phone, tablet, PC, and laptop.
if missing passengers are shown as online, they may not be using the service on their phone. Instead they may still be logged in on another device.
If this other device shuts down or goes into standby, however, or there is a long period of inactivity, the social network will log them out, which may explain why some accounts went from online to offline over a period of three days.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-ones-smartphones-active.html#ixzz2vgRBM8vm
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[kimi_SFC]

Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course
By Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN
updated 3:00 PM EDT, Tue March 11, 2014

(CNN)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday.
If correct, these are ominous signs that could call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said.
"This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable," said Paul Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board.

Embedded video @ link as well:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Hopefully CNN will update this story with the animation. I will keep checking back because the animation is eye-opening to say the least

 

[PrairieWind]

Payne Stewarts plane crashed a half hour from when they lost contact according to the wiki article. It's possible that this happened too. There was suppose to be 7 hrs of gas? 2:30 when they lost radar would probably be the best point to search.

This also supports my idea that the plane is mostly in tact in the water somewhere because there hasn't been any debris found thus far.

Payne Stewart's plane flew clear across the country, from Florida to the crash site in South Dakota, 4 hours or so if I remember. But even if the 777 did depressurize, why did the transponder go off? The Malasian witnesses that said the saw a low flying plane in the early morning hours fly over the west coast, all reported seeing the plane's lights. So if that was 370, it must not have had a total electrical problems. Strange

 

[Tssiemer]

Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course
By Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN
updated 3:00 PM EDT, Tue March 11, 2014

(CNN)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday.
If correct, these are ominous signs that could call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said.
"This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable," said Paul Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board.

Embedded video @ link as well:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Hopefully CNN will update this story with the animation. I will keep checking back because the animation is eye-opening to say the least

Just saw this on CNN. At a press conference earlier CNN showed family members trying press the people answering questions to tell them all information. Apparently this plea did not work and families are distraught over the amount of time wasted.


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[Tssiemer]

Check my post upstream a little. I posted a map and a screenshot of CNN's radius map.

Yeah I messed up and posted the wrong map.


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[PrairieWind]

A question for anyone familiar with the 777. Years ago a AirTrans A-330 ran out of fuel over the Atlantic. And thus lost all electrical power. It was able to glide to an airport on Tenerife i think. The A-330 had a little propeller that deployed into the wind to generate enough power to communicate and control the plane. Does the Boeing 777 have similar capability to generate minimal electrical power in case of a total engine failure?

 

[trigger]

Payne Stewarts plane crashed a half hour from when they lost contact according to the wiki article. It's possible that this happened too. There was suppose to be 7 hrs of gas? 2:30 when they lost radar would probably be the best point to search.

This also supports my idea that the plane is mostly in tact in the water somewhere because there hasn't been any debris found thus far.

But what about everyones cell phone still working. On Fox they said China there is text message service that say as of yesterday alot these phone were still in operation. lease:

 

[gitana1]

At the very least, the stewards and/or stewardess would know that sharp turn wasn't right. They would also know if the aircraft was flying low. Why didn't they become alarmed? Surely they weren't sleeping.

Flight attendants do not panic or become alarmed, generally, even at such times. They are trained to stay calm for the passengers' sakes.

I'm not so sure it crashed,there was no sign of an explosion in the area.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140310

Also raising doubts about the possibility of an attack, the United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none, a U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

Well, but crashing and exploding are two different things.

 

[Isabelle]

Oh wait I Lied, this is it.

That plane could be in East Africa!

 

[SwampMama]

I think they should call in Robert Ballard to find this plane.

The Woods Hole Institute (or whatever the name is) that Robert Ballard was with is already a part of the search effort. I saw that last night on TV.

 

[gitana1]

A question for anyone familiar with the 777. Years ago a AirTrans A-330 ran out of fuel over the Atlantic. And thus lost all electrical power. It was able to glide to an airport on Tenerife i think. The A-330 had a little propeller that deployed into the wind to generate enough power to communicate and control the plane. Does the Boeing 777 have similar capability to generate minimal electrical power in case of a total engine failure?

Good question. I remember that incident. The pilots were in full contact with air traffic control (or whoever) at all times and were guided in and the plane never went if radar. They sent "mayday" alerts immediately.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's not pretty but I took a picture of the radius from the TV.

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