Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[Momoffourboys]

The air is filled with anger, distrust and disgust, especially among those families. Their agonising wait for credible answers has evolved into hatred.
Meanwhile, aviation experts around the globe have been running us down flat as being lackadaisical and bereft of any clue of how to handle the crisis in any of its facets.
What may be perplexing to international observers is that even in the face of such a catastrophe not a single government agency has come forward to accept any responsibility for what happened on March 8.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2014/04/08/will-mh370-see-the-undoing-of-bn/

 

[mck16]

The air is filled with anger, distrust and disgust, especially among those families. Their agonising wait for credible answers has evolved into hatred.
Meanwhile, aviation experts around the globe have been running us down flat as being lackadaisical and bereft of any clue of how to handle the crisis in any of its facets.
What may be perplexing to international observers is that even in the face of such a catastrophe not a single government agency has come forward to accept any responsibility for what happened on March 8.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2014/04/08/will-mh370-see-the-undoing-of-bn/

Not sure what you mean. How is any country responsible? ty

 

[CARIIS]

Cam1 = Captain
Cam2 co pilot
CAM- other mics in cockpit = Huge info from background noises on the recordings

They typically are about 15 pages:

CAM-1​

ah six fifty one I was doin' I was doin' the outbound I have the seventy
four fifty for the outbound.
10:58:51.5​

CAM-2​

yep.
10:58:51.9​

CAM​

*.
10:58:52.4​

CAM-2​

uh if we * if we miss and we're prior to that two point eight D-M-E we'll do
the left hand turn back around we'll probably hafta' do the whole thing
back around.
10:59:01.9​

CAM-1​

yeah * have to go up to DUNOIR.
10:59:03.7​

CAM-2​

right.

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http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/AAR1201.pdf
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[miley]

trying to find one it was the first ones where they show it going west but then stopping!

Maybe this one?

By the way, why did China show families this flight path a few days ago?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkHimv-CAAAU-iE.jpg

 

[panthera]

I thought one box (data recorder?) maintained many more hours other than the other one...and while conversation might be lost by one, everything else should be stored on the other...?

Flight Data Recorder (FDR) is the "black box" that will record any instructions sent to any electronic systems on an aircraft. The Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) is the one which records over itself every two hours.

In this case I believe they are both important. If there is conversation on the CVR, it would rule out incapacitation by hypoxia and that someone was in charge of the aircraft.



MOO

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you I really believe they had no idea the worlds fascination with this and the story would vanish in two days so they just BSed until they realized oh this is not going away ....

Maybe this one?

By the way, why did China show families this flight path a few days ago?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkHimv-CAAAU-iE.jpg

 

[SouthAussie]

The UK Telegraph reported that the location of these two signals matched the point at which the aeroplane made its final electronic &#8220;half handshake&#8221; with a satellite.

The paper quoted Chris McLaughlin from British satellite company Inmarsat, who said the location of the signals detected by Ocean Shield appeared to coincide with the site when the plane made an electronic transmission at 12.19am (GMT).

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226877442415

 

[SouthAussie]

Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said the effort to find MH370&#8217;s black box will soon head underwater.

But he could not say whether the autonomous underwater vehicle &#8216;Blue Fin 21&#8217; would be deployed today.

&#8220;I would imagine we would be getting very close to that point,&#8221; he told ABC Radio this morning, but argued it can&#8217;t be done while the towed pinger locator is still searching in the area.

When it is deployed it will do 20 hour sweeps to collect data and pictures, he said, but can&#8217;t do both at the same time.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226877442415

 

[SouthAussie]

&#8220;Underwater searching with an autonomous underwater vehicle takes an awful long time so it&#8217;s not like using an aircraft. You literally crawl along the ocean floor.&#8221;

He was asked whether there was anything else, other than a black box, which would explain the signals already picked up.

&#8220;No I don&#8217;t believe so,&#8221; the search coordinator said.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226877442415

 

[Amee]

Jennifer Rajca

Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss described today as &#8220;critical&#8221;, as crews try and reconnect with the signals.
&#8220;The connections two days ago were obviously a time of great hope that there had been a significant breakthrough and it was disappointing that we were unable to repeat that experience yesterday,&#8221; Mr Truss told reporters in Sydney.

&#8220;I understand that they will be using the autonomous vehicle to examine the water in the areas of interest today and I hope that might lead to another breakthrough.&#8221;

The Acting PM said it was important to pursue the black box search with &#8220;great vigour&#8221;, expressing hope the battery lasts longer than expected.

&#8220;Let's hope that today we are able to build on the work of a couple of days ago and help better establish what happened in the last moments of this flight.&#8221;

He argued the leads authorities have managed to achieve already, without finding wreckage, were &#8220;remarkable&#8221;.

&#8220;We will certainly be taking every available opportunity that we can to bring this search to some degree of finality,&#8221; Mr Truss concluded.

 

[Amee]

NO FURTHER SIGNALS

Jennifer Rajca

Air Chief Marshall Houston has told Radio 3AW he was concerned that there haven&#8217;t been any further signal detections today.

&#8220;The worry we have is that we haven&#8217;t been able to reacquire it,&#8221; he told 3AW radio.

&#8220;Underwater searching with an autonomous underwater vehicle takes an awful long time so it&#8217;s not like using an aircraft. You literally crawl along the ocean floor

 

[CARIIS]

and CVR - and a tour of thier labs were they do their thing!

Tour of NTSB flight-data and cockpit-voice recorder laboratories - YouTube

 

[ilovepierre]

I don't know. Isn't there a diagram of the passengers and where they were seated on the plane?

Not that's been released.
All we've seen is the passenger manifest, but it never showed seat locations.
Would a "jump seat" pilot even be on the manifest? IIRC, you can get on the plane minutes before takeoff. Even then, you still might not get on the plane.
So it could be possible there was a pilot in a "jump seat."

 

[ElleElle]

Not sure what you mean. How is any country responsible? ty

Countries are not necessarily government agencies? MAS, Boeing, no one has accepted responsibility because no one knows. :dunno:

 

[ilovepierre]

Yes, or someone else. The Iranians look a little too young to have that type of experience. IDK. I guess one of them looks older, but the other one (with the cut-off legs), looks pretty young.

However, what if ONE person was doing the piloting, ANOTHER was the assistant - you know, handling all the passengers, etc.?

In fact, I think it definately needed 2 people, probably even more if this was hijacking. Like 3 at least. 2 at very minimum. But you would only need 1 with piloting experience.

JMO.

An assistant wouldn't be needed if who ever was in control of the plane flew high enough to cause hypoxia in all the passengers.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like they saw an alien and then lost sight of him and are now trying to locate him/it again...

 

[CARIIS]

Here is a NTSB public hearing - after there investigation, on major accidents they review their finding for public.

The beginning is introductions!

But enlightening about how all this happens!

http://ntsb.capitolconnection.org/121113/ntsb_archive_flv.htm

 

[ElleElle]

and CVR - and a tour of thier labs were they do their thing!

Tour of NTSB flight-data and cockpit-voice recorder laboratories - YouTube

Saved this for a doc movie day.

I feel :sick:, might have to stay home tomorrow. Watch OP trial.

 

[SouthAussie]

Listen to Angus Houston's full interview with Radio National Breakfast

Tuesday 8 April 2014 8:05AM
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/angus-houston-most-promising-lead/5374120

Guests
Angus Houston - Co-ordinator of the search for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, Former Australian Defence Force Chief

Reporter
Mike Woods

 

[Amee]

Australian Defence Minister to give press conference on #mh370 in 1 hr.