Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #4

[Snoods]

I keep forgetting about the transponder being turned off...[/QUOT

I really think at this point I am going back to military radar, that the plane turned around, was in control and somewhere along that path landed.

The "milt radar" scenario IMO at this point makes the most sense. It accounts for no debris at what was the initial event, it correlates in terms of time 2:40 with ALL the first reports.(Instead of the 44 minutes that emerged much later)..That in itself is compelling no?

What are the odds of first in error reporting that contact was lost at 2:40, then hours later move it back to 44 minutes after takeoff and then days later THAT radar track was reported to be off at 2:40???

Daylight savings time? Just kidding, forgive me.

 

[popsicle]

I keep forgetting about the transponder being turned off...[/QUOT

I really think at this point I am going back to military radar, that the plane turned around, was in control and somewhere along that path landed.

The "milt radar" scenario IMO at this point makes the most sense. It accounts for no debris at what was the initial event, it correlates in terms of time 2:40 with ALL the first reports.(Instead of the 44 minutes that emerged much later)..That in itself is compelling no?

What are the odds of first in error reporting that contact was lost at 2:40, then hours later move it back to 44 minutes after takeoff and then days later THAT radar track was reported to be off at 2:40???

One of the experts was explaining on CNN today how the radar would have been picking up a reflection off the water. This was after it supposedly made it's turn, turned off the transponder and dropped low.

 

[ilovepierre]

Not true. Tell my last pilot that.

I know it happens, but they're not supposed to be.
If this incident with this plane was due to the pilot/co-pilot smoking, then it's going to have to be enforced a lot more.

If passengers can't smoke, then neither should pilots. It's a safety thing.

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if MH370 really did make that u-turn and went off the west coast of Malaysia.

Me too now!

 

[mom-a-licious]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but some are pointing out that the reason China is releasing such blurred images is because they don't want the world to know how sophisticated their satellite systems are but what is there to hide? It's well known that a country such a China would have the capability to get a much more close-up and sharper image, anyone who wants to can get sharper/closer images of their neighborhood street on Google maps satellite views---I can see the top of my car parked in front of my house in sharp, close up focus, even the shrubs in planters in front & back of the house, and other small details---so why would they hide sharper images if they have em?

 

[ElleElle]

Daylight savings time? Just kidding, forgive me.

CARIIS/Snoods :loveyou: You might onto something!

Daylight Savings Time! That could also be why the oil rigger guy did not know the exact time.

Maybe something malfunctioned during DST switch?

 

[ilovepierre]

Daylight savings time? Just kidding, forgive me.

It wouldn't make for a bad theory except for two things:

1. Malaysia doesn't observe DST.
2. DST goes into effect early Sunday morning.

 

[ElleElle]

It wouldn't make for a bad theory except for two things:

1. Malaysia doesn't observe DST.
2. DST goes into effect early Sunday morning.

Does Vietnam or China observe DST?

 

[CARIIS]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but some are pointing out that the reason China is releasing such blurred images is because they don't want the world to know how sophisticated their satellite systems are but what is there to hide? It's well known that a country such a China would have the capability to get a much more close-up and sharper image, anyone who wants to can get sharper/closer images of their neighborhood street on Google maps satellite views---I can see the top of my car parked in front of my house in sharp, close up focus, even the shrubs in planters in front & back of the house, and other small details---so why would they hide sharper images if they have em?

So agree, they all are so paranoid - everyone spying on everyone everyone already knows -- now they are in a real jam. Cause if it comes out that if they did not do all this dancing they could have saved people.........

 

[popsicle]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but some are pointing out that the reason China is releasing such blurred images is because they don't want the world to know how sophisticated their satellite systems are but what is there to hide? It's well known that a country such a China would have the capability to get a much more close-up and sharper image, anyone who wants to can get sharper/closer images of their neighborhood street on Google maps satellite views---I can see the top of my car parked in front of my house in sharp, close up focus, even the shrubs in planters in front & back of the house, and other small details---so why would they hide sharper images if they have em?

Not sure what you mean exactly. Could she show me an example perhaps? j/k

 

[ilovepierre]

CARIIS :loveyou: You might onto something!

Daylight Savings Time! That could also be why the oil rigger guy did not know the exact time.

Maybe something malfunctioned during DST switch?

Malaysia doesn't observe DST and it the day is wrong anyways. DST didn't take effect until early Sunday morning. The flight went missing early Saturday morning.

 

[Snoods]

Malaysia doesn't observe DST and it the day is wrong anyways. DST didn't take effect until early Sunday morning. The flight went missing early Saturday morning.

I didn't know that, ilovepierre! I was really only half kidding, but who knew?

 

[sleuthasaurus]

Hi all, long time lurker first time poster. I just have a few qs-

Can anyone confirm when the 'new' Chinese satellite image was taken? For all we know, and taking into account something I read about this image being withheld for days due to the Chinese not wanting to disclose how well they have the area monitored, this image could have been taken only a couple of hours after the crash.

The point I am trying to assert, I guess, is that several days later this stuff is likely to have sunk OR anything that still could float would have been carried away on a current. Can they not take the coords info from the rigger and add local knowledge of ocean currents and start there?

And what are the capabilities of the planes/ships looking for the missing fuselage, ie can they use a radar to find large metal objects in the depths of the water, and if so, what kind of range do they have? Just curious to know if anyone has this info. One would assume that military vessels would be equipped to identify enemy submarines from several kms away, so can this technology be used to find the fuselage?

 

[ilovepierre]

Does Vietnam or China observe DST?

Neither of them observe DST

 

[Soulmagent]

Yep! It's the code from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur.

So if I were a pilot , if I could not talk to a control tower due to say whatever but could turn my plane arround , If I changed my code to MH371 they would know where I was going?

 

[Chilly Willy]

I think it's almost too big a coincidence that something catastrophic happened to the plane causing the transponder to cease functioning and the plane to disappear during the brief moments between when the plane flew out of range of Malaysian radar and was supposed to be picked up by Vietnamese radar. Really, what are the chances?

 

[ilovepierre]

I didn't know that, ilovepierre! I was really only half kidding, but who knew?

Well I figured I'd straighten it out before everyone ran with at as a possible theory

 

[Chilly Willy]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but some are pointing out that the reason China is releasing such blurred images is because they don't want the world to know how sophisticated their satellite systems are but what is there to hide? It's well known that a country such a China would have the capability to get a much more close-up and sharper image, anyone who wants to can get sharper/closer images of their neighborhood street on Google maps satellite views---I can see the top of my car parked in front of my house in sharp, close up focus, even the shrubs in planters in front & back of the house, and other small details---so why would they hide sharper images if they have em?

Maybe the images the authorities are working with are clearer, it could be that what we're seeing are copies of copies that have lost definition.

 

[sherbetjello]

Hi all, long time lurker first time poster. I just have a few qs-

Can anyone confirm when the 'new' Chinese satellite image was taken? For all we know, and taking into account something I read about this image being withheld for days due to the Chinese not wanting to disclose how well they have the area monitored, this image could have been taken only a couple of hours after the crash.

The point I am trying to assert, I guess, is that several days later this stuff is likely to have sunk OR anything that still could float would have been carried away on a current. Can they not take the coords info from the rigger and add local knowledge of ocean currents and start there?

And what are the capabilities of the planes/ships looking for the missing fuselage, ie can they use a radar to find large metal objects in the depths of the water, and if so, what kind of range do they have? Just curious to know if anyone has this info. One would assume that military vessels would be equipped to identify enemy submarines from several kms away, so can this technology be used to find the fuselage?

China obviously won't release the true picture that they have, for obvious (tension) reasons in this region. Every news source I have seen has laid thick on that it was from Sunday, which makes some sense when it's being beamed back from satellite.

[editing this cause my SO said that it's highly possible these images are from earlier or later, depends on how much (or lack there of) china wants to give away with their satellite photos; location, high rez, time, date, etc.]

This area of the world isn't that deep in water, IIRC. So, sonar shouldn't be an issue. There are several vessels on the way, even though I have heard conflicting accounts of who is going.

IF this wasn't a terror attack, which I think it's not, broadcasting to the media where and when for everyone sort of lines all the ducks up the row . .

I posted some info of what I heard on CNN earlier today, what and who was going out. The media was quick to smear the confusion butter on it in just a matter of minutes.

I don't know if it's language that is causing the confusion, or how quickly public can now get their hands on information, or just slip with people in the media.


Just wish the plane would be found. Really going on a long time, the longest, of not knowing what happened to a commercial airliner.

 

[ilovepierre]

So if I were a pilot , if I could not talk to a control tower due to say whatever but could turn my plane arround , If I changed my code to MH371 they would know where I was going?

Possibly. I don't know for sure how airline codes work, but each route a plane takes has a specific flight code. It's the same code for that route (and with that specific airline). MH370/371 was specifically for the Malaysian Airlines route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and then back to Kuala Lumpur.

Any pilots (or former) who would be able to answer this better?