Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #4

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sleuthasaurus said:
Hi all, long time lurker first time poster. I just have a few qs-

Can anyone confirm when the 'new' Chinese satellite image was taken? For all we know, and taking into account something I read about this image being withheld for days due to the Chinese not wanting to disclose how well they have the area monitored, this image could have been taken only a couple of hours after the crash.

The point I am trying to assert, I guess, is that several days later this stuff is likely to have sunk OR anything that still could float would have been carried away on a current. Can they not take the coords info from the rigger and add local knowledge of ocean currents and start there?

And what are the capabilities of the planes/ships looking for the missing fuselage, ie can they use a radar to find large metal objects in the depths of the water, and if so, what kind of range do they have? Just curious to know if anyone has this info. One would assume that military vessels would be equipped to identify enemy submarines from several kms away, so can this technology be used to find the fuselage?
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Ha! Confuselage, funny!

:welcome5:

And I'll let someone more knowledgeable answer your questions :seeya:
 
ilovepierre said:
Well I figured I'd straighten it out before everyone ran with at as a possible theory :P
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Too late ..

I am missing an hour ,it happened arround the time the plane went missing..and my DD had a dream that 1000 people died on a plane .

If you add the flight number to the passagers number you get 1004 . Well there are 4 passagers that were not on the plane making the total 1000. I dont know how my hour fits into it.YET.
 
sleuthasaurus said:
Hi all, long time lurker first time poster. I just have a few qs-

Can anyone confirm when the 'new' Chinese satellite image was taken? For all we know, and taking into account something I read about this image being withheld for days due to the Chinese not wanting to disclose how well they have the area monitored, this image could have been taken only a couple of hours after the crash.

The point I am trying to assert, I guess, is that several days later this stuff is likely to have sunk OR anything that still could float would have been carried away on a current. Can they not take the coords info from the rigger and add local knowledge of ocean currents and start there?

And what are the capabilities of the planes/ships looking for the missing fuselage, ie can they use a radar to find large metal objects in the depths of the water, and if so, what kind of range do they have? Just curious to know if anyone has this info. One would assume that military vessels would be equipped to identify enemy submarines from several kms away, so can this technology be used to find the fuselage?
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Glad you came out of the shadows - if they can do that with this aircraft that would be awesome.
 
Chilly Willy said:
Maybe the images the authorities are working with are clearer, it could be that what we're seeing are copies of copies that have lost definition.
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And. lets not forget that this "gang" evidently do not know how to work z zerox machine (passport kids photos) so sat image well...............
 
If the Chinese debris turns out to not be our plane, then what? Back to square one?
 
Chilly Willy said:
I have a wait and see attitude. Apparently the plane didn't go west as was reported, yet we had 8 witnesses who believed they may have heard it crash in the west. Even the oil rig guy doesn't sound certain of what exactly he saw but I will admit he sounds more credible than anyone else who has come forward at this point.
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The 8 witnesses were in Marang, which was on the east coast of Malaysia. They reported hearing a loud noise from the general vicinity of Pulau Kapas Island (see map)--which puts the loud noise slightly north and east of Marang (out in the ocean off the east coast).



Chilly Willy said:
One thing that makes me question the oil rigger's story is that he neglected to give a precious, or even general, time when the event he witnessed supposedly occured. He comes across as a very detail oriented person, yet all he said about the time is that it seemed about right (or something along those lines). It just strikes me wrong.
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True, and it'd be nice if he had an exact time of when he saw that. But think of being a witness to that. You don't know necessarily that what you're seeing is going to be a jumbo jet that everyone is looking for the next day. I'm guessing it made am impression but he didn't feel spurred to do anything about what he saw until after the first news reports, when he realized what he saw might be significant to an airliner disappearance. He could reconstruct about where he saw it happen from his rig (and certainly supply rig coordinates and other detailed, personal data), but the exact time, probably not (and if he were detail-oriented, he wouldn't try). Except to say that it was the same general time in hindsight. JMO, and gut instincts, but I trust his account to be an honest telling of what he felt he saw. Whether or not it's of the plane we're all looking for remains to be seen, but his account as written seems credible enough.

Sleuthasaurus, the debris was photographed by Chinese satellites on the 9th. Sadly, it is bound to be much further away 3-4 days later due to currents and wind, etc. It's still going to be like looking for a needle in a haystack (if the debris hasn't sunk by now). :-/
 
mom-a-licious said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but some are pointing out that the reason China is releasing such blurred images is because they don't want the world to know how sophisticated their satellite systems are but what is there to hide? It's well known that a country such a China would have the capability to get a much more close-up and sharper image, anyone who wants to can get sharper/closer images of their neighborhood street on Google maps satellite views---I can see the top of my car parked in front of my house in sharp, close up focus, even the shrubs in planters in front & back of the house, and other small details---so why would they hide sharper images if they have em?
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My dad's theory is that the US knows where the plane is, but we don't want anyone knowing how closely we "monitor" that area.
 
Snoods said:
Ha! Confuselage, funny!

:welcome5:

And I'll let someone more knowledgeable answer your questions :seeya:
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There capabilities are stunning. They send down like mini subs with cameras. On the ship the guy uses like joy sticks to move the arms around on the sub. It kinda like crab legs.

They lift up stuff, tie it to ropes to bring it to surface all kinds of stuff. Obviouly depth of water huge imapact in terms of time etc.

But I have seen video of Swiss Air on the floor of the ocean, they dragged up like 98 percent of TWA 800, they ultimatly found Air France and years ago the Russians were able to get the black box from KAL 007

If they can locate stuff, they will go down and first thing is try to find the black boxes, then depending on depth etc , what they reveal determine if they want to try salvage other parts to either prove or disprove a hypothesis about what transpired.

It is amazing stuff actually..............
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzuV570Hk0"]The Truth behind the Crash of Air France Flight 447 (Full Documentary) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Chilly Willy said:
I think it's almost too big a coincidence that something catastrophic happened to the plane causing the transponder to cease functioning and the plane to disappear during the brief moments between when the plane flew out of range of Malaysian radar and was supposed to be picked up by Vietnamese radar. Really, what are the chances?
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Well, what are the chances of it falling off the radar as well.

Perhaps the plane did not fall off the radar, maybe something else happened at the tower end which could be why the Malaysians are withholding information. :waitasec:
 
PoirotryInMotion said:
The 8 witnesses were in Marang, which was on the east coast of Malaysia. They reported hearing a loud noise from the general vicinity of Pulau Kapas Island (see map)--which puts the loud noise slightly north and east of Marang (out in the ocean off the east coast).





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Thank you for the correction. Looking at a map of the flight plan and the last confirmed location of the plane, it seems impossible for the 8 witnesses to have heard a noise related to the aircraft from such a distance unless the plane had turned back toward them at some point after disappearing from radar. But then noise travels at night so who knows. Didn't they say they heard the noise at 1:30? That wouldn't have left time for the plane to come back toward them.
 
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