Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[Waddles]

giving immediate financial assistance to families, haven't looked at financial compensation yet until they know what happened

 

[alioop]

Hi, newbie to this forum. Bear with me please while I ask a couple of questions that may have already been answered in earlier threads. I don't understand what the last pinged satellite position reveals. So why was it the last known position? Why did it not continue pinging? How long between pings? If it crashed after that last ping then that makes sense to me but they are saying it could have kept flying along one of 2 corridors. But would it have continued to ping satellites? If not why not?

 

[Waddles]

plane took off with planned fuel, no additional fuel

 

[Waddles]

took away pilot's simulator from his place and they are analysing it

 

[newone]

You're pretty much right Fruity

They are two separate systems, transponder is a simple "switch" in the cockpit that can be set as different "frequencies" or "off" - it is in all GA registered and Military aircraft.

The ACARS System is totally different and would require a little more knowledge to switch off - and a good deal of forethought to have switched it off. It's not something someone would just do in a spare of the moment event... someone has put some thought to it.

It's not that I'm suggesting it's overly difficult, its more a case of most people would not have immediately thought of it without prior knowledge and again I don't believe a pilot in the heat of the moment would not have done this as a suicide thing when, if he was really *that* suicidal and wanting to make a point, he could have just pranged the plane there and then, rather than fly it on for 7hrs before crashing it etc..

I'm getting to the point with this whole case where I am reluctant to make any further calls on what may or may not have happened, initial posts back 6 threads ago sum up my position that is:

"I believe they know where this plane is, was and always have - military radar knew it and there are multiple systems on board that relay this information, aside from ACARS and the Transponder. They're playing games for some reason..."

"The USA diddn't spend $2Billion on each of their stealth bombers just to see a commercial airliner fly like a ghost through international airspace undetected"

"In a day and age where purpose built for silent operations and stealth aircraft and nuclear submarines go to great lengths not to be detected, but within minutes, can be - in a day and age where Kim Jong and his mates let off a few firecrackers in the back yard to celebrate another day of oppression and we know how many they let off and what type they were and what colour they were - They sure as hell know where an aircraft the size of a 777 that is flying in an area of growing military tensions around countries that are already super paranoid at just under the speed of sound is..."

Happy to answer technical questions re: aircraft, aircraft systems and general military capability's in the region - but I'm reluctant to come up with any solid answers on what "I" think may or may not have happened here... the situation is very dynamic now with the facts being reported in MSM either complete fabrications or based on what I believe are false to start with and are hence only going to lead to skewed answers....

Alert, but not alarmed

I concur - a lot of blarney and bluster just in time for St Patricks Day (the motive behind not saying where the plane is)I don't have an aviation background but my B.S. meter is running in the red zone

 

[Waddles]

this is very hard to hear!

 

[alioop]

You're pretty much right Fruity

They are two separate systems, transponder is a simple "switch" in the cockpit that can be set as different "frequencies" or "off" - it is in all GA registered and Military aircraft.

The ACARS System is totally different and would require a little more knowledge to switch off - and a good deal of forethought to have switched it off. It's not something someone would just do in a spare of the moment event... someone has put some thought to it.

It's not that I'm suggesting it's overly difficult, its more a case of most people would not have immediately thought of it without prior knowledge and again I don't believe a pilot in the heat of the moment would not have done this as a suicide thing when, if he was really *that* suicidal and wanting to make a point, he could have just pranged the plane there and then, rather than fly it on for 7hrs before crashing it etc..

I'm getting to the point with this whole case where I am reluctant to make any further calls on what may or may not have happened, initial posts back 6 threads ago sum up my position that is:

"I believe they know where this plane is, was and always have - military radar knew it and there are multiple systems on board that relay this information, aside from ACARS and the Transponder. They're playing games for some reason..."

"The USA diddn't spend $2Billion on each of their stealth bombers just to see a commercial airliner fly like a ghost through international airspace undetected"

"In a day and age where purpose built for silent operations and stealth aircraft and nuclear submarines go to great lengths not to be detected, but within minutes, can be - in a day and age where Kim Jong and his mates let off a few firecrackers in the back yard to celebrate another day of oppression and we know how many they let off and what type they were and what colour they were - They sure as hell know where an aircraft the size of a 777 that is flying in an area of growing military tensions around countries that are already super paranoid at just under the speed of sound is..."

Happy to answer technical questions re: aircraft, aircraft systems and general military capability's in the region - but I'm reluctant to come up with any solid answers on what "I" think may or may not have happened here... the situation is very dynamic now with the facts being reported in MSM either complete fabrications or based on what I believe are false to start with and are hence only going to lead to skewed answers....

Alert, but not alarmed

I have been thinking the same thing about a suicidal terrorist pilot. Why fly all over the place for hours. Turn around and crash the plane somewhere where it will be filmed like 9/11 and make your point.

 

[lawstudent]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced either the U.S. knows exactly where that plane is, or it's in the ocean.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

I was surprised when they said pax wouldn't realise the plane was changing course. Maybe it's just me but whenever I've flown I've always been acutely aware of the plane altering altitude or heading. When a plane takes off or lands it feels to me like it's bumping up and down steps, and there's always a pressure shift when it banks. First time my then-b/f and I flew somewhere he was amazed that I knew when we started a gradual descent ahead of preparing to land.

I suffer vertigo and travel sickness, so maybe I'm more sensitive? I'm scared of taking off/landing but fine once we're at cruising altitude, nose to the window.

 

[Waddles]

Discussing all the places suitable of landing, will they search these landing strips one by one. They have identified specific areas and will all be checked by vessels and aircraft. The areas concerned are massive and involves coordination with many countries

 

[newone]

Apparently, the reason Malaysian authorities were not forthcoming with info is they resented the US trying to be involved and were very angry about it. Apparently, it was THEIR investigation.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/aucklan...sent-at-us-domination-of-flight-investigation

Watching how the Malaysian government has (not) dealt with this responsibily is akin to watching a 7 yr old play soccer when he doesn't know the rules

 

[fruity]

Wow there is a LOT of information at this link.

http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/tr...mid-hijack-fears/story-fnizu68q-1226856077160

After raiding the homes of the Captain and co-pilots of the missing plane, Malaysia’s Transport Ministry said that they were examining an elaborate flight simulator taken from the home of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

They took two laptops last week and have been examining them. One of them had information from the simulator.

A statement also said they were investigating engineers who may have had contact with the plane before it took off.


Meanwhile, British media are speculating the plane’s disappearance could also be linked to al-Qaeda. It comes after al-Qaeda informant Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, told a court that a group of Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door. Security experts said his evidence was “credible”.

It's worth clicking and reading - I had to cut a heap of it to keep to the 10% rule. There's a lot more at the link.

 

[Waddles]

they say investigation ongoing on crew members, passengers cleared, not being considered suspicious

 

[newone]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced either the U.S. knows exactly where that plane is, or it's in the ocean.

they know where it is and the Malaysians are too annoyed about writing the check

 

[Waddles]

but on the other hand they say they are still investigating everyone
they are trying to rush people along, not answering questions thoroughly

 

[Waddles]

reporter: was ACARS disabled before "all right good night" or after? Yes disabled before

 

[Waddles]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26599975#TWEET1073478

 

[Waddles]

they keep forcing on to the next question

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

If this is an act of terrorism then so far it is hugely effective. Headline news for a week with barely a fact. Multiple countries are being dragged in, their abilities or lack of exposed. Nothing scares and fascinates Joe Public more than a mystery that could happen to them. All the theories have a question mark over them.

Suicide is the only one I'm inclined to discount at this point because I just don't see why you would go to this extreme (switching off ACARS etc, giving someone else time to negate your actions).

 

[Waddles]

the info covers huge ground, they hope parties will come forward and assist in narrowing the area to more feasible