Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #3

[ElleElle]

Yep give me a sec, will upload larger photoshop files .. doesn't help much .. original is of bad quality ..

Funny there are no dates, just signatures. hmm

 

[CARIIS]

I think it's their way to show the Western World that they are legitimate and doing the right thing. :eyeroll:

Help me get this : what , from there world view are they like "celebrating" I am sure Moscow told em to return to owner but was the celebration about?

Richard feels safe - the boxes say "Do Not Open" on them! Whew! Now we know they have not been opened the decal says do not!

I.e A sign in a bank that says : No robberies allowed on premises!

 

[BJsleuth]

The bodies of MH17 victims will be received by senior Australian officials in Ukraine's second biggest city, before being flown to the Netherlands.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/22/mh17-bodies-heading-netherlands

 

[SouthAussie]

From Malaysian MSM ....

"Here they are, the black boxes," Borodai told a room packed with journalists at the headquarters of his self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic as an armed rebel placed the boxes on a desk.

“I can see that the black boxes are intact, although a bit damaged. In good condition,” Colonel Mohamed Sakri of Malaysian National Security Council said in extending his thanks to “His Excellency Mr.Borodai” for passing on the recorders.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...crash-ukraine-rebels-hand-black-boxes-downed-

 

[Little Jedi]

I think we understand that the media we read is as biased as anywhere else, which is why we're trying to source from as many different places as possible .. people here aren't just watching Fox and CNN and taking that as the given, in fact from what I can tell most people here are fairly skeptical of their local media and looking to more direct sources where possible .. we've even been trying to translate Russian press to see what the people there are reading.

Oh it's not just CNN/Fox it's seems pretty much widespread throughout MSN

Here's the Russian Military Press Conference ( shown live in Russia/parts of Europe )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs#t=44

ETA ~ Has an English Translator

 

[SouthAussie]

Four days after the Boeing 777 came crashing down into the fields of eastern Ukraine, the black box recorders from flight MH17 were finally handed over to the Malaysians at a surreal night-time ceremony in Donetsk.

Almost 12 hours after negotiations between the so-called Donetsk People's Republic and a Malaysian delegation began, a group of somewhat bewildered looking Malaysians were given the two black boxes .....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels

 

[CARIIS]

Does anyone know if the train went thro the place with bombs and murders going on yet - and if not what time EST (pls!) that should happen I just fear soemting will be messed with ???? Wanna know if when we have passed that part in terms of the events we have all shared with one another the last week

quite a ride huh?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Ok but .....:wink:
Your assuming the media *you* see/read is telling the actual truth ?

For example (originally posted on previous thread) this was reported yesterday on Slovakian & Norwegian TV

Slovakian TV/Media Reports

' Forensic experts examined the bodies from the crash of the aircraft transferred to refrigerated wagons-in Torez.'

" I am impressed with the work that is done here," said Van Vielt after visiting the scene of the accident.'

" Dutch experts say that the bodies were disposed of in an appropriate manner, " said a spokeswoman for the OSCE Oleška, speaking of the bodies from the crash were transported in wagons Temperature in Torez.'

* Dnevnik*
(English: The Daily) is a daily newspaper published in Ljubljana, Slovenia. It was first issued in June 1951

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnevnik_(Slovenia)

English Translation (Google) :

http://tinyurl.com/q432pth

I don't see how leaving the crash victims out in the elements for three or more days as being handled in an appropriate manner. Maybe they have lower standards as to what is deemed "appropriate".

 

[Dr. Know?]

Was there any proof yet on the 38 or 39 bodies removed about 20 or more hours before Saturday? Could be why some bodies looked cared for. Mortician.. I read many tweets. Time might be off too but it felt like an all day wait on Saturday and part of Sunday for anything positive in gaining access for recovery.

jmo

 

[Little Jedi]

Funny there are no dates, just signatures. hmm

Yeah it's just 'symbolic'
There's no real/legal purpose for it

If you look you can see the 'punch pocket' edge.

 

[BJsleuth]

Something just occurred to me. Is there anyone besides the Ukrainians and Russians who might have done this? To divert attention of the world or perhaps someone else who has an interest in the war there and it's outcome?

 

[CARIIS]

In the pics of the "train" anyone see anyathing that looked like refrigge equipment, to keep boxcars that size between 22 and 32 F seems like some pretty big equipment needs to be on the top or somewhere

body bags inside the train were tagged using a numbering system and stored at a temperature between 0C and -5C. Experts from several countries including the UK are in Kharkiv. The Dutc

Ty to poster who found this
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels

good piece in terms of the latest see saw!

 

[Bravo]

Ok but .....:wink:
Your assuming the media *you* see/read is telling the actual truth ?

For example (originally posted on previous thread) this was reported yesterday on Slovakian & Norwegian TV

Slovakian TV/Media Reports

' Forensic experts examined the bodies from the crash of the aircraft transferred to refrigerated wagons-in Torez.'

" I am impressed with the work that is done here," said Van Vielt after visiting the scene of the accident.'

" Dutch experts say that the bodies were disposed of in an appropriate manner, " said a spokeswoman for the OSCE Oleška, speaking of the bodies from the crash were transported in wagons Temperature in Torez.'

* Dnevnik*
(English: The Daily) is a daily newspaper published in Ljubljana, Slovenia. It was first issued in June 1951

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnevnik_(Slovenia)

English Translation (Google) :

http://tinyurl.com/q432pth

I was speaking to the black boxes. No body under any circumstance should be left to the elements in a crime. IMO this was a crime scene.

 

[BJsleuth]

In the pics of the "train" anyone see anyathing that looked like refrigge equipment, to keep boxcars that size between 22 and 32 F seems like some pretty big equipment needs to be on the top or somewhere

body bags inside the train were tagged using a numbering system and stored at a temperature between 0C and -5C. Experts from several countries including the UK are in Kharkiv. The Dutc

Ty to poster who found this
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels

good piece in terms of the latest see saw!

Yes, that's what I thought! But, if you look at the carriages, just before the end, there is what looks like a vent. To the side of that is a small door, I'm assuming the refrigeration is in there. I have a family expert in trains but unfortunately they're not contactable at this time to confirm for me.

 

[CARIIS]

Must admit not what I was expecting!

link

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[BJsleuth]

I was speaking to the black boxes. No body under any circumstance should be left to the elements in a crime. IMO this was a crime scene.

It depends on the context. Perhaps they didn't have the bags etc to put the bodies in and had to bring them in. Maybe he means they did the best they could with what they had?

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, that's what I thought! But, if you look at the carriages, just before the end, there is what looks like a vent. To the side of that is a small door, I'm assuming the refrigeration is in there. I have a family expert in trains but unfortunately they're not contactable at this time to confirm for me.

If easily avail can you post pic - I want to see TIA! those temps are COLD



You all are awesome!

 

[Little Jedi]

I don't see how leaving the crash victims out in the elements for three or more days as being handled in an appropriate manner.
Maybe they have lower standards as to what is deemed "appropriate"

It was "appropriate" enough for the Dutch Experts & OCSE Spokesperson !


Just in case you weren't fully aware :

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ixB4q8qLHRtc.jpg

It's in the middle of a WAR ZONE !

 

[CARIIS]

Something just occurred to me. Is there anyone besides the Ukrainians and Russians who might have done this? To divert attention of the world or perhaps someone else who has an interest in the war there and it's outcome?

In the state of world at this time anything is possible A N Y TH I N G ! Scary and sad actually god can you imagine the standard of living the world could enjoy if noone needed a defense system Wow

we would all be millionaires!

 

[ElleElle]

Does anyone know if the train went thro the place with bombs and murders going on yet - and if not what time EST (pls!) that should happen I just fear soemting will be messed with ???? Wanna know if when we have passed that part in terms of the events we have all shared with one another the last week

quite a ride huh?

I sure hope they don't mess this up and act out some dignity and respect. re: transporting deceased.

To be honest, I don't believe they will. There is alot of international pressure at the moment.

JMO.