Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #3

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Tweet from @YahooNews - 2h

Everything you need to know about the growing crisis in #Ukraine, WATCH: http://t.co/ZMuSTHKbIY #MH17 #Russia
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http://t.co/cBmhY9ZPLL



http://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/493448810190761984

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So how did a failed deal between Ukraine and the EU lead to months of protests, the rise of a rebel force, and ultimately, the crash of a commercial airliner?

Hopefully watching this helps you understand the recent history so as this story develops you’ll be able to say Now I Get It.


Embedded video featured @KatieCouric explaining the history behind Russia, the Ukraine, Crimea, and events leading up to #MH17. Worth watching :moo:
 
Tweet from @jonostrower - 19m

WSJ ANALYSIS: Black Boxes' Age Could Mean Limited Data, May Only Provide Sketchy Picture
http://t.co/zb0m88k4Mx (w A. Pasztor @R_Wall) #MH17

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/493557713641541632

(snip)

With lack of security seriously compromising the on-site probe into Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, hopes of getting clear-cut answers from its "black box" recorders also may end up a major disappointment.

The devices are older versions likely to provide only limited information regarding the sequence of events following the presumed missile strike on the plane, according to air-safety experts.


Both the flight-data and cockpit-voice recorder were manufactured in the mid-1990s, years before regulators mandated that such devices on new jetliners include larger memories, faster recording speeds and backup battery power in case onboard electrical systems suddenly fail.

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration didn't mandate retrofits of backup power.
The result, these experts said, is that investigators are likely to end up with sketchy data about the seconds immediately after the ground-to-air missile hit. The cockpit-voice recorder may not have much beyond the sounds of the impact, they said.

The age of the recorders combined with the extent of damage to the plane, according to outside experts, also means that investigators may not get a clear-cut pattern of cascading equipment failures as the fuselage of the Boeing 777 is assumed to have ruptured, with parts breaking off and the aircraft subsequently plummeting to the ground, killing all 298 people aboard.

Malaysia Airlines and Honeywell International Inc., which made the recorders, said the devices didn't have any backup electrical power. If the initial impact of the missile severed critical electrical and computer connections to the front of the plane, the cockpit-voice recorder would have stopped working within one-quarter of a second, according to industry officials.

"The plane probably lost much of its electrical power almost immediately," according to Alan Diehl, a former Pentagon and U.S. National Transportation Safety Board investigator. "Unlike most accidents, I don't think the recorders are going to help explain very much" about pilot reactions or the plane's disintegration.

(MuchMore@Link)
 
Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Victim's father, 93, dies of 'broken heart'

THE HAGUE (AFP) - Downed flight MH17 has claimed another victim in a 93-year-old man who succumbed to the "indescribable grief" of losing his daughter, son-in-law and two grandchildren in the crash, family have said.

Mr Hendrik (Henk) Palm, from the northern Dutch town of Roden, died "after the indescribable grief of losing his daughter, Erla (Palm), son-in-law Rob (van der Linde) and grandchildren Merel and Mark" in the Malaysia Airlines crash, family members said in a death notice carried by De Stentor regional newspaper.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...roken-heart-201#sthash.c8fsLOhd.ijR4s1FB.dpuf

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panthera said:
Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Victim's father, 93, dies of 'broken heart'

THE HAGUE (AFP) - Downed flight MH17 has claimed another victim in a 93-year-old man who succumbed to the "indescribable grief" of losing his daughter, son-in-law and two grandchildren in the crash, family have said.

Mr Hendrik (Henk) Palm, from the northern Dutch town of Roden, died "after the indescribable grief of losing his daughter, Erla (Palm), son-in-law Rob (van der Linde) and grandchildren Merel and Mark" in the Malaysia Airlines crash, family members said in a death notice carried by De Stentor regional newspaper.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...roken-heart-201#sthash.c8fsLOhd.ijR4s1FB.dpuf

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This snip just shattered my heart:

"Dear Mr Palm, that you had to die of a broken heart. But hopefully you have now been reunited with your daughter," wrote one, who signed off as "A mother". :no:

:tears:

:cry:

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kimi_SFC said:
This snip just shattered my heart:

"Dear Mr Palm, that you had to die of a broken heart. But hopefully you have now been reunited with your daughter," wrote one, who signed off as "A mother". :no:

:tears:

:cry:

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Bless him. Certainly he is resting peacefully in Heaven now, reunited with his family for eternity.
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Tweet from @StateDept (Verified Twitter Feed of the US State Department) - 5h

Today, Secretary @JohnKerry called Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov to discuss #Ukraine, #MH17, and more. Readout:
http://t.co/bZGT5gutGY

http://twitter.com/StateDept/status/493557768532402176

(snip)

"During a phone call this afternoon, Secretary Kerry urged Foreign Minister Lavrov to stop the flow of heavy weapons and rocket and artillery fire from Russia into Ukraine, and to begin to contribute to deescalating the conflict.

He did not accept Foreign Minister Lavrov’s denial that heavy weapons from Russia were contributing to the conflict.

See more at: http://blogs.state.gov/stories/2014...-foreign-minister-lavrov#sthash.3gcAW2oJ.dpuf
 
I followed a tweet from CNN Español that led me to this. Another WSer posted about this truly heartbreaking story upthread about this about this youngster.

Here is a detailed write up about his family. Both he and his brother were lost on #MH17!!:cry:

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Did this boy have a premonition of the MH17 crash?
Dutch child, 11, asked his mother 'what would happen to me if I died' the night before he was killed in tragedy
By Jill Reilly
15:57 23 Jul 2014, updated 13:57 24 Jul 2014

-Miguel Panduwinata and his older brother, Shaka, both died on the flight
-'How would you choose to die? What would happen to my body,' he asked
-Mother Samira Calehr said 'I should have listened to him'
-A mother whose 11-year-old son died on the fateful MH17 has revealed the night before he was due to fly he asked her what would happen if he was to die.

-Samira Calehr says she was in a bedroom at her townhouse near Amsterdam, when her son Miguel Panduwinata reached out and said: 'Mama, may I hug you?'

Ms Calehr wrapped her arms around her son, who had been oddly agitated for days, bombarding her with questions about death, about his soul, about God.

:tears: :tears: :tears:

(Embedded video and MuchMore@Link)

http://t.co/rUWvia39sY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 
kimi_SFC said:
I followed a tweet from CNN Español that led me to this. There was one post upthread about this heartbreaking story about this youngster. Here is another. Both he and his brother were lost on #MH17 :cry:

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Did this boy have a premonition of the MH17 crash?
Dutch child, 11, asked his mother 'what would happen to me if I died' the night before he was killed in tragedy
By Jill Reilly
15:57 23 Jul 2014, updated 13:57 24 Jul 2014

-Miguel Panduwinata and his older brother, Shaka, both died on the flight
-'How would you choose to die? What would happen to my body,' he asked
-Mother Samira Calehr said 'I should have listened to him'
-A mother whose 11-year-old son died on the fateful MH17 has revealed the night before he was due to fly he asked her what would happen if he was to die.

-Samira Calehr says she was in a bedroom at her townhouse near Amsterdam, when her son Miguel Panduwinata reached out and said: 'Mama, may I hug you?'

Ms Calehr wrapped her arms around her son, who had been oddly agitated for days, bombarding her with questions about death, about his soul, about God.

:tears: :tears: :tears:

(Embedded video and MuchMore@Link)

http://t.co/rUWvia39sY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Russia posted pitures of the older boy on their website showing he was a model and the picture of him after the crash was a fake. At least they didn't post his little brothers picture too.I hope mom never sees either picture.
I wish they weren't allowed to post such lies like that. :(

All posts are MOO
 
gngr~snap said:
Russia posted pitures of the older boy on their website showing he was a model and the picture of him after the crash was a fake. At least they didn't post his little brothers picture too.I hope mom never sees either picture.
I wish they weren't allowed to post such lies like that. :(

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That is absolutely inhuman! :stormingmad:

I hadn't heard that had happened! I don't have words that will keep me from earning a T/O :censored:

Their mother has been through far too much, when you really stop to process it :hearno:

It is mind-boggling, and I can only pray that she is able to make it through. :please:

:praying:

My heart breaks over and over again, truly.....

:cry:
 
Saw this beautiful image and am hoping it is ok to bring it to the thread. Hoping ZaZara will translate the tweet for us :please: (and that its content is not in violation of TOS)....


:candle:

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Tweet from @Henk_Pestman - 7h

Moet je nu eens zien wat een indrukwekkend kunstwerk @LuisinaJuliete heeft gemaakt...! 298 vlinders... #MH17
http://t.co/WrnO8ZndEf
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http://twitter.com/Henk_Pestman/status/493639050029699072

ETA:
I found the original artist's tweet:

#mh17 #flightmh17 #victims #grief #nowords #tribute http://t.co/eTjIAYzq9X

http://twitter.com/LuisinaJuliete/status/492691626691948544

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To her, I can only send my sincerest :tyou:!!!!!
 
Malaysia marks grim Eid after MH17 crash

POSTED: 28 Jul 2014 12:21

KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia on Monday (28 July) marked a solemn Eid al-Fitr, Islam's biggest festival, as families of those aboard downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 mourned the dead.

Prime Minister Najib Razak expressed his "extreme sadness, most profound sympathy and deepest condolences" to MH17 families, as well as relatives of those aboard another Malaysia Airlines jet, MH370, that went missing on March 8.

"Of course, I am able to feel and imagine what they would be going through when, upon waking up on the morning of Eid al-Fitr, their loved ones are not with them," he said in a televised address late Sunday.

Forty-three Malaysian passengers and crew were among the 298 people aboard flight MH17, which is believed to have been shot down by a missile over violence-wracked eastern Ukraine on July 17. None on board survived.

Eid marks the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, and is usually a joyful time of family gatherings and feasting. Some 60 percent of Malaysia's 28 million people are Muslim.

Najib, a Muslim himself, had said he would try to bring back the Malaysian victims' bodies before Eid, but officials have said it could take weeks more as the remains so far recovered are in Netherlands for identification and forensic work.

In his speech, Najib reiterated his promise to bring back the remains "as soon as possible for burial". Some remains are still believed to be at the crash site. Most of those aboard the Boeing 777 were Dutch, and Amsterdam is leading the investigation into the disaster.

"I WON'T CELEBRATE WITHOUT YOU"


Diyana Yazeera, daughter of MH17 chief stewardess Dora Shahila Kassim, posted on Twitter late Sunday that Eid, referring to it in the Malay language as Raya, would not be the same. "Mummy, this year's raya and the upcoming ones, well will not be raya. Im not gonna celebrate it without you," she posted. "Stop asking me to be strong. Its so hard to do."

MuchMore@Link
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/asiapacific/malaysia-marks-grim-eid/1285758.html?cid=FBINT
 
Another very moving article from the Wall Street Journal. They are excelling with their sensitive, considered and very informative coverage of this case, in my opinion. Fatima's parents found the wing nearest where she had been sitting, they think. They didn't find their daughter though.

I hadn't realized the Australian parents of Fatima were orginally from Germany. I think maybe they have accepted now that Fatima is not alive and they can't help her there. But this family really needs some proof of her death, or they'll never find any peace.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/at-malaysia-airlines-crash-site-parents-seek-answers-1406507979
 

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'Roughly 300 yards away, the overhead compartment above their daughter's seat—20D—rested, just out of their view, in a tangle of weeds and purple-and-white wildflowers. The Dyczynskis didn't see the piece of evidence. They only learned of it a day later'

'Mrs. Rudhart-Dyczynski, a psychologist and scientist, said she didn't want condolences: "I want the facts.'

http://online.wsj.com/articles/at-malaysia-airlines-crash-site-parents-seek-answers-1406507979
 
The timing is probably just coincidental, but this morning at The Hague, a Dutch Court has ordered Moscow to pay $50 billion in compensation to shareholders in the Russian oil company, Yukos.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/28/us-russia-yukos-idUSKBN0FW0TP20140728

ETA: I believe the decision could have a significant effect on Dutch/Russian relations at the moment, and may have an indirect effect on negotiations to access the crash site in Ukraine too.
 
Increased military activity has put an end to MH17 investigations for now. A film crew filmed military vehicles (a lot of them) being driven down the streets into the area of MH17 and the people all leaving in fear. They said it would be too dangerous to try to get to MH17 for the present time.
It look like things are hotting up.
 
"DISTRAUGHT Australian relatives of Malaysia Airlines MH17 victims have been asked to provide intimate information about their smallest loved ones, at a time when their grief is most raw.

Because many of the victims on the doomed July 17 flight were children, police and health workers visiting relatives around the world have asked for treasured children’s finger paintings or other items that may contain prints such as baby bottles.

Footprints of the children, taken from the children’s rooms or bathrooms, may have also been taken.

If identification is still a problem in the coming weeks, officials may be forced to request neonatal blood samples that may have been preserved from birth."

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ings-and-bottles/story-fnizu68q-1227003475361
 
INVESTIGATION DISASTER PROGRESSING

De Volkskrant reports:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3152...d-We-zijn-al-heel-ver-met-ons-onderzoek.dhtml


Translation:

The investigation into the circumstances of the disaster still gets plenty of attention, Wim van der Weegen, the spokesman for the National Dutch Safety Board in Kiev said. 'The misunderstanding prevailing in The Netherlands is that we can do nothing as long as we do not unobstructed access to the crash site, but that is certainly not the case. We are already more than a week full swing at our jobs with approximately 35 people. '

At a ' normal ' disaster in an orderly country, such as the crash of the plane of Turkish Airlines at Schiphol in 2009, the investigation will of course start on site. Now investigators have so far been forced to limit their task to the inventory of the flight data, radar and satellite images, air traffic control conversations and content of the black boxes. ' With that information we are getting far', says Van der Weegen. ' This means that we can search for specific additional information once we can move freely on the crash site. A sweep over the entire area with debris will no longer be necessary. '

BBM

Great news to start the week!

I have said it before and I will say it again: This is a different kind of operation.
Things will go differently from what we are used to.
Keep your eyes on the ball.
It may not be in corners where you expect it to be, but it is rolling.
 
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