Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #1

[Sarahlou]

Leading explanation has to be sexual abduction. She was either lured or forced out of the accomodation window, kidnapped and probably bundled into a mode of transport and driven well away from the area.

The police now need to focus on those window fingerprints and establish whether any other recent footprints have been left behind near the window. Without CCTV footage, the case will naturally be harder to crack unfortunately.

Sadly I think this is most likely. Maybe she had come downstairs for whatever reason and someone was lurking around outside. Still seems unlikely though but all the options do.

 

[Blamhappy]

If this girl really did exit the accomodation on her own accord and went outside on her own she would not have got very far without shelter, water or food in this hot and humid equatorial country. Forest terrain is trecherous and extremely difficult for someone that apparantly has walking problems.

This is a non starter. She would have been found closeby dead or alive by now.

Leading explanation has to be sexual abduction. She was either lured or forced out of the accomodation window, kidnapped and probably bundled into a mode of transport and driven well away from the area.

The police now need to focus on those window fingerprints and establish whether any other recent footprints have been left behind near the window. Without CCTV footage, the case will naturally be harder to crack unfortunately.

I understand what you mean, but I can't make sense of abduction either. Neither theory makes sense.

I think if she wandered, there's a strong chance she ended up in the water, and people take ages to be found in water.

The police seem to be focusing on the bushy area though.

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

Fully agree with this!

Hotel staff etc are the people too look to next, who takes bookings? Was it specified nora needed extra care etc ...

The biggest question in my eyes that has not been brought up would be what are her sleeping arrangements at HOME? Are there any special precautions u take? Does she sleep on lower floor?
it seems like mom and dad travel for work and leisure
Does she usually have a nanny (after school)?
Do the siblings get on or does nora acquire more attention leading to jealousy?? ......all only IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

They never actually confirm anything though do they?
Is it definitive that she was in her underwear?

According to her parents, she went to bed in her underwear. That's what was reported.
But she apparently can dress herself, although she has trouble with buttons.
But I would think if there were any clothes or other items missing, it would have been reported. Unless I missed it.

 

[Blamhappy]

My gut instinct tells me n came downstairs when it was light enough to go to the loo or get a drink of water. She sees a cat/dog outside that she had made friends with earlier in the day. Opens the window to pet it. Follows it. I don't think she has gone very far at all they need to concentrate searching within close proximity to where she was staying. My gut tells me she is so close to the chalet

I'm bouncing around different thoughts, but your theory sounds logical.

 

[Blamhappy]

According to her parents, she went to bed in her underwear. That's what was reported.
But she apparently can dress herself, although she has trouble with buttons.
But I would think if there were any clothes or other items missing, it would have been reported. Unless I missed it.

It was actually reported that there weren't any clothes missing, so you're correct.

 

[Mercsw]

If this girl really did exit the accomodation on her own accord and went outside on her own she would not have got very far without shelter, water or food in this hot and humid equatorial country. Forest terrain is trecherous and extremely difficult for someone that apparantly has walking problems.

This is a non starter. She would have been found closeby dead or alive by now.

Leading explanation has to be sexual abduction. She was either lured or forced out of the accomodation window, kidnapped and probably bundled into a mode of transport and driven well away from the area.

The police now need to focus on those window fingerprints and establish whether any other recent footprints have been left behind near the window. Without CCTV footage, the case will naturally be harder to crack unfortunately.

Don’t relate lack of evidence for abduction. They are uncovering bodies from world war 2 in these jungles...and they were mere feet from towns and villages. It’s dense and flexible. Trees and foliage doesn’t break or show tracks, the humidity and heat destroys scents, the rain takes whatever is left and you wouldn’t see someone a few feet away if they are on the ground. I hope she has been abducted as we are in the no chance of survival range now for survivalists let alone a 15 year old girl with learning difficulties and mobility issues. An abduction gives us a chance

 

[therion20]

Fully agree with this!

Hotel staff etc are the people too look to next, who takes bookings? Was it specified nora needed extra care etc ...

The biggest question in my eyes that has not been brought up would be what are her sleeping arrangements at HOME? Are there any special precautions u take? Does she sleep on lower floor?
it seems like mom and dad travel for work and leisure
Does she usually have a nanny (after school)?
Do the siblings get on or does nora acquire more attention leading to jealousy?? ......all only IMO

What does this mean and why is it relevant to her disappearance?

 

[Blamhappy]

Don’t relate lack of evidence for abduction. They are uncovering bodies from world war 2 in these jungles...and they were mere feet from towns and villages. It’s dense and flexible. Trees and foliage doesn’t break or show tracks, the humidity and heat destroys scents, the rain takes whatever is left and you wouldn’t see someone a few feet away if they are on the ground. I hope she has been abducted as we are in the no chance of survival range now for survivalists let alone a 15 year old girl with learning difficulties and mobility issues. An abduction gives us a chance

Very good points.

 

[dotr]

An intruder could have entered the home (one way or another) thrown something like a blanket over Nora's head, then wrapped it around her body, thus immobilizing and silencing her.
He could have propped open the window and lowered Nora down with rope/cable ect.into a waiting vehicle, inconspicuous container like a garbage can ect., or into an accomplice's arms.
speculation, imo.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I’d like to know what makes that window so difficult to open, and I’d also like to know why they seem so concerned about “unknown” fingerprints in a vacation cottage that’s used by probably at least dozens of people every year.

I thought the same thing when I saw the window. I must have missed it if photo posted before. It almost looks like you could walk right out of it. I had to go back and search for a better photo and found this:

Police in Malaysia have released photos of a hotel room window they say was found propped open at the holiday resort where Nora Quoirin went missing.

They now believe the 15-year-old Brit schoolgirl could only have left her family’s plush vacation cottage through the window, say reports.

Officers released the pictures from the cottage’s living room and the gaping window where unknown fingerprints were reportedly discovered earlier.

“Only the glass window exit was used. We are certain about this,” a police officer told Malaysian media earlier today.

Police are now investigating claims the “prints” belong to an outsider, as Nora’s family believe she was almost certainly abducted.

It is not yet known whether the window could even have been opened from the outside, police revealed.
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Snipped from a very detailed article
Child protection expert Jim Gamble compared Nora Quoirin’s disappearance to that of Madeleine and Ben Needham — who both disappeared on family holidays.

“Ultimately, the cases of children going missing abroad are so rare that we tend to know the names of all of them,” said Mr Gamble, who investigated Madeleine’s disappearance.

“This is now one of three cases that are similar … Ben Needham, who went missing many years ago, Madeleine McCann, who is still on everybody’s minds, and now Nora.”

Mr Gamble also believes those involved in the search should put politics “to one side” to help the family, who are going through everybody’s “worst nightmare”.

Mr Gamble added he hoped police used a “belt and braces” approach during the “golden hours” after Nora was first reported missing on Sunday.
New clue in search for 15-year-old Nora Quoirin

 

[therion20]

Parents of Brit teen missing in Malaysia are considering offering a reward

EXCLUSIVE: Nora Quoirin's devastated parents Meabh and Sebastien were last night considering offering a cash reward in a desperate bid to help find the 15-year-old

The parents of a teenager who has gone missing in Malaysia are considering offering a cash reward.

Officers from Scotland Yard and the National Crime Agency are helping in the hunt for British teen Nora Quoirin.

The team is also co-operating with Irish officers, who are understood to have hostage and kidnap specialists on standby if it is proved the 15-year-old was abducted.

A spokesman for the Irish-French Quoirin family said: “I’m delighted to see support deployed.”

Parents Meabh and Sebastien were last night considering offering a reward after hundreds of volunteers spent an eighth day searching the Malaysian jungle.

If the family, of Balham, South West London, do offer a reward, they may choose to use money from two online funds set up by relatives.




Nora's devastated parents Meabh and Sebastien were last night considering offering a cash reward in a desperate bid to help find her (Image: Daily Mirror)
Police searching for Brit girl, 15, missing in jungle check on known paedophiles
The accounts had last night raised nearly £100,000.

Another source said: “They think it may help but are taking thorough advice. They’re going through hell.”

Jim Gamble, ex-chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, is advising the family. He has urged them to consider an incentive, saying it may “prompt someone’s conscience”.

Negeri Sembilan state police chief Mohamad Bin Mat Yusof said he had spoken to Nora’s parents about the possibility. He also confirmed the opening of a Malaysian hotline.



Nora's father Sebastian meets Deputy Inspector General of Malaysian Police Mazlan Bin Mansor (Image: Daily Mirror)
Nora has the brain condition holo-prosencephaly, which makes walking and caring for herself hard.

She was last seen at the holiday cottage on Saturday August 3 after arriving with Meabh, 45, and Sebastien, 47, and siblings Innes, 12, and Maurice, eight.

Police, who say they have no leads, believe barefoot Nora left through a window. Her dad raised the alarm at 8am the following day.

Her family believe she must have been abducted and have told how the severity of her disability means she “does not go anywhere alone”.


The family’s own hotline number has received hundreds of calls.

Dad Sebastien, a data analysis firm salesman, yesterday met the country’s deputy inspector general of police Mazlan Bin Mansor, who gave a speech to some of the 296 search workers and volunteers.

An NCA spokeswoman said: “The National Crime Agency, the Met Police and An Garda Siochana are working together.”

 

[MsBetsy]

I’d like to know what makes that window so difficult to open, and I’d also like to know why they seem so concerned about “unknown” fingerprints in a vacation cottage that’s used by probably at least dozens of people every year.

Only fresh finger prints would be a concern, I'm assuming.
They can differentiate between prints that have been there recently or from a week ago, I think. Definitely from a month or before. Imo

 

[Blamhappy]

An intruder could have entered the home (one way or another) thrown something like a blanket over Nora's head, then wrapped it around her body, thus immobilizing and silencing her.
He could have propped open the window and lowered Nora down with rope/cable ect.into a waiting vehicle, inconspicuous container like a garbage can ect., or into an accomplice's arms.
speculation, imo.

It's just too far fetched though, isn't it? If they had been there for a week, I'd find it all easier to believe, but to figure this out with less than 24 hours just seems too much of a stretch. If it's opportunistic, I'd expect a history of break ins or thefts at the resort.

 

[therion20]

It's just too far fetched though, isn't it? If they had been there for a week, I'd find it all easier to believe, but to figure this out with less than 24 hours just seems too much of a stretch. If it's opportunistic, I'd expect a history of break ins or thefts at the resort.

If they expressed to any member of the staff that they are very very tired after an 18 hour trip and will probably sleep like babies you don't need 24 hours to plan a robbery. JMO.

 

[Blamhappy]

If they expressed to any member of the staff that they are very very tired after an 18 hour trip and will probably sleep like babies you don't need 24 hours to plan a robbery. JMO.

But the post I quoted was a planned abduction, not a planned robbery. I find it too far fetched.

 

[Hjp]

I'm thinking she may have unexpectedly woken up during the night, (perhaps for a restroom visit or a drink) and was spotted by the abductor outside in her undies and lured to the window perhaps by tapping, strange noise or something else.

If an abductor broken into the accomodation via the window and retrived Nora directly from her bed and took her:- this in my opinion carries a greater level of risk, and this assumes that the abductor knew Nora was there and where to find her. So I doubt that it happened like that.

To disappear in the dead of night under the cover of darkness and quietness. All signs point to opportunistic sexual abduction.

My feeling is that she could be anywhere on the Malaysian peninsula at this stage. I do not anticipate the police will find this young girl dead in the brush. I'm certain she's been taken either from the window or shortly afterwards and is still alive OR dead somewhere further afield.

 

[therion20]

But the post I quoted was a planned abduction, not a planned robbery. I find it too far fetched.

Oh sure I agree with you about the planned abduction. My theory is that if she was abducted is because she caught someone inside the home and they took her. A little far fetched as well since they might not want to turn a robbery into a kidnapping . But you never know.
JMO.

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

What does this mean and why is it relevant to her disappearance?

Jesus, is not everything relevant at this point?

 

[therion20]

Jesus, is not everything relevant at this point?

I don't think speculating on her relationship with her younger siblings, which are victims as well in this whole deal is relevant to her disappearance. But that's just my opinion .