Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #1

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Malaysian police have set up a hotline dedicated to receiving information about teenager Nora Quoirin who has been missing for a week.

Police officers announced the new hotline in Malaysia - 0111 2285058 - on Sunday.
Police set up new hotline to find missing Nora

Officers from Scotland Yard and the National Crime Agency are helping in the hunt for British teen Nora Quoirin.

The team is also co-operating with Irish officers, who are understood to have hostage and kidnap specialists on standby if it is proved the 15-year-old was abducted.

A spokesman for the Irish-French Quoirin family said: “I’m delighted to see support deployed.”
Parents of Brit teen missing in Malaysia are considering offering a reward
 
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Its several pages back. A Dutch couple heard a rustling outside, but didn't go out its so dark. Also, reporter ask at press conference about villagers hearing a truck, LE said, he had not heard that.

It would be great to have an accurate timeline. You may need to look thru the thread as LE orginially stated the upstairs window was open and later clarified it was downstairs window. Many articles have various times of arrival.

LE releases no I formation other than...she's lost in the jungle.
LE not answering questions about abduction or reward.

Good luck, N needs all the help she can get....but LE is radio silent except for lost in the jungle theory.
That’s what I mean
Lots of supposition but not a lot of corroborated factual information being released and shared. Was it an upstairs window? Or a downstairs window? A mezzanine floor with beds up and down but classed as one room ? The owners clarify on their website that none of the doors to the accommodation are able to be locked ?? So who was keeping watch ? It just doesn’t make sense at all and the local tribesmen and women who are experts in their jungle terrain are convinced that she is not there . I know who I would believe with that information and it isn’t the Police ... they , the indigenous people are experts within their territory. Then why no tracker scent ? Or virtually non existent.
I understand that the family don’t want the whole thing running away with them and then accusations being made a la McCanns but if what we are being told is correct, then they don’t appear to be doing all they can to further the investigation but in all fairness that could be incorrect reporting or legal people getting involved. Where are you Nóra
 
I just find it really difficult to judge based on the little information that is being shared
To me, it’s not been fully clarified as to their attendance together as a family unit, individually witnessed , unless I have missed that fact
There seems to be a lot of supposition but not a lot of factual information being relayed
I honestly think that we need to go back and start again from the time of their flight leaving the UK and ascertain if anything happened on the flight or who they spoke with etc
They have had insufficient time in the resort IMOO for anybody considering abduction, to ascertain movements etc
However, that doesn’t negate an opportunistic abduction but in all the years of operating the resort, there have been no other instances of anything remotely like that happening ( as far as we are being told ).

Then if what is being reported is accurate, why are the 8 and 12 year old not being interviewed properly on recorded devices with properly trained police officers ( even if they are brought over from the UK). If they shared the room with Nóra , they will be a wealth of information that they may not even realise is important. It only takes one piece of a jigsaw for it all to slot into place . And what is with the comment from the sibling about seeing Nóra go through the window and then that comment being rescinded? . Are the parents being fully cooperative to maximise information flow ? So many worrisome questions and issues for me at this present time.

The children were interviewed, initially.

My thought on one of the children saying she went out the window....

Everyone was very upset. Guest initially volunteered to searched, per Dutch couple. I think as folks were coming in and out initially the kids may have heard people say...well, she went out the window.

We do not how the children were questioned. Malaysia has some unusual laws on speaking out, and one article quoted LE saying, you can be put in jail. I posted several articles related to this and 11 people were jailed for a SM post on our friend **** book.

All this, links, and much discussion are in the previous posts.

JMHO...
 
COPS searching for missing Irish teen Nora Quoirin in the Malaysian jungle are investigating reports a truck was heard in the area on the morning she disappeared.

Negeri Sembilan police chief Mohamad Mat Yusop said yesterday that no missing person had ever been reported in the area in the past decade, except for hikers who lost their way in the jungle.

He said police are investigating all angles, including reports that villagers heard the sound of a truck early on the morning the girl was reported missing.

Detectives have searched the homes of staff working on the resort and have interviewed the taxi driver who picked up the family from Kuala Lumpur Airport last week.

Investigators from Malaysia’s Bukit Aman — the country’s equivalent of the FBI — are also investigating known paedophiles and other criminals in the holiday resort.

Video included.
Nora Quoirin cops probe reports truck was heard in area on morning she vanished
 
New clue in search for 15-year-old Nora Quoirin

Speaking on behalf of the family, Matthew Searle of the Lucie Blackman Trust (LBT) told The Sun Online: “She would not have been able to open the window on her own, and it was found propped open”

I’ve noticed in the picture of Nora sitting next to her mother that her hands are in a clinched position. This would add credibility to the above claim.

As to the unidentified prints on the window,
They could belong to anyone who ever worked on or cleaned the cabin or any number of previous guests. Even if the make ready crew always wipe the inside of the windows, I doubt that they thoroughly scrub the trim and locking mechanism in between every guest stay. To me, the fingerprints found are irrelevant.
 
Can I ask a question that is delicate in nature but is without malice or judgement? Has there been any independent corroboration of Norahs presence in the company of her family, at the resort accommodation? I know it’s been said that they checked in around 7am Saturday which is a little unusual because check in is not until 2pm/1400 hrs and looking at review feedback, they seem to be strict with this timeline due to a rolling road of constant bookings so one lot of visitors checkout, room cleaned up and fresh bedding/towels/refreshments etc and new visitors checked in .... What did they do during the day? What time did they retire for the evening after a long 15hr flight? I wonder what airline they flew with and if there were any issues onboard the aircraft? Or is it possible that they were followed from the airport to the resort ? I’m just trying to establish a bit of a timeline that starts from leaving the UK as opposed to it starting from the time of the alleged abduction. And before I am shot down in flames for saying ‘alleged’, it’s purely a cover all statement in the absence of confirmed facts .
Thank you in anticipation and as usual it’s all JMOO

I almost asked the same question last night. We don't have CCTV footage of Nóra leaving, but do we have CCTV footage of Nóra arriving with the family?

Yes, she was seen. I'm sure that's the first thing LE,would have ask.

They are staying two weeks, so the room may have already been paid for that day. I've paid in advance, with a late check in and checked in at 2 or 3 am when traveling. On one occasion I had a flight delay and didn't get to hotel til 7am. If you pay and guarantee the room, you pay whether you show up or not. Frequent travelers are accustomed to this, it is not unusual.

JMHO

She was seen by who? I don't recall anyone stating seeing her. Thanks in advance.

There was the Dutch person who saw them at the pool (or was it the playground) in the early evening Saturday. Article from one or two days ago.

Them, as in the family, or Nóra? Because it's one thing to realize there's a new set of guests there, but did the person actually notice Nóra? Was the person able to say "oh yes, I totally saw this girl"?
 
My theory is its been 8 days now, the dogs or the large amount of people looking cant find her so i reckon its abduction. The marks at the top right of window looks like hand marks where someone has steadied/balanced themselves to get in. Cleaners would of not left those marks on a window before a family is coming to stay. Would have had a weapon and told Nora to be quiet or your dead and took her to the road area where shes driven off, this person gets money for handing her over to whoever wanted her. Someone must have been stalking/watching them until they went to bed. Maybe thats was the suspicious rustling was and then the suspicious vehicle around 3am on the road. Dogs picked her smell up within 100ft of the house which could be the route taken to the car with the kidnapper. Malaysian police should of been off the missing in the Jungle rubbish a while ago.
 
My theory is its been 8 days now, the dogs or the large amount of people looking cant find her so i reckon its abduction. The marks at the top right of window looks like hand marks where someone has steadied/balanced themselves to get in. Would have had a weapon and told Nora to be quiet or your dead and took her to the road area where shes driven off, this person gets money for handing her over to whoever wanted her. Someone must have been stalking/watching them until they went to bed. Maybe thats was the suspicious rustling was and then the suspicious vehicle around 3am on the road. Dogs picked her smell up within 100ft of the house which could be the route taken to the car with the kidnapper. Malaysian police should of been off the missing in the Jungle rubbish a while ago.
Welcome to Ws David M, interesting theory!
 
That’s what I mean
Lots of supposition but not a lot of corroborated factual information being released and shared. Was it an upstairs window? Or a downstairs window? A mezzanine floor with beds up and down but classed as one room ? The owners clarify on their website that none of the doors to the accommodation are able to be locked ?? So who was keeping watch ? It just doesn’t make sense at all and the local tribesmen and women who are experts in their jungle terrain are convinced that she is not there . I know who I would believe with that information and it isn’t the Police ... they , the indigenous people are experts within their territory. Then why no tracker scent ? Or virtually non existent.
I understand that the family don’t want the whole thing running away with them and then accusations being made a la McCanns but if what we are being told is correct, then they don’t appear to be doing all they can to further the investigation but in all fairness that could be incorrect reporting or legal people getting involved. Where are you Nóra


Initially the grandfather did speak out, now radio silence.

After hours researching this government, laws/political/religious views, sex trafficking, organ theft, others missing and most importantly the video of the mother speaking. I watched this over and over. She chose her words very carefully, how impressed she was with the search, etc and then she looks over at the chief of police, who is watching her...like did I do Ok.

MOO, N was abducted, she doesn't have the ability to get out the window. With her diagnosis, she wobbles when she walks, can't cross her midbody line (can't cross her hands or arms across to the other side, a brain thing) and lacks the ability to reason. She is trained and can do some task, but she can't button her shirt, how the heck does she climb out a window in,pitch black?

JMHO...from the beginning
 
Meanwhile, the Tunku Besar Seri Menanti Tunku Ali Redhauddin Ibni Tuanku Muhriz today met with SAR personnel working who were still at work tracing Nora Anne, in spite of the Hari Raya Aidiladha celebrations.

On a related matter, the police chief said an order had not been issued to resort operators in the area to suspend outdoor recreation activities such as scaling Gunung Berembun - on the contrary, Mohamad said people were encouraged to continue with their excursions as they might come across signs related to Nora Anne’s disappearance which would help the search and rescue efforts.

While the search area encompasses a four-kilometre radius from the location of the teenager’s disappearance, the police chief said there were also plans to search the mountain area but this had not been finalised.

According to Bernama observations since Monday, tourists passing through the area had stopped to enquire for news of the teenager and to express their sympathy over the situation.
Police hotline activated for information on Nora Anne
 
My theory is its been 8 days now, the dogs or the large amount of people looking cant find her so i reckon its abduction. The marks at the top right of window looks like hand marks where someone has steadied/balanced themselves to get in. Cleaners would of not left those marks on a window before a family is coming to stay. Would have had a weapon and told Nora to be quiet or your dead and took her to the road area where shes driven off, this person gets money for handing her over to whoever wanted her. Someone must have been stalking/watching them until they went to bed. Maybe thats was the suspicious rustling was and then the suspicious vehicle around 3am on the road. Dogs picked her smell up within 100ft of the house which could be the route taken to the car with the kidnapper. Malaysian police should of been off the missing in the Jungle rubbish a while ago.


I so agree...and like, like like!!!
 
Who is Nora?

Nora Anne Quoirin is 15-years-old, 5ft 1” tall, of slight build, with shoulder-length wavy dark blonde hair and blue eyes. She is of Irish-French descent and was travelling on an Irish passport. Nora was born with holoprosencephaly and has limited balance and co-ordination. She enjoys walks with her family though has difficulty doing so. She is not independent in that she cannot manage buttons and struggles to wash her hair. At her school, she is in the process of learning to ride a bicycle (Lucie Blackman Trust, 9 Aug 2019).

What is The Dusun?

The Dusun is described as being a small nature resort with several houses located throughout their land (The Dusun). Nora and her family were residing at Sora House (Malay Mail, 10 Aug 2019). Sora House contains 1 bedroom with a double bed, 1 loft with a double and a single bed and 2 toilets.

What happened prior to her disappearance?

Nora was on holiday with her family at The Dusun resort in Malaysia, 39 miles south of Kuala Lumpur. The family travelled to Kuala Lumpur airport on 3rd August 2019. Nora, Sister (aged 12) and Brother (aged 8) travelled from London with their father Sebastian meanwhile Meabh travelled in from Singapore after visiting Sydney. (The Mirror, 9 Aug 2019). They arrived within 30 minutes of each other. It is unknown what time they arrived and/or not been reported in the media. They took a taxi from the airport to the resort (The Times, 10 Aug 2019). According to a Dutch tourist, C, the family arrived later in the evening. They played outside for a while before retiring to bed early, at 10 pm. C. also reports hearing rustling noises on the evening of Nora’s disappearance at the pool close to Sora House (AD Netherlands News, 9 Aug 2019).The family report going to bed on Saturday night just a few hours after checking in (The Mirror, 7 Aug 2019).

Children's age source: (The Daily Mail, 9 Aug 2019) (I am referring to them as Sister and Brother for their privacy as they are minors).

Who slept where on the night of 3 August 2019?

There has been confusion with regards to the sleeping arrangements at Sora House. The Mirror, 7 Aug 2019 report that Nora stayed in the upstairs [loft] bedroom next to her sister and brother. The parents, then, would have slept in the downstairs bedroom. The confusion seems to have arisen after communications from deputy police chief Che Zakaria Othman reporting that it was the window in the living hall downstairs that was left open, and not the one in the bedroom upstairs where the girl was. It was then stated her siblings were sleeping in ‘another room’ upstairs (The Sun, 7 Aug 2019).

What entrances/exits are there to the house?

There was an open window in the living room/kitchen area of the Sora apartment (The Daily Mail, 9 Aug 2019). Police officers, according to The Daily Mail, are certain “only the glass window exit was used.” Fingerprints were discovered and have been sent for examination (ITV News, 7 Aug 2019). Pictures of Sora House can be seen on the Dusuns website, throughout this thread or in some of the links throughout this to get a clearer idea of what entrances/exits there are other than the window. Police are trying to ascertain whether the window was closed/locked from inside the night of Nora’s disappearance, as the window could be opened from the outside if it were unlocked (Malay Mail, 11 Aug 2019).

What happened the morning Nora was discovered to have disappeared?

Sebastian states that he discovered Nora was missing on Sunday, 4 August at around 8am (The Guardian, 9 Aug 2019). Additionally, the Dutch tourist C claims that the next morning panic hit the resort. An old lady asked to look in C’s apartment to check whether Nora could be in the home. C alleges that 3 hours later the authorities still hadn’t arrived, causing Sebastian to be angry. The owner of the resort told him to go to the police station, otherwise, they wouldn’t come. C also states they [the tourists] searched for a while. (AD Netherlands News, 9 Aug 2019). It is believed Nora may be wearing her undergarments as that is what she fell asleep in (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019).

Where has been searched?

Over the course of the search for Nora, approximately 261 SAR personnel have been involved in the search. Tools used have included tracker dogs, drones equipped with thermal imaging camera and a voice recording of Nora’s mother asking her to come out towards the search party in case she is hiding from fear (Malay Mail, 11 Aug 2019). Locations search have included the resort area, the river and a 6km radius of the hotel into the jungle (The Independent, 9 Aug 2019). As the search has progressed, over 300+ personnel have been involved in the search and the area reduced to a 4km radius (The Irish Times, 11 Aug 2019).


Are the police investigating a potential abduction?

Yes, although it is not their primary focus, however, they are accepting information from all angles while continuing their search. They say there is no evidence to indicate Nora has been abducted (Sky News, 11 Aug 2019). Bukit Aman – the county’s equivalent to the FBI – have run background checks on all known paedophiles and criminals in the area. Additionally, police have searched the homes of staff working at The Dusun and questioned the taxi driver who dropped them off at the resort (The Daily Mail, 11 Aug 2019).


Is there any evidence?

Police Deputy Commissioner Datuk Mohamad Mat Yusop has said as of 11 August that they have “no credible leads on where she is but we will continue the search” (Sky News, 11 Aug 2019). As stated above, they say there is no evidence that points to Nora having been abducted. Fingerprints were discovered on a window that was open in the downstairs living room however there has been no announcement so far on the results (The Irish Times, 11 Aug 2019). Sniffer dogs tracking Nora picked up her scent within 4,000ft of the resort however there is no trace of her beyond that range (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019). Footprints were discovered by the Fire and Rescue Department’s sniffer dogs that are believed to belong to Nora (The Independent, 9 Aug 2019).

Have there been any sightings?

An eyewitness recounts seeing a white woman swimming ‘in a river not far away’ on the Sunday following her disappearance (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019).**

Misc helpful links:
Map of the Dusun from their website

Thanks to @Lyndaloo for noticing errors the first time round :)


**The police are unsure if this account is accurate and in my opinion – and jmo! – from the description we now have of Nora’s disabilities, I don’t think she would be able to swim without someone there to aid her.

Thank you for an excellent synopsis which given the way in which information is being drip fed, you’ve managed to put together a great timeline . May I ask that you point me to the Dutch neighbor who corroborated Nora’s presence at the resort ?
 
Both scenarios raise questions for me.
How could she go down the stairs and get out off the house exiting by a window if she has balance and movement difficulties without her siblings noticing her leaving the room first, and then the parents not hearing a sound, as they were staying in the downstairs bedroom? I find it really hard to believe that Nóra would be capable of being quiet doing all of that if she has that type of difficulties, that had to be some noise.
But then, how could someone get into the home, go upstairs with the parents staying in the downstairs bedroom, take Nóra from the bedroom that she was sharing with not one, but two siblings, carry her down the stairs and exit the house without Nóra being frightened and screaming/making loud noises, especially if she was clingy to her mother, shy and not a very trusting child torwards strangers?
None of the options makes sense, I just can't believe it. If it was indeed an abudction, why not take the easiest child of the three? Meaning, the youngest, who would be easier to carry and to contain.
My thoughts exactly and it almost mirrors in some ways, an alleged abduction of a young British girl in 2007 . Very bizzare especially with the narrative being so similar in some parts of the investigation and information derived
 
My thoughts exactly and it almost mirrors in some ways, an alleged abduction of a young British girl in 2007 . Very bizzare especially with the narrative being so similar in some parts of the investigation and information derived
Exactly. In both cases, there were children in the same bedroom that would be way easier to abduct and, in both cases, the child who goes missing is the one hardest to take out of the house. Weird stuff.
 
I’m glad police are looking into this truck on the single track road theory. Could this truck have come through the alternative gate & park in the bottom car park near Sora house? The tracker dog tracked Nóra’s scent to 100 metres from Sora where she was staying...I wonder if it was in the direction of that car park? And how many metres from Sora the bottom carpark actually is? Also the reported sighting of white woman in river by the motorcyclist....I’m assuming he must have been travelling along that same road that leads to bottom car park to have decent view of the river?

I’m not convinced about Dutch woman’s statement either, she states she heard rustling near the swimming pool underneath the house where the Quoirins were staying after 10pm after the Quoirins had all gone to bed. Sora house doesn’t have a swimming pool under it & how would she know when the family had all gone to bed? This could again be down to things getting confused in translation.
 
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New clue in search for 15-year-old Nora Quoirin

Speaking on behalf of the family, Matthew Searle of the Lucie Blackman Trust (LBT) told The Sun Online: “She would not have been able to open the window on her own, and it was found propped open”

I’ve noticed in the picture of Nora sitting next to her mother that her hands are in a clinched position. This would add credibility to the above claim.

As to the unidentified prints on the window,
They could belong to anyone who ever worked on or cleaned the cabin or any number of previous guests. Even if the make ready crew always wipe the inside of the windows, I doubt that they thoroughly scrub the trim and locking mechanism in between every guest stay. To me, the fingerprints found are irrelevant.
Yes, I noticed that her fists appear tightly clenched in all of her pictures. She probably has difficulty with small muscle skills.
As for the fingerprints, I think they may be relevant if they are fresh. If they turned out to be a match to a known criminal then of course that would be valuable evidence. I'm not sure they will get that lucky though.
I doubt a suspect would be so careless as to leave fingerprints all over a window but I guess you never know. Imo
 
After a few articles used the term 'undergarments' at least one other used the term 'nightclothes', so I'd guess it was summer pyjamas with a t-shirt or cami top + some cropped pyjama bottoms or shorts.

Just as I said ....nothing is ever clear! Now a nightdress.
 

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