Manorville Bodies: A Second Killer? Latest Remains found 02/17/2012

[Redbird]

Out of interest I did find this article that talks about the 911 call:

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/letters/letter-all-out-effort-for-shannan-1.3473520

Letter: All-out effort for Shannan

Published: January 23, 2012 5:20 PM
NEWSDAY

I do not believe this letter at all. It contradicts many other accounts of the 911 call that supposedly a small number of LE and the 911 operator have heard. I think it is spin and damage control and is as plausible as the story of Shannan running out of her jeans.

 

[Seaslug44]

And why hasn't the Gilbert family heard the 911 call??? How is that explained?

I feel your fustration. The answer as to why the family have not been given the opportunity to listen to the recording lies in the fact that unless foul play is completely ruled out, the recording is evidence that might be needed to secure a conviction. On that note, it's possible that this could still turn into a murder investigation.

If that is the case, EVERYONE (I cannot emphasize the word "everyone" enough) is a possible suspect. Sadly, the everyone category also includes her own family members (not saying that they have anything to do with her death). Until this is sorted out, they simply cannot allow possible suspects to listen to evidence.

As we all know from other cases, very often immediate family members turn out to be responsible/guilty when we least suspect it.

Now if you really want to be angry, we should be asking why the public has not been permitted to listen to a tiny snipet of the taunting phone calls to MB's little sister to see if anyone recognizes his voice.

 

[Reannan]

And why hasn't the Gilbert family heard the 911 call??? How is that explained? QUOTE]

I feel your fustration. The answer as to why the family have not been given the opportunity to listen to the recording lies in the fact that unless foul play is completely ruled out, the recording is evidence that might be needed to secure a conviction. On that note, it's possible that this could still turn into a murder investigation.

If that is the case, EVERYONE (I cannot emphasize the word "everyone" enough) is a possible suspect. Sadly, the everyone category also includes her own family members (not saying that they have anything to do with her death). Until this is sorted out, they simply cannot allow possible suspects to listen to evidence.

As we all know from other cases, very often immediate family members turn out to be responsible/guilty when we least suspect it.

Now if you really want to be angry, we should be asking why the public has not been permitted to listen to a tiny snipet of the taunting phone calls to MB's little sister to see if anyone recognizes his voice.

BBM - Not sure where you were going SS with the 'family member' stuff, but I TOTALLY agree with the fact that the killer's voice is recorded evidence. With today's technology, they could release snippets of the voice mails that would possibly result in a plethora of new clues. Maybe that is why they don't do it??? They don't want every disgruntled wife/girlfriend calling in with claims that it 'sounds like blah blah blah'. ???? No excuse for not doing it IMHO. Let us hear it. This needs to end.

 

[Seaslug44]

BBM - Not sure where you were going SS with the 'family member' stuff, but I TOTALLY agree with the fact that the killer's voice is recorded evidence. With today's technology, they could release snippets of the voice mails that would possibly result in a plethora of new clues. Maybe that is why they don't do it??? They don't want every disgruntled wife/girlfriend calling in with claims that it 'sounds like blah blah blah'. ???? No excuse for not doing it IMHO. Let us hear it. This needs to end.

Good points!!

 

[Seaslug44]

Check out this free trail guide. It could give someone information on where the most foot traffic will/will not be in the Pine Barrens.

Pinebarrens.org Free Trail Guide

 

[the quiet girl]

We are drifiting off topic here on the Manorville Bodies thread, but to complete my thoughts (and archive it for my future reference), here is a link to the post from SeaSlug that I think is probably pretty darn accurate about what happened in JB's house that night - what happened after that is unexplained IMHO.

SBM (Post #309, Thread=New Search For Shannan Gilbert Body, Found In Marsh – Thread #1 Page #13)
:
"On the tape of her 23 minute 911 call the police clearly heard an irate woman and the voices of both MP & JB attempting to be the voices of reason to calm her down. If/when we someday hear that tape, we are more than likely going to hear SG on a full blown manic rampage and then we are going to hear the calm and collective voices of both MP & JB repeating words like

"nobody is trying to hurt you"...

"all we want you to do is get in the car with Michael and go home"...

"he promises to take care of you"...

Get the idea?

I'm not saying that either man is innocent. I'm just trying to paint the picture of what the police are being forced to consider (and that is the actual facts)." .....

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - New Search for Shannan Gilbert, Body found in Marsh

I do not believe this letter at all. It contradicts many other accounts of the 911 call that supposedly a small number of LE and the 911 operator have heard. I think it is spin and damage control and is as plausible as the story of Shannan running out of her jeans.

Agreed Redbird, there have been plenty of contradicting accounts on this one article even published from a LE Officer. Which I found odd in itself.
What a shame this case has become yet alone a shame about it to begin with.

 

[Samantha Spade]

"In the house at Oak Beach, Gilbert was not about to be murdered."
Reallly? And you know this for sure because........

"Her demeanor on the tape was calm. You can hear male voices on the tape, and they are calm. At no time during this call was she desperate. From what I heard on the call, Gilbert was not speaking as if she were in danger. Despite this, she decided to run from the house and her driver, whom she relied on to take her back to New Jersey. During the investigation, I interviewed an individual who drove Gilbert to her "dates" in the past. He said she would leave houses and apartments in the same fashion as she did in Oak Beach. He described her as being a paranoid person and at times acting irrationally.

If I wrote a report like this (forget about publishing it) my boss would have had a sheet feet.


"As we all know by now, Gilbert ran to another house seeking assistance."
We do? She did? Are you a witness? Instead, it should be worded, "(insert witnesses name) reported seeing Gilbert run to another house."


"She was let into the house. When the gentleman in the house said he was going to call the police, she ran into the reeds across the street."
Really? Again, were you a witness to this? Were you there to see this gentleman open the door and Gilbert enter the residence? Or are you taking this gentleman's word as fact?

"I also interviewed this gentleman. Finally, she knocked on another door, but again ran away before the woman who lived there could find out what was going on."

Again, better to word it this way: This gentleman reported seeing Gilbert knock on another door (a house number) and then run away before the woman who lived there could .......

17 years of experience? His superior would kick his butt. This had to be approved and published for a very good reason. Either that, or this guy is going to have an attorney rip him apart.

 

[truthspider]

Are those actual quotes from the press conference?

No, it was my attempt at comedy. I was pointing out LE's ability to say nothing other than to state the extreme obvious.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Hey Sleuthers......
Well, it's been four months now that we are all waiting for the medical examiners report. Geez!!!! what gives!!!!!!

Now its well into baseball season.......Yankees, Mets - both teams doing well so far.

Maybe we will hear something.....soon......hopefully anyway.

TK

 

[Seaslug44]

"In the house at Oak Beach, Gilbert was not about to be murdered."
Reallly? And you know this for sure because........

"Her demeanor on the tape was calm. You can hear male voices on the tape, and they are calm. At no time during this call was she desperate. From what I heard on the call, Gilbert was not speaking as if she were in danger. Despite this, she decided to run from the house and her driver, whom she relied on to take her back to New Jersey. During the investigation, I interviewed an individual who drove Gilbert to her "dates" in the past. He said she would leave houses and apartments in the same fashion as she did in Oak Beach. He described her as being a paranoid person and at times acting irrationally.

If I wrote a report like this (forget about publishing it) my boss would have had a sheet feet.


"As we all know by now, Gilbert ran to another house seeking assistance."
We do? She did? Are you a witness? Instead, it should be worded, "(insert witnesses name) reported seeing Gilbert run to another house."


"She was let into the house. When the gentleman in the house said he was going to call the police, she ran into the reeds across the street."
Really? Again, were you a witness to this? Were you there to see this gentleman open the door and Gilbert enter the residence? Or are you taking this gentleman's word as fact?

"I also interviewed this gentleman. Finally, she knocked on another door, but again ran away before the woman who lived there could find out what was going on."

Again, better to word it this way: This gentleman reported seeing Gilbert knock on another door (a house number) and then run away before the woman who lived there could .......

17 years of experience? His superior would kick his butt. This had to be approved and published for a very good reason. Either that, or this guy is going to have an attorney rip him apart.

Thank you for pointing out these examples. Truth is, we seem to have a new generation of editors out there who are allowing journalists to write in this very same fashion (and the editors don't seem to mind or care). The lack of references kills me. It destroys the integrity of the data in a case like this (because we don't know what to actually regard as fact versus rumor). What makes it worse yet are the thousands of journalists who employ the cut-and-paste method of writing (without making any mention of the original author of the text being borrowed). They go as far as not even including quotation marks when quoting the words of another person.

It's so sad.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Sea Slug, I hear ya. The news media's excuse? budget cuts. Lame.

But this was a letter supposedly submitted by a detective who claimed to have YEARS (I think 17) of experience! I would think during all that time on the job he would have had the pleasure of being grilled on the stand by an opposing attorney! Most of the detectives I have seen interviewed in this case sound polished and professional. I certainly hope that newspaper verified the source! Spota will be bald in no time. To me, the wording of that letter sounded unobjective and biased. And if the letter really was written by the detective, then he gave Mari's lawyer EXACTLY the kind of reaction he was looking for. again, just my humble opinion.

 

[minazoe]

play the tapes...I for one never forget a voice once I know the person.

the forensics are taking a very long time.

 

[Seaslug44]

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[Seaslug44]

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Still no info about the man's body found this year wrapped in a carpet before the big brush fire destroyed all additional evidence?

 

[Seaslug44]

According to this article, this is the fourth set of remains in the Upton Ecological Research Reserve....hmmmm. Is this a 500 acre tract of land? I think 640 acres is one square mile. So that would mean four sets of remains in less than one square mile? http://fios1news.com/longisland/node/11129

This is the one from February I am wondering about.

 

[Seaslug44]

According to this article, the new remains appear to have been there about 5 years. That would put us in the 2007 time frame - same as Maureen Brainard Barnes and the Cherry Tattoed Victim who was found in a suitcase with a pair of pants that washed up on Mamaroneck.

"The remains were covered by debris, and judging by the growth of vegetation around the remains police estimate they have been there at least five years, according to the spokeswoman. An anthropologist has been called in to help evaluate the scene, she said. Police believe the remains to be human, she said."

http://riverheadlocal.com/breaking-news/4565-police-human-skeletal-remains-found-in-manorville-woods

Another excellent article linked and quoted.

 

[WI1987]

Still no info about the man's body found this year wrapped in a carpet before the big brush fire destroyed all additional evidence?

Probably not even related. Could be gang or organized crime related.

Has the cause of the wildfire ever released? I remember a press conference shortly afterwards where they said it "looked suspicious".

 

[mysterymom7]

I found this rather interesting info on 2 men charged with beheading/dismembering a woman (from Mastic, NY) in 2007, and leaving the head in FL.


sheriff.org/posts/post.cfm?id=e743b1af-2f3b-4d94-8fa0-180336bf2568

Mastic is just down the street from Manorville and north of Fire Island. I haven't looked into the full details, yet, but it's highly coincidental.

 

[Justiceforever]

I found this rather interesting info on 2 men charged with beheading/dismembering a woman (from Mastic, NY) in 2007, and leaving the head in FL.


sheriff.org/posts/post.cfm?id=e743b1af-2f3b-4d94-8fa0-180336bf2568

Mastic is just down the street from Manorville and north of Fire Island. I haven't looked into the full details, yet, but it's highly coincidental.

WTF is REALLY going on! I am SICK knowing that people can do this to other people! DISGUSTING! UNREAL! NIGHTMARISH!

 

[mysterymom7]

WTF is REALLY going on! I am SICK knowing that people can do this to other people! DISGUSTING! UNREAL! NIGHTMARISH!

Agreed! How many people go around doing that in the same area?