Mark Sievers Trial General Discussion Thread

[katydid23]

Love to hear what you all are thinking. It makes me wonder if it's something a juror might be thinking. We can get lost in the facts and it's possible to think you know a case and become blind to the surprises the defense can pull.

Please, I know it only takes one, so it's easy to worry. However, I don't think there's any juror that can miss the fact that Mark was involved, responsible, and the ring leader of the horrible death of Dr. Sievers. Is there going to be one or two jurors thinking otherwise?

Gee, those voice mail messages to Dr. P are so suspicious. That's just for starters. CWW and JRR knew all the info to conveniently find Teresa arriving home alone from a vacation. CWW and JRR didn't have reason to do what they did without the future payout. They didn't take anything valuable from the house. They were both hard up for money and wouldn't rent a vehicle to go kill Teresa for no reason. Love triangle or jealousy I think it's too much of a stretch.

The Medicare fraud and other things Mark was doing behind the back of the hard working Dr. Sievers should clinch it. I sure hope so.

"The Medicare fraud and other things Mark was doing behind the back of the hard working Dr. Sievers should clinch it. I sure hope so."

I hope so too. But I do worry that the defense will say ' he may have committed insurance fraud but it doesn't make him a killer.' And worse, one of the jurors might agree.

 

[katydid23]

Okay, so nobody has asked me why I wrote that was MM's second mistake. His first mistake?"
I could be a wise *advertiser censored* and say, "Taking MS as a client was his first mistake"... but that is not it. His first mistake in my opinion (and this part was very, very important to me) in front of jury that is 75% women was the disrespect an ire he directed towards Kimberly Van Waus. Beginning at 29:04 of this video, when MM misunderstood the amount of her training on blood patterns, he immediately (and snidely IMO) started, "Didn't you swear to tell the truth....blah, blah, blah." I was greatly offended by his aggressive tactic to intimidate an educated, confident, well spoken and beautiful female professional. (He needs to remember this case is about a bald headed man beating an educated, confident, well spoken and beautiful female professional to death!) Even worse, he NEVER EVEN OFFERED AN APOLOGY(!!!), when she calmly told him the transcript of her depo, should have been two separate sentences. Of course she was the ultimate professional and calm on the stand.... I am probably close in age to the majority of the jurors. MM, at that moment IMO, came across as a bully to many of the jurors.

I totally agree with you. He sounded like a pompous fool.

In the very beginning of cross he tried to question her 'experience and authority' and was asking her where she studied and what she studied, in a very rude demeaning tone---and she calmly listed off her lengthy, admirable educational resume'. It made him look stupid and her look well educated.

Then when I saw what his big point was, what it was he was trying to get at, which is what you describe above. IT WAS HIS MISTAKE. LMAO...He misunderstood that it was two separate seminars.

'Nevermind'...that's all he could say after that. What an idiot.

 

[katydid23]

I missed that piece--I knew that Mark called the Doctor the morning of the killing when Dr. Seviers didn't show up for work, but what were the conversations regarding the night before? When I heard the voicemail from the day of the killing, he did say that if Dr. P couldn't stop by the house that he would call his mother which answered a question in my mind of why he didn't call his mother, but didn't answer why he wouldn't have reached out to her first. Very odd. What were the previous voicemails about?

I think he didn't reach out to his mother first because he didn't want her to be the one to see the dead body. JMO

 

[ChicagoChic]

Have we heard testimony from her office staff? Didn't Mark say that he was receiving messages (texts or voicemails) indicating that his wife hadn't shown up for work that day?

 

[IQuestion]

I totally agree with you. He sounded like a pompous fool.

In the very beginning of cross he tried to question her 'experience and authority' and was asking her where she studied and what she studied, in a very rude demeaning tone---and she calmly listed off her lengthy, admirable educational resume'. It made him look stupid and her look well educated.

Then when I saw what his big point was, what it was he was trying to get at, which is what you describe above. IT WAS HIS MISTAKE. LMAO...He misunderstood that it was two separate seminars.

'Nevermind'...that's all he could say after that. What an idiot.

KATYDID bbm I have to agree with your post 100%, go figure. Vigorous representation of one's client shouldn't include being a condescending jerk...unless he really is trying to alienate the jurors.
From resource reading:
"A lawyer should demonstrate respect for the legal system and for those who serve it, including judges, other lawyers and public officials."

 

[Oregonmama]

Have we heard testimony from her office staff? Didn't Mark say that he was receiving messages (texts or voicemails) indicating that his wife hadn't shown up for work that day?

Sandra and Frank who worked in the office have not testified yet. They will...….

 

[Oregonmama]

Synergizer Bunny? I don't know anything about a Bolin disappearance. Who was Bolin? This thing is very layered.

Ronnie Bollin in MO was murdered and fingers are pointed at CWW... Mark maybe knew abut that as well, jmo. This whole case is layered with crap . Medicare fraud also comes into play in this case

 

[Oregonmama]

Dr. P's testimony was definitely credible and important. Turns out, Dr. P's testimony carries a lot of weight in this trial. He made it clear that he wasn't a close friend of Mark's. I don't think he liked Mark much. (Mark might have been more chummy with Dr. P's wife, but he didn't call the wife.) The doctor said he didn't do any "guy things" with Mark. They didn't call each other like that or pop over to each other's houses. So how weird is it that Mark just happens to call Dr. P those particular times?

VERY WEIRD!

IMO, Mark knew the night before that he was going to set Dr. P up to be the one to find a dead Teresa.[/QUOTE

Mark chose Dr P for a reason. He chose everyone for his personal agenda. Mark also tried setting up his mother, Bonnie in re to the house alarm, jmo

 

[Curious Me]

Ronnie Bollin in MO was murdered and fingers are pointed at CWW... Mark maybe knew abut that as well, jmo. This whole case is layered with crap . Medicare fraud also comes into play in this case

BTW, thank you for all your hard work to keep us informed.

Layered in crap describes it perfectly!
I can't imagine the Ronnie history allowed in though. Not saying it wouldn't fit in, but the poor jurors heads must be protected from too much.

How much will Mark's attorney imply that CWW is lying? Is he going to try to deny it was Mark who asked CWW to kill his wife? Is that whole rude, unnecessary no polygraph questioning part of his plan to wash Mark clean of all involvement? I'm hanging on the edge of my seat with this trial.

 

[ChicagoChic]

BTW, thank you for all your hard work to keep us informed.

Layered in crap describes it perfectly!
I can't imagine the Ronnie history allowed in though. Not saying it wouldn't fit in, but the poor jurors heads must be protected from too much.

How much will Mark's attorney imply that CWW is lying? Is he going to try to deny it was Mark who asked CWW to kill his wife? Is that whole rude, unnecessary no polygraph questioning part of his plan to wash Mark clean of all involvement? I'm hanging on the edge of my seat with this trial.

I will be very interested to hear the defense in this case.
I think that the defense could have a strong case for CWW acting "alone" (alongside Rodgers of course ) if Mark didn't have the burner phone with CWW....what else were those being used for? Maybe that is where the implication of a secret sexual relationship comes into play or perhaps something illegal but less sinister such as the billing issues?

 

[Oregonmama]

I think he didn't reach out to his mother first because he didn't want her to be the one to see the dead body. JMO

IMO, Mark didn't reach out to his mother to discover Teresa's body because she already had a part in Mark's play (Bonnie's part and her DNA was all over the house due to her taking care of the pets when Mark and the family were in CT. She also didn't set the alarm either per Mark's request on the night T was arriving back home. She was having a hard time setting it because CWW and JRR already tampered with it when they first came into the house to check things out) . Mark handpicked everyone in his wife's murder for a reason. Marked loved his roleplaying, jmo.....

 

[Oregonmama]

We all need to remember that we have had access to all the discovery. The jurors do not know everything we know. That is why JRR didn't get the sentence we all hoped for. That jury didn't have all the info exposed to them. Sidenote: I will be on and off on here this week because I have so much Thanksgiving prep to do for tons of family and friends coming over and I sub Tuesday at a school so I hope to jump in a few times this week. If anything big happens at the trial, please tag me!

 

[jypsijemini]

I'm looking forward to the evidence that will suggest that Teresa was preparing to leave Mark. Will they bring forward Teresa's friends, family and colleagues to confirm that this was the case?

It's the only thing that makes sense. Mark certainly would have benefitted far more from her if she was alive and married to him than he would have from her life insurance policy, as noted by the defence. She had a TV show in the making. She had a large and successful medical practice of which she was the only doctor. His role as office administrator and manager of their medical practice relied heavily on her presence and participation.

It is only through her death and permanent absence that he has been able to seek out a new doctor. The practice is now in his hands.

Had Teresa left him, she would have taken everything. Royalties for her TV program. The rights to their medical practice (or she would have left it entirely and taken the clients with her). And she would have received custody of their children. They were swingers - but one cannot swing without a partner to offer the other couple. His entire life revolved around his wife.

There was no plausible reason for CWW to want to kill Mark's wife. There was no plausible reason (other than being a complete bloodthirsty psychopath) that JRR would have wanted to participate in Teresa's murder. They were asked to participate by the only person who wanted Teresa dead: Mark Sievers. And he promised to pay them off. They were both in need of money.

The cash money found in the Siever's home could have easily been used as evidence of a burglary - but Mark didn't tell them about that. In all likelihood, Mark could have had this money returned to him through insurance had it been targeted by CWW and JRR as part of their 'burglary'. They were meant to stage the scene and they did so woefully and poorly.

 

[TTF14]

MM's fury and indignance is SO misplaced, especially his scrunchy-face rage about the lie detector stuff. I hope Mrs. Mummert talked some sense into him this weekend and told him to tone down the asshattery.

 

[IQuestion]

We all need to remember that we have had access to all the discovery. The jurors do not know everything we know. That is why JRR didn't get the sentence we all hoped for. That jury didn't have all the info exposed to them. Sidenote: I will be on and off on here this week because I have so much Thanksgiving prep to do for tons of family and friends coming over and I sub Tuesday at a school so I hope to jump in a few times this week. If anything big happens at the trial, please tag me!

OMAMA, let me be the first to wish you a smooth Thanksgiving event! (Lots of gravy solves any crisis) Many newbies don't know how many late nights you have spent keeping so many of us informed. Besides the access to discovery, we have found info through public court records, public social media and verified insiders, too. I'll be traveling by the end of the week and wonder what the court schedule will be....
Ironically, the "tiny needle of doubt" I had for MS flew out the window when the voice mails to Dr.P were played in court. OMG....

 

[flgrl017]

But does it matter, legally, which one swung the hammer?

If they both broke into the house, with plans to rob the home, then if someone dies in commission of that crime, they are both held responsible for the murder. JMO

Agree, it was just a thought as to why the one jumpsuit didn’t have blood. Both are guilty of murder for sure.

 

[Curious Me]

JRR did call himself "Jimmy the Hammer". I believe he could get cocky-stupid and all proud-frenzy vicious. He was money hungry, and even though he had a real job, he jumped at the opportunity for big money. I don't doubt that he did pick up that hammer and tell CWW it was going to be Teresa's destiny.

I saw on the second day CWW's hand kept going up to his shoulder as though it hurt. I hate what he supposedly said, due to his bad shoulder, that he wasn't able to hit hard enough. He knew Teresa human to human, and yet had no qualms to take on that job they were hired to do.

JRR and CWW bonded over being criminals willing to do lots of things for money. Oh, but of course CWW would draw the line at carrying a gun across state lines -- he wants us to know that for some crazy reason. Anyways, MOVING ON, LET'S NAIL MARK FOR HIRING THEM! This never would have happened without Mark setting it in motion.

 

[BeachSky]

Dr Petrites, who found her. I thought he was great..a very important witness. Everything he was telling made it so transparent that MS used him. Dr P thought the night before phone call from MS was weird. Can you imagine what this guy has been through realizing that it was planned for him to find her.
MS was using ( understatement) everyone to get what he wanted.
It’s really sickening how he milks that last drink out of his cup & last pen squeeze before the deputy takes him to the back. Hurl worthy that he thinks he can beat this...

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

I thought that was really a weird comment I didn't understand that piece of CWW's testimony--when he said that he kicked the dog bowl and that she "could see him"---what difference would it make if she saw him or not if he was there to kill her? Its not like she could report him to authorities once she was dead. I thought that was a really weird comment
from him. I also think that his commentary that he thought that she mistook him for her husband Mark was weird--I am sure that she could still discern her husband from him even though they did have a twinsy thing going. If Mark hadn't called been communicating with them via a burner phone, I think that the case could be made that CWW and Rogers were there to rob him and killed Dr. Seviers when she unexpectedly came home while CWW was in the garage admiring Mark's motorcycle.

Those are some very clear thinking questions you're asking. I wish you could trip him up on the stand by asking him those questions. He uses these literary devices to tell a story...he was admiring that motorcycle type stuff.

I've heard enough about those darn dog dishes. He did that in his testimony at JRR's trial. I believed him more in that trial, but I'm on to him now. I think he adds senseless details to make it seem more truthful. In the case of the tripping on the dog bowls, he seems to use it to show he's really a gentle guy who was only going to choke hold her or break her neck, but the dog bowls made him use the hammer. But really, like you said, so what if she saw his face?

I hope the focus gets back on Mark. Jurors should be able to accept so far the burner phones, the tower data, and how it all comes together after Mark went to CCW's wedding. That's just the beginning, but they need to keep it on Mark.

MOO oh and BBM

 

[TrueCrimeAddict55]

Dr Petrites, who found her. I thought he was great..a very important witness. Everything he was telling made it so transparent that MS used him. Dr P thought the night before phone call from MS was weird. Can you imagine what this guy has been through realizing that it was planned for him to find her.
MS was using ( understatement) everyone to get what he wanted.
It’s really sickening how he milks that last drink out of his cup & last pen squeeze before the deputy takes him to the back. Hurl worthy that he thinks he can beat this...

MOO

I'm with you - Dr. P was such an important witness and very credible. I keep thinking about those voicemails. Such a dumb move on MS's part to leave them, yet he thought he was smart to do so. The voicemail asking the doctor to check on her irritates me to no end - laughing and making jokes when he knew that most likely she was dead. He is a sick and evil person.

Forget Florida prison - I want all 3 of them thrown into an alligator infested fenced in swamp in the everglades.