Mark Sievers Trial General Discussion Thread

[Gardenista]

There are some more files located in "Batch 4":
2016.02.03 Batch 4 Audio/Video Files - Sievers Discovery Documents

However, here is a list a sleuther compiled with all audio/ video files, that were publicly released:
1 TScomplete.docx

I can share the google links to the audio/video files you like to check out, unless someone else has them handy. As I do not have all links ready to go, I have to pull up the individual file and create the link, just let me know which ones. I will be back tomorrow afternoon and will gladly assist.

-Nin

This is perfect, TY!

 

[flgrl017]

The answer could be is jr didn’t actually kill her. The plan went awry when cww kicked the dog bowl and cww is the only one that struck her and got blood on him.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Actually, Teresa didnt know him really well according to all the discovery. In fact, she couldn't stand him, imo. It was mainly Mark and the daughters who spent alot of time with CWW. Teresa was busy working all the time when the visits happened. Teresa did not enjoy Mark's Missouri roots (friends and family) at all... jmo

That's what I thought that I read; namely, that Teresa couldn't stand CWW. I mean, who wouldn't find it absolutely creepy that two grown men work very hard to look like identical twins? Wouldn't you wonder why they were doing so? I can see them doing that in high school; however, I would think that they would have outgrown it once they matured.

I don't know, but I would have asked my husband why his friend and he looked like twins and if they planned on exchanging identities.. Something was up with that. Maybe, it was part of Mark's warped plan to get Teresa attracted to CWW and to have a threesome with the "two twins."

Also, I find it quite strange that AW remains married to her admitted murderer. What is up with that? What do her kids think? I think that any normal woman would think that if he could commit murder of his friend's wife with a hammer, he could do it again to her, at any given point and time. I personally would have divorced him as soon as I discovered he was one of the murderers. Then, again, I would never have dated or married him!

Is AW that desperate for a man? I mean, this is a guy who says that he has five previous felony convictions. Now, he has a murder rap. It's not like he has any money, either. This woman has children and grandchildren to consider.

I also don't know what is going on with Taylor S; however, I hope that she was or is able to get JRR to sign away any claim to their child. I commend her for going to the police and telling them what she knew. This young lady may not have made the best decisions throughout her life; however, she apparently has some ethics and morals. That's more than I can say for AW who lied for her husband and continues to stay married to him.

I also wanted to add that just because LE is helping TS with some living expenses doesn't make her any less credible. She was very helpful to police. She is young and probably has never been involved in anything of this magnitude. I can tell you that I myself would probably be in a state of shock talking to police if I personally was dating a suspected murderer and had a baby with him. I would be scared for my life, thinking that I would be the next to go.

I guess that I have rambled enough for one post. All of the above is my opinion, of course.

 

[ChicagoChic]

The answer could be is jr didn’t actually kill her. The plan went awry when cww kicked the dog bowl and cww is the only one that struck her and got blood on him.

I didn't understand that piece of CWW's testimony--when he said that he kicked the dog bowl and that she "could see him"---what difference would it make if she saw him or not if he was there to kill her?Its not like she could report him to authorities once she was dead. I thought that was really a weird comment from him. I also think that his commentary that he thought that she mistook him for her husband Mark was weird--I am sure that she could still discern her husband from him even though they did have a twinsy thing going. If Mark hadn't called been communicating with them via a burner phone, I think that the case could be made that CWW and Rogers were there to rob him and killed Dr. Seviers when she unexpectedly came home while CWW was in the garage admiring Mark's motorcycle.

 

[TTF14]

I didn't understand that piece of CWW's testimony--when he said that he kicked the dog bowl and that she "could see him"---what difference would it make if she saw him or not if he was there to kill her?Its not like she could report him to authorities once she was dead. I thought that was really a weird comment from him. I also think that his commentary that he thought that she mistook him for her husband Mark was weird--I am sure that she could still discern her husband from him even though they did have a twinsy thing going. If Mark hadn't called been communicating with them via a burner phone, I think that the case could be made that CWW and Rogers were there to rob him and killed Dr. Seviers when she unexpectedly came home while CWW was in the garage admiring Mark's motorcycle.

He probably just didn't want Teresa to leave this earth knowing what a he is.

 

[TTF14]

One of the commentators on CTV yesterday called them the Bobsy Twins and the three of them the Apple Dumpling Gang (for bumbling things so badly). Cracked me up!

 

[Scalex]

Dr Petrites's v-mails the night before and morning of his discovery of the body were in his words, "odd" and "bizarre". I may have missed some things along the way since I didn't know of the v-mail from the night before and hadn't heard the actual audio from either one until yesterday. I hope they stick in the minds of the jury since they just reek of MS and his coniving ways.

Also, I recall discussions a few years ago on this web site regarding LE getting the 'chance tip' from Illinois. I believe the tipster got the original info while getting her hair done at a friend's or relative's house or something to that effect. I don't recall if the name was brought up during JRR's trial or if it has been brought up in MS's trial as of yet. Is the name of that person protected or perhaps irrelevant to the case? Did I miss this part?

They said the name in this trial. Rose Gruner if I remember correctly

 

[Marysmith]

To me y’all this trial leaves a lot of gaps so far... I am worried about a conviction honestly...

 

[No it's not]

Here is the audio/video Master File I compiled. I will also post it in the media thread.

MS audio video files index.pdf

 

[Curious Me]

snipped...Also, I find it quite strange that AW remains married to her admitted murderer. What is up with that?...

Now I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read something about AW staying married because she can still get part of CWW's SS Disability checks until he is formally convicted and then they'll stop. Maybe someone will fill us in more about it.

SBM/BBM

 

[dizzychick]

I wonder if he has ADHD. The man is utterly incapable of being still.

and bipolar probably a borderline as well, drugs would not surprise me either and wonder if that is where large sums of money went.

 

[Marysmith]

and bi= polar probably a borderline as well, drugs would not surprise me either and wonder if that is where large sums of money went.

Agree about borderline possibly! He has a personality disorder for sure! He’s a clear narcissist.

 

[Katharine]

Besides the odd voicemails, Dr. P. received which he himself was surprised at the first one, the fact that Mark wanted to know if it was a burglary (since that is what Mark S. wanted CWW to do) in his phone conversation with Dr. P. I thought that was real interesting vs not asking much about his wife.

I am a bit worried about this trial. The reasonable doubt and one juror. Much as I dislike saying this, MS really looks good compared to all of his past photos.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

IMO, he did better last time than this time.

I agree! I just watched him last night and he seemed just "off". His demeanor, the way he spoke -- snively and whiny. Hope Taysho does better. She really needs to be credible.

 

[Curious Me]

Love to hear what you all are thinking. It makes me wonder if it's something a juror might be thinking. We can get lost in the facts and it's possible to think you know a case and become blind to the surprises the defense can pull.

Please, I know it only takes one, so it's easy to worry. However, I don't think there's any juror that can miss the fact that Mark was involved, responsible, and the ring leader of the horrible death of Dr. Sievers. Is there going to be one or two jurors thinking otherwise?

Gee, those voice mail messages to Dr. P are so suspicious. That's just for starters. CWW and JRR knew all the info to conveniently find Teresa arriving home alone from a vacation. CWW and JRR didn't have reason to do what they did without the future payout. They didn't take anything valuable from the house. They were both hard up for money and wouldn't rent a vehicle to go kill Teresa for no reason. Love triangle or jealousy I think it's too much of a stretch.

The Medicare fraud and other things Mark was doing behind the back of the hard working Dr. Sievers should clinch it. I sure hope so.

 

[Marysmith]

Love to hear what you all are thinking. It makes me wonder if it's something a juror might be thinking. We can get lost in the facts and it's possible to think you know a case and become blind to the surprises the defense can pull.

Please, I know it only takes one, so it's easy to worry. However, I don't think there's any juror that can miss the fact that Mark was involved, responsible, and the ring leader of the horrible death of Dr. Sievers. Is there going to be one or two jurors thinking otherwise?

Gee, those voice mail messages to Dr. P are so suspicious. That's just for starters. CWW and JRR knew all the info to conveniently find Teresa arriving home alone from a vacation. CWW and JRR didn't have reason to do what they did without the future payout. They didn't take anything valuable from the house. They were both hard up for money and wouldn't rent a vehicle to go kill Teresa for no reason. Love triangle or jealousy I think it's too much of a stretch.

The Medicare fraud and other things Mark was doing behind the back of the hard working Dr. Sievers should clinch it. I sure hope so.

Thanks for this Curious Me- it makes me feel better. Sure hoping for a first degree conviction.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

The answer could be is jr didn’t actually kill her. The plan went awry when cww kicked the dog bowl and cww is the only one that struck her and got blood on him.

Although I find CWW disgusting and capable of murder I dont see him having the wherewithall to savagely strike TS 17 times. I think JRR did most of it. Unfortunately JRR's jury wasn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, perhaps because the hammer he used wasn't found, and TS blood wasn't found on any of his personal items. I believed TaySho's testimony and perhaps JRR's jury did not. Sure hope her testimony is believed this time around.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Think I got this right.

Out-of-town family and friends were all gathered at Mark's mother's.
CK, a friend of Mark's, who used to go steady with CWW in high school was in town. CWW and his wife who doesn't like CK were there. But then, Mark has to leave all the loved ones gathered there to support poor Mark. He has to take the girls to the beach and talk to Mrs. P who is thinking of quitting law school. He's gone for five hours.

If you can find CK's statement in our document section to LE you will find all of the info you just posted.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Now I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read something about AW staying married because she can still get part of CWW's SS Disability checks until he is formally convicted and then they'll stop. Maybe someone will fill us in more about it.

SBM/BBM

I didn't realize that CWW was receiving SSDI. Was he working under the table?

In any case, you most likely hit the nail on the head. Birds of a feather flock together, and this could very well be the reason that AW is staying married to CWW.

I found this info on benefits. It doesn't seem right that the taxpayers have to continue to foot the bill for people like this. Can I Keep My Disability Benefits If I Go To Jail?

 

[TTF14]

I didn't realize that CWW was receiving SSDI. Was he working under the table?

In any case, you most likely hit the nail on the head. Birds of a feather flock together, and this could very well be the reason that she is staying married to him.

I found this info on benefits. It doesn't seem right that the taxpayers have to continue to foot the bill for people like this. Can I Keep My Disability Benefits If I Go To Jail?

People on SSDI can still earn a little money above board, so if he was only getting $100/month it would not affect his SSDI. Not that I think he's past gaming the system!

Last night's Dateline was about a murder that took a lot of years to solve. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't watched, but the person who was finally convicted is in prison and still receiving a 72K a year pension!