MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #6

[carbuff]

The Binghamton man is the only one I could find who's even remotely close to the description of the body within about five states.

I went to grad school at what was then SUNY-Binghamton. Our apartment was only a couple of miles where this guy went in. The Chenango river there is deep and fast at the slowest of times, and in the spring when the water's high -- my guess is he would have been into the Susquehanna before the bystanders got done calling 911.

A friend in upper PA says the Susquehanna has been very high, near flooding, so that might have carried him past sand bars and so forth that normally would have stopped him. Still it's a long long way for a body to float.

I'm guessing it's him, however.

 

[georgiajean]

For those waiting for the next press release from MSP, here is their website.
http://www.mdsp.org/

They don't have a twitter feed that I can find. But if you click on the "media" link on the upper right, you'll get a list of Press releases.

 

[abstr]

Yeah, aka Hell House. They tore it down several years ago. What I think is interesting about that is it overlooks the Patapsco River. The Patapsco State Park is out there and a known dumping ground for bodies. I know they searched there based on a tip and I'm going to say most likely that tip was based on knowledge of that fact only. Not inside info just a citizen like me that is aware of these things. I had a friend as a teenager strangled and dumped there several years ago. The Patapsco State Park is much closer from where PB was staying with her sister than where she was found out in Harford County.

I was shocked she was found so far north. I was thinking that the searches of Patapsco State Park or the west side of Baltimore would find her. Harford County is a distance and quite a different world from the RR Plaza area of Baltimore where PB's sister lived.

 

[abstr]

I looked at some maps and info on the river and it is described as rapidly moving at about 10 miles an hour so I think so. One body was found north of the dam and the other south with one having gone through the dam. The dam has been opened numerous times since PB disappeared so possibly she is the one that went through? The male being the one found north and from NY makes sense to me. Then again if it turns out that PB had not gone through the dam I think that would indicate she was not put there in December or was weighted down or in a container and recently released and floated.

WBAL in Baltimore reported that she was found North of the dam. They were stating that she had to have been dumped North of the dam because she couldn't have gone North thru the dam.

 

[BACH50]

I tried to read some of the postings on JFPB's FB page, but it is too much drama.
SS from what I could see she only posted once. I wish she would come here, maybe she is amongst us?

I then decided to go over to the Pat Brown's FB page, and on 4/21 around 3:52pm
she posted on her wall about how on 12/28 MJ was seen struggling with a heavy container out of the apt. and up the stairs. What was supposedly stated to be in the container was electrical cords of some sort? Very interesting, I remember earlier on this site someone briefly mentioned that MJ was seen carrying somethings out that appeared to be large items.
If he carried PB out in a container, then what did he do to her? Did he drug her and then take her to the house near the well to have his way with her? If so he is really a sick animal. Because if he did anything to her at the apt. why was there no evidence?
Also how could he have known for sure that KB was not coming to pick PB up at the planned time? Wouldn't KB have seen something had she gotten there at her planned time?
This is getting sicker and crazier by the minute?

 

[cluciano63]

Not to make anything about me...but I already felt weird when we heard P was found in the Susquehanna as it runs right thru the town I grew up in...which is the same place this man jumped from (if it turns out to be him) and I worked at a hotel that is located right where the Susquehanna meets the Chenango river...kind of gives me a chill.

 

[georgiajean]

The Justice page is not private to members, so the lurking is over.
I hope they are able to do good work.

And I sincerely hope SS finds her way here, if she needs a place for support. I continue to hold JS and PB's family from Monroe in my heart.

 

[less0305]

This is a good theory and a good fit for what we know. The dogs indicate this as well. The whole moving out story an excuse if witnesses told LE they saw something of that nature being carried out from the apt. to the car/truck.

I agree - moving story could cover a car/truck backed up to the doorway and could explain storage tubs or suitcases or anything a body could be concealed in.

 

[Cubby]

CNN transcripts from NG's show on the 21st:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/21/ng.01.html

 

[Falconi]

I tried to read some of the postings on JFPB's FB page, but it is too much drama.
SS from what I could see she only posted once. I wish she would come here, maybe she is amongst us?

I then decided to go over to the Pat Brown's FB page, and on 4/21 around 3:52pm
she posted on her wall about how on 12/28 MJ was seen struggling with a heavy container out of the apt. and up the stairs. What was supposedly stated to be in the container was electrical cords of some sort? Very interesting, I remember earlier on this site someone briefly mentioned that MJ was seen carrying somethings out that appeared to be large items.
If he carried PB out in a container, then what did he do to her? Did he drug her and then take her to the house near the well to have his way with her? If so he is really a sick animal. Because if he did anything to her at the apt. why was there no evidence?
Also how could he have known for sure that KB was not coming to pick PB up at the planned time? Wouldn't KB have seen something had she gotten there at her planned time?
This is getting sicker and crazier by the minute?

My thoughts exactly. I'm very leery of some things that I've seen online, some very duplicitous, shady moves are being made right before our eyes.

I predict that when all of the arrests are handed out, it will not be just the "usual suspects."

I believe that I might just stick with my db questions for a while.

We really can't blame LE for holding information close to the vest, and conversely, I understand why Miley closed the FB group page.

JUSTICE FOR PHYLICIA SIMONE BARNES!

 

[Falconi]

IMO, db is has some SERIOUS explaining to do:

WHY did she not have her business with mj settled before her teenage sister came to visit on Dec 17? Why wasn't he already moved out, or better yet-why didn't db move?! She fairly quickly decided to move out since PB's disappearance...

Why didn't db take off of work while PB was visiting? db paid for the flight to Bmore for PB, so if she didn't have the paid time off to take, she really have been better off to reschedule. Everyone would-especially PB.

WHY didn't db take PB to work with her that day?Even family member Bo. Br. on the FB prayer page said that PB was "too tired" to get up and go with db on the morning of the 28th. Why?

If the relationship between db and mj was really over, then why did he feel comfortable enough to be over there on the 27th partying? In fact, it wasn't just he alone, that would've been awkward enough, it was he AND other family members. Now, (thinking as a guy) if you're on the outs with your lady, you're really not gonna risk a fallout by bringing Tom, Dick, and Harry with you for a visit. If it were just mj over there, it would lend more credence to the "breaking-up" scenario. He would have been over there, trying to get back in good terms with db. Well, guess what?! He was already on good terms with db! IMO- You mean to tell me that mj and db are in the middle of a break up, she comes home from a hard working day with her little sister, finds a "party" going on and there's no beef? It was business as usual over at that apt that day, and the only reason things have changed is because of the disappearance of PB.

WHY did db need PB to "open up" to her? PB opened up by contacting these folks on FB. They sure didn't look for her. PB was bright-eyed and eager to belong to that "family." Is "open up" a euphemism for wanting PB to let go of her sexual inhibitions, her innocence? Why did db furnish her little sister with drugs and alcohol and thus set the stage for atrocity?

Why didn't db call JS and ask if she'd spoken to PB? Did db call SS? The calling around to ask if PB had been heard from should have happened WAAAAY before 5 or 6, when db came home from work.

WHY oh WHY didn't either db or kb come to pick up PB? They haven't spoken with her all day, this teen-left in their/db's charge, yet there's not the thought to check on her? Surely, db's place of employment would've ok'd her going to check on her little sister, whom she'd been bringing to work. Someone at db's job may have even asked where was PB that day? What in the world happened to KB? Was there ever any intention of going over there? Me thinks not.

WHY did/does db have to hide behind rb? rb forbade JS from speaking with db about the events leading up to PB's disappearance. Why is that? db may tell the world that LE doesn't want her to speak publicly about the case, but the very LEAST that db could do is to offer explanation to PB's own mother!

WHY did db hide the fact that a 21 year old male cousin of mj was living at the apt also?

WHY doesn't db shout from the mountaintops that mj and his crew are responsible for PB's disappearance? This is her SISTER!! Let the chips fall where they may!

WHY is db Twitter friends with mj's lil brother/lbc to this very day?!!!


WHY do ANY of these folks think that they are going to get away with the disappearance, now criminal homicide of Phylicia Simone Barnes?!
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[Cubby]

Respectfully, I am sure LE has specifically requested certain information the B family is privy to not be released to the public. If for nothing else than to maintain the credibility of any future trial(s). The last thing any of us would wish for is anything to impair a trial.

I honestly believe DB, KB and the rest of the B family was blind to exactly how dangerous and destructive MJ and his circle were. How could they not be having socialized with them for 10 years or so? They were too complacent around these people and that spilled over to PB, sadly and unfortunately (likely resulting in the events) costing her life.

I just pray LE is able to solve this one. Perhaps now that PB has been located people are talking. I do wonder if JS will file wrongful death suit.

 

[Cubby]

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/cr...efocuses-on-finding-out-what-happened-and-why

The above article indicates Phylicia's classmates have taken the reward funds off the table, understandably. The funds the classmates donated were for her safe return........ Though, the article says only about 2000 remains in the fun, meaning those funds donated from Crime Stoppers. I wonder what happened to the 5000? (unsure of the exact amount) offered by the PI? Did those funds go to the person who found her?

I hope LE clarifies whatever reward money remains to solve this case.

 

[georgiajean]

Remembering back to the Peas show where PB's classmates were interviewed. One of PB's friends received a phone call on the 28th, asking if she'd heard fron PB that day.
DB called one of PB's friends but did not call JS. Amazing.

 

[BACH50]

IMO, db is has some SERIOUS explaining to do:

WHY did she not have her business with mj settled before her teenage sister came to visit on Dec 17? Why wasn't he already moved out, or better yet-why didn't db move?! She fairly quickly decided to move out since PB's disappearance...

Why didn't db take off of work while PB was visiting? db paid for the flight to Bmore for PB, so if she didn't have the paid time off to take, she really have been better off to reschedule. Everyone would-especially PB.

WHY didn't db take PB to work with her that day?Even family member Bo. Br. on the FB prayer page said that PB was "too tired" to get up and go with db on the morning of the 28th. Why?

If the relationship between db and mj was really over, then why did he feel comfortable enough to be over there on the 27th partying? In fact, it wasn't just he alone, that would've been awkward enough, it was he AND other family members. Now, (thinking as a guy) if you're on the outs with your lady, you're really not gonna risk a fallout by bringing Tom, Dick, and Harry with you for a visit. If it were just mj over there, it would lend more credence to the "breaking-up" scenario. He would have been over there, trying to get back in good terms with db. Well, guess what?! He was already on good terms with db! IMO- You mean to tell me that mj and db are in the middle of a break up, she comes home from a hard working day with her little sister, finds a "party" going on and there's no beef? It was business as usual over at that apt that day, and the only reason things have changed is because of the disappearance of PB.

WHY did db need PB to "open up" to her? PB opened up by contacting these folks on FB. They sure didn't look for her. PB was bright-eyed and eager to belong to that "family." Is "open up" a euphemism for wanting PB to let go of her sexual inhibitions, her innocence? Why did db furnish her little sister with drugs and alcohol and thus set the stage for atrocity?

Why didn't db call JS and ask if she'd spoken to PB? Did db call SS? The calling around to ask if PB had been heard from should have happened WAAAAY before 5 or 6, when db came home from work.

WHY oh WHY didn't either db or kb come to pick up PB? They haven't spoken with her all day, this teen-left in their/db's charge, yet there's not the thought to check on her? Surely, db's place of employment would've ok'd her going to check on her little sister, whom she'd been bringing to work. Someone at db's job may have even asked where was PB that day? What in the world happened to KB? Was there ever any intention of going over there? Me thinks not.

WHY did/does db have to hide behind rb? rb forbade JS from speaking with db about the events leading up to PB's disappearance. Why is that? db may tell the world that LE doesn't want her to speak publicly about the case, but the very LEAST that db could do is to offer explanation to PB's own mother!

WHY did db hide the fact that a 21 year old male cousin of mj was living at the apt also?

WHY doesn't db shout from the mountaintops that mj and his crew are responsible for PB's disappearance? This is her SISTER!! Let the chips fall where they may!

WHY is db Twitter friends with mj's lil brother/lbc to this very day?!!!


WHY do ANY of these folks think that they are going to get away with the disappearance, now criminal homicide of Phylicia Simone Barnes?!
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I think that MJ was partying at the house on the 27th to prove a point to DB that he still had rights to the apt. Remember she said on Peas that his name was on the lease, and that legally he did not have to leave until the 31st.

I am not sure if she knew this prior to PB coming there, and had informed JS of this or not? It appears to me that JS knew nothing of the sort, especially the fact that others stayed there as well.

DB may have also said on Peas that she did take off at some point but not the entire time that PB was there? (not sure if this is correct)

MJ appeared to have some type of control over the situation that was going on with DB and him. He most certainly was throwing his power around on the night of the 27th, and once again on the 28th. Maybe DB just ignored it knowing that in a few days she would hopefully have the apt. all to herself?

Still her choices were not too careful, she appeared to act like a person with a broken heart not thinking clearly, and PB got caught in the middle.

I know that LE has way more info than we have here and it is just a matter of time before things change with this case. However we will never know everything because they have to be careful so that they can charge them correctly and that the trial is not a mis-trial.

 

[Cubby]

Remembering back to the Peas show where PB's classmates were interviewed. One of PB's friends received a phone call on the 28th, asking if she'd heard fron PB that day.
DB called one of PB's friends but did not call JS. Amazing.

I'm going to guess DB wanted to make sure she call everyone she could possibly think of before calling JS. It just happened that JS called DB prior to DB finishing her round of calls confirming PB was not with someone. I would have likely done the same. I doubt DB beleived she would not find PB - so she was likely thinking along the lines of not worrying JS unnecessarily prior to having confirmed PB was in fact missing.

jmo

 

[Cubby]

Also, I think if this were a stranger abduction someone would have called and reported seeing a young girl forced into and such and such a time. That LE has received no credible leads to what happened tells me those in the know are staying quiet and covering for each other.

Also, I think it will take a little more time for the ME to release any info they found, such as indication of water in the lungs or not - and COD. Hopefully they are able to find that info.

 

[georgiajean]

I think that MJ was partying at the house on the 27th to prove a point to DB that he still had rights to the apt. Remember she said on Peas that his name was on the lease, and that legally he did not have to leave until the 31st.

I am not sure if she knew this prior to PB coming there, and had informed JS of this or not? It appears to me that JS knew nothing of the sort, especially the fact that others stayed there as well.

DB may have also said on Peas that she did take off at some point but not the entire time that PB was there? (not sure if this is correct)

MJ appeared to have some type of control over the situation that was going on with DB and him. He most certainly was throwing his power around on the night of the 27th, and once again on the 28th. Maybe DB just ignored it knowing that in a few days she would hopefully have the apt. all to herself?

Still her choices were not too careful, she appeared to act like a person with a broken heart not thinking clearly, and PB got caught in the middle.

I know that LE has way more info than we have here and it is just a matter of time before things change with this case. However we will never know everything because they have to be careful so that they can charge them correctly and that the trial is not a mis-trial.

DB told JS that MJ would be out before PB arrived on the 18th. That they were breaking up and he would be moved out by then.

Clearly MJ fought this, and made a point of staying until the last days of his last month. Like a controlling man might do. And DB, being the cowed controlled woman she had been, did not do anything. She didn't tell JS, and cancel the trip. She didn't make other arrangements for PB. She just continued on, hoping for the best.

She did not mention on the Peas show that she had taken any time off. I assume she had a few days of for Christmas, though.

 

[Cubby]

DB told JS that MJ would be out before PB arrived on the 18th. That they were breaking up and he would be moved out by then.

Clearly MJ fought this, and made a point of staying until the last days of his last month. Like a controlling man might do. And DB, being the cowed controlled woman she had been, did not do anything. She didn't tell JS, and cancel the trip. She didn't make other arrangements for PB. She just continued on, hoping for the best.

She did not mention on the Peas show that she had taken any time off. I assume she had a few days of for Christmas, though.

Truthfully, we don't know if there were ever really plans for MJ to be out by the time PB arrived on the 18th. For all we know that could have been a story DB told JS if she believed JS would not allow PB to visit if she had known MJ was not moving out to the end of the month. Thus far, there has been nothing to indicate any proof of MJ having planned to move prior to the end of the month. Plus it has basically been proven DB apparently believed JS was too restrictive with PB. I can easily see DB saying ya ya ya just to pacify JS but knowing there was no truth or plans to follow JS's requests.

jmo

 

[cluciano63]

I'm sure LE knows whether or not Phylicia drowned; it is very easy to determine water in the lungs. What they may have to wait many weeks for is toxicology results, which I am guessing they will do in this case.

I do hope they can determine a COD though; if it is undetermined, it is very difficult to make a case for homicide.